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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
CS: Are you aware of any studies proving that hydroxychloroquine does work ? In vivo ones, and not from Didier Raoult's team.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
Here in Turkey they are using it for all cases of covid(mandated by the Department of Health), but there has been some backlash from certain associations(doctor groups) regarding it's use. It is a very controversial subject here as well. Some say it works, some say it doesn't, and some say it does more harm than it does good. It is impossible to take a stance unless you are on the field testing it yourself.Directo wrote:CS: Are you aware of any studies proving that hydroxychloroquine does work ? In vivo ones, and not from Didier Raoult's team.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
Directo wrote:CS: Are you aware of any studies proving that hydroxychloroquine does work ? In vivo ones, and not from Didier Raoult's team.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
This one. Be sure to add zinc for true effect.
There's of course other treatments. The "controversy" behind HCQ is political as is almost everything in medicine.
This entire hoax is to justify centralized power to oversee the world. Vested interests (Anthony Fauci included) know that HCQ works, but they've got a tax payer funded vaccine to push with billions at stake.
Under emergency powers justification, if there is no "official effective treatment" available, they can justify an emergency implementation of vaccines.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
CausticSymmetry wrote:shaftless wrote:How did you make that backwards N? It looks so Russian lol
Да, конечно, русский.
Helps to throw off fake-"fact"-checkers
Something that really caught me off guard this year was the level that the controllers of mainstream have systematically
scrubbed the Google-based algorithm search engines of information that opposes their narrative.
In the past, they just used AstroTurf and character assassination sites to "discredit" alternative viewpoints.....
Now they just flat out delete them.
Even various so-called "privacy" search engines, such as Duckduckgo use Google algorithms, so they are now useless too.
It is truly an information war. Ultimately it shows the level of fear that their plans will be derailed.
Long as I'm here. Dr. Andrew Kaufman on PCR test: "100 percent error rate."
Just in case it has been taken down, it is also at Bitchute.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
But this one seems to be in vitro. Nothing on human ?CausticSymmetry wrote:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
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Directo wrote:But this one seems to be in vitro. Nothing on human ?CausticSymmetry wrote:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/
On humans - Low dose even and lower mortality.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0924857920303423?fbclid=IwAR3XXwLb7tpA9UgY-gK4l4wYFBlrnG3uTKa8chWJknmSTGvunhQL0Gj91DQ
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Yet another large scale observational study shows a 30% decrease in mortality in 3,451 hospitalized patients
Not even early use - late treatment
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0953620520303356?fbclid=IwAR38jzQ7QpP3m7LgrShT31ORLUPd8JR_uzIKfYM7POAXqnTo54o0OcP2e4o
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Bacterial Pneumonia Caused Most Deaths in 1918 Influenza Pandemic Implications for Future Pandemic Planning
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
CausticSymmetry wrote:https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/bacterial-pneumonia-caused-most-deaths-1918-influenza-pandemic?fbclid=IwAR3N1cJdioDTCXbH3TFyGzjIhi4LTw7BOXQwRa9qVIdbCFArnzqVJ13OOf8
But isn't this just more mainstream medicine BS about virus/bacteria as cause of illness, and how we are going to protect ourselves from the big bad pathogens?
What does any of it have to do with maintaining true health
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
Evidence of a bacterial infection goes against the belief that some mysterious virus caused the Spanish flu.
So what would be the indication of a bacterial infection? It's just means the clean up crew (bacteria) are having to eat away at the toxic overload.
The biggest misconception I believe that people have is that they "catch" a disease. In reality, the bacteria were already resident inside of us, although they may have changed shape/form to accommodate a more toxic environment.
In the case of upper respiratory pneumonia, this dis-ease responds to high-dose vitamin C or Vitamin D as a preventative.
To aid the bacteria, it helps to have more circulating antioxidant enzymes to purge the actual toxins.
So what would be the indication of a bacterial infection? It's just means the clean up crew (bacteria) are having to eat away at the toxic overload.
The biggest misconception I believe that people have is that they "catch" a disease. In reality, the bacteria were already resident inside of us, although they may have changed shape/form to accommodate a more toxic environment.
In the case of upper respiratory pneumonia, this dis-ease responds to high-dose vitamin C or Vitamin D as a preventative.
