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Post  CausticSymmetry Sun Oct 24, 2021 4:42 am

* NEW SCANDALOUS INFORMATION *
* DATA FABRICATION - COVID-19 *
* SCANDAL IN SCIENCE *

New evidence on the fabrication of the alleged sar-cov-2 genome has been released to the public. The creators of the first alleged genome of sars-cov-2 have listed about 300,000 contigs in their scientific publication. However if we put their “raw reads” data into a bioinformatics tool we will get about 30,000 contigs. That is 10 times less than the number stated in the publication. This is evidence of data fabrication.
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Post  imprisoned-radical Sat Oct 30, 2021 2:50 pm


I am a “very” strong believer in brahmacharya.  All that energy flows out of you when it can instead be turned upward.  You’ll develop a natural understandings on certain subjects that others may never learn in their life.  For instance, one can be a brahmacharya for a couple years with no study and is equivalent of a buddhist monk who spent 10 years in study they say.  This is accurate.  Or one can use it for other uses like Tesla did.  

If there is one thing I would recommend to master in life that is to spend years as 100% chaste life including in thought.  To study and practice brahmacharya.

There are many good videos on youtube that are hidden on the topic of brahmacharya but here is one.  https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0mFFl7xJLT0

When you understand this, you can see how a lot of societies problems is caused by this.  And the loosening of sex always occurs before the downfall of every civilization.

It is what past religions have tried to explain.

Thanks. I have completely quit using pornography, my only regret being that I ever discovered it in the first place during my late teenage years. But quitting masturbation and sexual thoughts altogether will be even more difficult. Usually end up falling into the routines in order to drown out other painful thoughts and emotions. For now, I will just focus on doing it much less than usual. It has been difficult though.

CS and JDP and others, do you have an opinion on EMF radiated by laptops and cell phones? As mentioned in my recent posts, I have been trying to identify the cause of sudden worsening of my mental health during the last 6 months. After reviewing my notes I found that I bought a refurbished macbook pro from eBay earlier this year (model is from 2012). From what I read, older models emit more EMF than newer models.

From what research I have done, there is emerging research from the last several years that EMF can negatively impact mental health. Could spending a lot of time near devices be a factor in worsening of mental health, and other health problems?

Maybe I should buy a protective case for it, and make sure to turn off my laptop and other devices when not using them.

I am very concerned now, I am experiencing recurrent PTSD (retraumatization) from some early childhood events. Sometimes it is so severe that it feels like I am fully re-experiencing the events in full, and the impact has been crippling. Desperate to resolve the problem. It looks like I was experiencing flashbacks to the events 1-2 weeks after buying the laptop. And the same thing happened last year when I briefly borrowed a macbook pro from a friend.

I'm going to work from home more often so that I can avoid public spaces and crowds. Maybe that will help.

With mental health there is a self-perpetuating component as increased stress will actually cause further volume loss in important brain structures. If I can just turn the tide on the stress, then I think I can reverse this problem.

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Post  shaftless Sat Oct 30, 2021 3:48 pm

Switch to a desk top computer with tower and separate keyboard for a while and see how you feel. How often do you use your cell phone? Texting should be ok but if you hold it close to your head for talking then maybe there might be an affect even though they say that phone emf levels are still low. Do you have a land line instead? How's your sleep? If things get worse take a break from all electronics for a while if possible.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:31 am

*The first scientific evidence in 2021 that viruses do not exist* - Page 12 Urgent10
Urgent message for United States: COVID-19 is FALSIFICATION-BASED.

SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE FOR FALSIFICATION: Raw data imported into the database is not raw data but severely filtered and manipulated data because the database contains 12 times fewer contigs than stated in the scientific publication "A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in China".

Since the reference alleged sars-cov-2 genome (MN908947) is falsification-based, this means that the following covid activities / measures are falsification-based:

1. Testing
2. Vaccination
3. Wearing masks
4. Covid passes
5. All experiments in virology dealing with the alleged sars-cov-2 genome MN908947.

In short, the entire alleged covid-19 pandemic is based on FALSIFICATION.

For these reasons, I inform the leaders of the United States,
Senator Richard Shelby Senator Tommy Tuberville Lisa Murkowski Captain Mark Kelly Senator Kyrsten Sinema John Boozman Senator Tom Cotton Senator Dianne Feinstein Senator Alex Padilla Senator Michael Bennet Senator John Hickenlooper Senator Richard Blumenthal Senator Tom Carper U.S. Senator Chris Coons
Senator Rick Scott Senator Jon Ossoff Senator Reverend Raphael Warnock Senator Mazie K. Hirono Senator Brian Schatz Senator Mike Crapo Senator Jim Risch Senator Tammy Duckworth
Senator Dick Durbin Senator Mike Braun Senator Todd Young Senator Joni Ernst Senator Chuck Grassley
Senator Jerry Moran Senator Mitch McConnell Senator Rand Paul Senator John Kennedy U.S. Senator Bill Cassidy U.S. Senator Susan Collins Senator Angus S. King, Jr. Senator Ben Cardin Senator Edward J. Markey U.S. Senator Elizabeth Warren Senator Gary Peters Senator Debbie Stabenow Senator Amy Klobuchar Senator Cindy Hyde-Smith
All people in the United States have been subjected to anti-scientific measures. I urge you to immediately abolish all covid measures based on MN908947.