To aid the bacteria, it helps to have more circulating antioxidant enzymes to purge the actual toxins.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
CausticSymmetry wrote:Evidence of a bacterial infection goes against the belief that some mysterious virus caused the Spanish flu.
So what would be the indication of a bacterial infection? It's just means the clean up crew (bacteria) are having to eat away at the toxic overload.
The biggest misconception I believe that people have is that they "catch" a disease. In reality, the bacteria were already resident inside of us, although they may have changed shape/form to accommodate a more toxic environment.
In the case of upper respiratory pneumonia, this dis-ease responds to high-dose vitamin C or Vitamin D as a preventative.
To aid the bacteria, it helps to have more circulating antioxidant enzymes to purge the actual toxins.
All of that I'm on board with.
And right, we don't "catch" a disease! Nothing is floating around in the air waiting to pounce on us!
How I explain it to people, or try to.
"Do flies cause garbage? They are feeding on the decaying food.
Similarly, bacteria feed on diseased tissue. They are found in disease conditions, but correlation is not causation.
When you detox and build up your immunity, they retreat."
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
This is actually very interesting, and probably a very good explanation.
I believe SARS-COV2 is also bacterial pneumonia in most cases, or at least in some. What triggers it remains my question.
I have a colleague who tested months after being symptomatic on suspicion that he might have mycoplasma pneumonia. His mycoplasma specific antibodies were elevated. That said, I think this gets us closer to the truth and merge the theory and practice with a story that holds water.
I wonder if there will be another lockdown when the sun disappears from our skies, and numbers due to lower immunity start to increase.
I wonder if there will be a change in acceptance criteria of what economic damage worth from death count perspective.
I believe SARS-COV2 is also bacterial pneumonia in most cases, or at least in some. What triggers it remains my question.
I have a colleague who tested months after being symptomatic on suspicion that he might have mycoplasma pneumonia. His mycoplasma specific antibodies were elevated. That said, I think this gets us closer to the truth and merge the theory and practice with a story that holds water.
I wonder if there will be another lockdown when the sun disappears from our skies, and numbers due to lower immunity start to increase.
I wonder if there will be a change in acceptance criteria of what economic damage worth from death count perspective.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
Thank you CS for all this information. Very interesting.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
Zaphod wrote:This is actually very interesting, and probably a very good explanation.
I believe SARS-COV2 is also bacterial pneumonia in most cases, or at least in some. What triggers it remains my question.
I have a colleague who tested months after being symptomatic on suspicion that he might have mycoplasma pneumonia. His mycoplasma specific antibodies were elevated. That said, I think this gets us closer to the truth and merge the theory and practice with a story that holds water.
I wonder if there will be another lockdown when the sun disappears from our skies, and numbers due to lower immunity start to increase.
I wonder if there will be a change in acceptance criteria of what economic damage worth from death count perspective.
What puzzles me is that if it is bacterial pneumonia, then why can't they prescribe antibiotics and treat it ?
As for what is to come in september and onwards. Definitely yes, they'll try another lockdown as the cases of "covid"(likely common cold and bacterial pneumonia) increase which they will as they always do in fall and winter. I think they'll somehow play that "2nd wave" card, and there is a chance it might hold up sadly.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
There's probably never been a time when the "controllers" and/or policy makers have been so 'transparent' to the public in making constant contradictions while moving the goal post to fulfill whatever agenda their task masters assigned them.
Really hoping they won't do another lock-down, and if they do, it'll do exactly the opposite if their intention was to help people. No vitamin D will just hasten flu-like symptoms plus once the vaccines are rolled out, they can use the injured people as "proof" that this thing is 'real.'
In my area, there's been a "mysterious" coin shortage (planned switch over to digital payments?)
Or does the agenda go deeper as in some 5G installations potentially hazardous to humans which will in theory cause
CV19 symptoms, to create a panic, while creating another bank bail out 2.0?
And will this maybe further justification for CV19 certificates to monitor "safety" check all forms of travel?
I really want to be dead wrong....in the back of the mind is a deep concern that "papers" or digital passes will be required to enter various places.
If it comes to that, will people revolt to just accept it as "normal" ?
Really hoping they won't do another lock-down, and if they do, it'll do exactly the opposite if their intention was to help people. No vitamin D will just hasten flu-like symptoms plus once the vaccines are rolled out, they can use the injured people as "proof" that this thing is 'real.'
In my area, there's been a "mysterious" coin shortage (planned switch over to digital payments?)
Or does the agenda go deeper as in some 5G installations potentially hazardous to humans which will in theory cause
CV19 symptoms, to create a panic, while creating another bank bail out 2.0?
And will this maybe further justification for CV19 certificates to monitor "safety" check all forms of travel?
I really want to be dead wrong....in the back of the mind is a deep concern that "papers" or digital passes will be required to enter various places.
If it comes to that, will people revolt to just accept it as "normal" ?
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
The problem I see in all this is that our gov't's (I'm Canadian and Trudeau is our fearless leader) are so incredibly inept at practically everything they do that how can they possible hope to get their plan off the ground? And since this thing is happening globally then all of a sudden all these world gov'ts are secretly co-ordinated and backing one another and having some agreement to share all this new-found power in this brave new world that they are creating when they barely can get along with each other under normal circumstances? Boy, they sure got high hopes.
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I think it is pretty apparent at this point that this is Bank bailout 2.0 on a global scale. World economy was spiraling down, as some people foreshadowed last year, or before. But now global elite can point their fingers at Covid as the reason(in reality it may have only accelerated it) for economic collapse/reset and the average citizen will buy it(the same way they buy everything else).
Cashless society is 100% coming. Surveillance grid will be upgraded, China style constant monitoring with facial recognition and digital ID's. The micropchip conspiracy has been made public long ago, so they'll definitely do something else which will achieve the same thing. These will probably happen next year or the year after.
They'll tie all this to climate change somehow(another global "threat") and move on to the next stage riding that wave. Which in turn will allow them to control the food and energy supplies, determining who gets to eat what and how much.
Obviously these will be propagated to the public as either necessities or improvements over what we have. The "global reset" is what it really is about and it is pretty worrisome. Especially for people who aren't privilaged citizens or system shills.
Cashless society is 100% coming. Surveillance grid will be upgraded, China style constant monitoring with facial recognition and digital ID's. The micropchip conspiracy has been made public long ago, so they'll definitely do something else which will achieve the same thing. These will probably happen next year or the year after.
They'll tie all this to climate change somehow(another global "threat") and move on to the next stage riding that wave. Which in turn will allow them to control the food and energy supplies, determining who gets to eat what and how much.
Obviously these will be propagated to the public as either necessities or improvements over what we have. The "global reset" is what it really is about and it is pretty worrisome. Especially for people who aren't privilaged citizens or system shills.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
I exposed myself publicly in the scientific community, with a claim that lockdown is depressing immune system function, and trigger low vitamin D levels.
I was attacked by people I should have known better, and supplement with vitamin D, and practice lockdown. The most stupid answer was to expose my skin through the window.
The more I decompose the sun story, is far beyond the vitamin D synthesis, it is also about energy. UV supply energy to aromatic amino acids, as neurotransmitters, which have known function in boosting immunity. Sunlight is able to synthesise in blood Nitric Oxide which is very toxic to virus, bacteria etc.
Being outside means having in 90% better air quality, even in the industrialized world, due to household toxins in furniture, dust, or leachables of household electronics, or mold from carpets, etc. Being outside will in most places reduce the burden from EMFs, even if there is 5g a non-shielded house will likely be the worse environment.
I say it is not about science, it is about politics and propaganda to make story compelling just enough, so agenda is accomplished. In case this is not planned, and this is an accident as a result of economy driven motives, or else, living as we know is indeed doomed, as i can easily see the swiss cheese resulting in harm.
I was attacked by people I should have known better, and supplement with vitamin D, and practice lockdown. The most stupid answer was to expose my skin through the window.
The more I decompose the sun story, is far beyond the vitamin D synthesis, it is also about energy. UV supply energy to aromatic amino acids, as neurotransmitters, which have known function in boosting immunity. Sunlight is able to synthesise in blood Nitric Oxide which is very toxic to virus, bacteria etc.
Being outside means having in 90% better air quality, even in the industrialized world, due to household toxins in furniture, dust, or leachables of household electronics, or mold from carpets, etc. Being outside will in most places reduce the burden from EMFs, even if there is 5g a non-shielded house will likely be the worse environment.
I say it is not about science, it is about politics and propaganda to make story compelling just enough, so agenda is accomplished. In case this is not planned, and this is an accident as a result of economy driven motives, or else, living as we know is indeed doomed, as i can easily see the swiss cheese resulting in harm.
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Re: Dr OFFERS $5000 FOR PROOF THAT THE CV19 EXISTS
Zaphod wrote:I exposed myself publicly in the scientific community, with a claim that lockdown is depressing immune system function, and trigger low vitamin D levels.
I was attacked by people I should have known better, and supplement with vitamin D, and practice lockdown. The most stupid answer was to expose my skin through the window.
The more I decompose the sun story, is far beyond the vitamin D synthesis, it is also about energy. UV supply energy to aromatic amino acids, as neurotransmitters, which have known function in boosting immunity. Sunlight is able to synthesise in blood Nitric Oxide which is very toxic to virus, bacteria etc.
Being outside means having in 90% better air quality, even in the industrialized world, due to household toxins in furniture, dust, or leachables of household electronics, or mold from carpets, etc. Being outside will in most places reduce the burden from EMFs, even if there is 5g a non-shielded house will likely be the worse environment.
I say it is not about science, it is about politics and propaganda to make story compelling just enough, so agenda is accomplished. In case this is not planned, and this is an accident as a result of economy driven motives, or else, living as we know is indeed doomed, as i can easily see the swiss cheese resulting in harm.
Well stated.
Through a window, not only are we deprived of nitric oxide, but also windows are not ideal for UVB radiation, they tend to be blocked by glass.
I find it especially disturbing that science labs here in Commie-4-nia are acquiescing to 1.83 meters apart (6 feet), anti-social distance nonsense. Limiting elevator (lift) capacity, stores and restaurants literally counting the number of customers to keep track to ensure "maximum" capacities.
Apparently, this non-existent virus can mysteriously only "hurt" us if we linger longer than 15 minutes or approach someone, despite wearing a face diaper (mask) within 6 feet, even if we ourselves are wearing a face diaper.
Also, those that believe in a virus, will admit that this non-living entity will "die" if exposed to UV light or in high temperatures.
Meanwhile in Sweden, this thing is over.
The Center for Disease Creation (CDC) updated their site showing embarrassing low numbers of alleged CD19 deaths.
When it all breaks down, just older people with preexisting health conditions seems to be the reality of the situation.
I was in a science lab last week. There was a narrow corridor to fit through--so they (the people there) back up against the wall to let me pass through, so that the 1.83 meter "rule" would not be violated.
This whole scenario is like having livestock in closed fences. We are human livestock.
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Couldn't you guys step outside for some sun and UV rays during lockdown? Heck, all essential stores like grocery and liquor and pharmacies were all open during our lockdown. Anybody could go almost anywhere.
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Hmmm, are viruses alive? Well, they do replicate their DNA in host cells. Passing on your DNA is a hallmark of life.
Hmmm, how can strong UV light kill viruses? Well, it can damage DNA which makes it impossible to replicate rendering it sterile....basically.
Can viruses linger in the air waiting to pounce on us? Well, smog does. But I'm not sure if they can piggyback on aerosol particles suspended in the air for very long. I'm more worried about heavier loads of virus in droplets expelled by coughs and sneezes. Tiny amounts of virus floating around are probably handled by your immune system pretty easy. But those larger droplets expelled from lungs probably has huge amounts of virus. This is where masks can help since they stop the larger droplets.
Hmmm, how can strong UV light kill viruses? Well, it can damage DNA which makes it impossible to replicate rendering it sterile....basically.
Can viruses linger in the air waiting to pounce on us? Well, smog does. But I'm not sure if they can piggyback on aerosol particles suspended in the air for very long. I'm more worried about heavier loads of virus in droplets expelled by coughs and sneezes. Tiny amounts of virus floating around are probably handled by your immune system pretty easy. But those larger droplets expelled from lungs probably has huge amounts of virus. This is where masks can help since they stop the larger droplets.
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shaftless wrote:Couldn't you guys step outside for some sun and UV rays during lockdown? Heck, all essential stores like grocery and liquor and pharmacies were all open during our lockdown. Anybody could go almost anywhere.
Yeah, but did they go anywhere.
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shaftless wrote:Hmmm, are viruses alive? Well, they do replicate their DNA in host cells. Passing on your DNA is a hallmark of life.
Hmmm, how can strong UV light kill viruses? Well, it can damage DNA which makes it impossible to replicate rendering it sterile....basically.
Can viruses linger in the air waiting to pounce on us? Well, smog does. But I'm not sure if they can piggyback on aerosol particles suspended in the air for very long. I'm more worried about heavier loads of virus in droplets expelled by coughs and sneezes. Tiny amounts of virus floating around are probably handled by your immune system pretty easy. But those larger droplets expelled from lungs probably has huge amounts of virus. This is where masks can help since they stop the larger droplets.
UV kills virus very fast, that said property have hard time contaminate you.
Don't you think the droplets have easier ways of staying in your nasal cavity, being fought by a strong immune reaction (as intended), as opposed to submicron aerosolized particles that go straight into your lungs? Where is evidence that aerosols can not infect by quantity, knowing there is exponential curve driving replication?
If mask worked as desired, why dentist (despite asymptomatic) will have a strong immune system reaction to adenoviruses?
https://europepmc.org/article/MED/8186035
It was that they wore mask wrongly, or wrong mask, or what?
The idea of masks protecting against submicron virus infection is at best probabilistic exercise, not as communicated as such that with P=yet unknown. It is pathetic if you think of consequenes, if there is not at least P=>50%. People tend to misbihave once they think they are protected.
Using antibacterial filtering masks, which I believe not all have also a legal basis (quality) to be on the market is streching the limits of having benefit, from the risks which is evident, if wearing mask more than 10h a day, or so.
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0141076815583167
Of course, you can find opposing evidence, but please do check the sponsor.
Again if virus is a threat then it not only when being in water dropplets, but also when being found on foods, and property. I can agree that it no fun of surviving of virus to survive if it can not replicate, but nobody said never to wash your foods or groceries to not contaminate your home.
I believe wearing masks is about symbol compliance and averaging population... It is a uniform that costs 0.05$ in manufacturing but does a lot of work in keeping people from exercising their motives.
https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h694
When my dog licks me all over my face, i get hit with corono viruses, it is only because it is not SARS COV2 or my immunity can handle it?
I would just love that this nonsense stops and people get treatments that are known to work, but i guess everybody already knows that vaccine needs to take care of the problem.
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Yes there are opposing views on masks. But nobody says that masks alone stop all vapour coming from your mouth. It just slows the flow down considerably. And with social distancing this can make all the difference of catching the virus or not.
Here's a video that shows how masks reduce the flow from your mouth...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tp0zB904Mc
And here's video that shows how tiny aerosols go right thru it. Mind you, he probably is using some force blowing that vape. More so than just breathing or talking...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPCgh4UkAU
Still, masks at least offer some protection compared to no mask.
Here's a video that shows how masks reduce the flow from your mouth...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Tp0zB904Mc
And here's video that shows how tiny aerosols go right thru it. Mind you, he probably is using some force blowing that vape. More so than just breathing or talking...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrPCgh4UkAU
Still, masks at least offer some protection compared to no mask.
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Did you know that there are 3 types of UV light? UV-A, UV-B and UV-C. That's the first time I ever heard of that lol. Apparently only C is the most effective against germs and viruses. Not only does it disrupt their DNA it's the short wavelength that produces a lot of energy and kills quickly by burning them I guess. Similar like how our skin burns from a prolonged suntan at the beach. UV tanning beds can do the same thing if overdone.
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And will this maybe further justification for CV19 certificates to monitor "safety" check all forms of travel?
I really want to be dead wrong....in the back of the mind is a deep concern that "papers" or digital passes will be required to enter various places.
If it comes to that, will people revolt to just accept it as "normal" ?
This will be most likely the future :
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/covid-19-passport-app-health-travel-covidpass-quarantine-event/
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