I inform you that all virologists base their experiments on MN908947. However, no virologist in the world has fulfilled his basic scientific duty in terms of the necessary control experiments to eliminate errors and self-deception.
Also, information on genome fabrication MN908947 is available: https://wissenschafftplus.de/.../the-end-of-corona-a...
More info:

1. A new coronavirus associated with human respiratory disease in China
link: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7094943

2. Raw data generated in the falsification process: https://trace.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/Traces/sra/?run=SRR10971381

3. Tutorial for proving falsification: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOoy-RWzikA

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Post  shaftless Sun Oct 31, 2021 4:07 pm

Were they filtered becuz they were contaminated with human DNA? I found this from one of those links....

"The SRA runs have been pre-filtered by NCBI to remove contaminating human sequence."

Like WTF??? How does that happen? Don't they wear gloves or masks when handling those samples?

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Post  shaftless Sun Oct 31, 2021 5:01 pm

Did these guys ever go on the rampage and shake the world up with their discoveries yet? They said that "we are coming". That was almost 2 months ago.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y3N0FvwrY96S/

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Post  CausticSymmetry Mon Nov 01, 2021 4:00 am

shaftless wrote:Did these guys ever go on the rampage and shake the world up with their discoveries yet? They said that "we are coming". That was almost 2 months ago.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/Y3N0FvwrY96S/

A good video.

This is a 100 year information war between real science and corporate science.

Most people have little notion that science has just as much corruption as congress, parliaments and agencies of government.

In fact, if you want to understand politics, the halls of academia is loaded with it.

Careers can be destroyed by those at the top, who decide who plays by the rules. They (in general) detest and
despise scientists who present findings that will undermine the highly profitable status quo.

The service corporation info dropped has been known for a long time, but very few people understand this.
If enough did, there would be a revolution tomorrow.

Unfortunately, it often takes "science" 100 years before it can right a wrong.

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Post  Jdp710 Tue Nov 02, 2021 5:01 pm

imprisoned-radical wrote:

CS and JDP and others, do you have an opinion on EMF radiated by laptops and cell phones? As mentioned in my recent posts, I have been trying to identify the cause of sudden worsening of my mental health during the last 6 months. After reviewing my notes I found that I bought a refurbished macbook pro from eBay earlier this year (model is from 2012). From what I read, older models emit more EMF than newer models.

From what research I have done, there is emerging research from the last several years that EMF can negatively impact mental health. Could spending a lot of time near devices be a factor in worsening of mental health, and other health problems?

Maybe I should buy a protective case for it, and make sure to turn off my laptop and other devices when not using them.

I am very concerned now, I am experiencing recurrent PTSD (retraumatization) from some early childhood events. Sometimes it is so severe that it feels like I am fully re-experiencing the events in full, and the impact has been crippling. Desperate to resolve the problem. It looks like I was experiencing flashbacks to the events 1-2 weeks after buying the laptop. And the same thing happened last year when I briefly borrowed a macbook pro from a friend.

I'm going to work from home more often so that I can avoid public spaces and crowds. Maybe that will help.

With mental health there is a self-perpetuating component as increased stress will actually cause further volume loss in important brain structures. If I can just turn the tide on the stress, then I think I can reverse this problem.

I tried to respond yesterday but lost my post, ugh.  So trying again.  But yes, very much EMF’s can cause all sorts of psychological problems.  All the anxiety and depression in millennials and gen z is greatly caused by it.

I had a lot of experience with EMF from laptops and such in 2013.  My mom had massive hemorrhagic stroke.  Blood/Iron in brain so made emf sensitive.

We had to stop using laptops.  Desktops aren’t any better but they are further away from the brain so in that aspect was a little better.  But the solution was an ipad.  They used mobile processors.  Meaning they aren’t running behind the scenes all these applications and stuff like laptops and desktops.  All these dual core processors and such cause multiple things running at the same time.  Causes all sorts of erratic EMF’s.  Pulses.  

And in the scientific literature it’s the pulsing that is what’s so damaging.  Cell phones when making a call also pulse but people aren’t making phone calls like was predicted decades ago so the health effects aren’t noticed.  But if people were, you’d have seen the health of many people destroyed.  

However, laptops and desktops are right up there in damaging effects because they pulse like a cell phone and they are relatively close to the brain with a laptop.  A “very” strong magnetic field too.  I have a cheap EMF detector and you can see this happen.  

Sometimes, where you sleep can also be bad.  For instance say a heater or AC kicks on, that powerful magnetic field can actually travel to the wiring in the room where you are at.  For example, your head can be right up tothe wall as you sleep and then when sleeping the heater or AC kicks on.  Or the alarm clock can be a source.  The reason why I mention this is EMF’s tend not to be a big deal for most people but the reason why there wasn’t a predictedexplosion of ill health that was predicted is it was found as we sleep, our bodies heal from the damage of EMF’s.  But if we are exposed to EMF’s while sleeping, that’s a huge problem.  Can cause all sorts of ailments after enough years.  Hope that makes sense.  

You can turn off the fuses at night to where you sleep as again, it’s the emf exposure where you sleep that is a big issue.  And emf’s can travel through the electrical lines in your room.  That is a big help for some people.


Anyway, the solution instead of using a laptop was to use an ipad.  We even bought a laptop with a mobile processor as that produces low emf’s but the laptop was very slow onso just stuck with ipad.  We also hooked up ipad to ethernet as well.  If you decide to stick with wifi, 2.4 ghz is better than 5 ghz for health.  You can also buy a sleeve for the router to reduce emf’s.  Info on this link https://www.radiationhealthrisks.com/why-5-ghz-wifi-routers-dangerous/

I’m not sure if the new ipads are bad with emf’s though because this was all back in 2013 but a really cheap emf detector should be able to show all this.  

I can’t say anything about those protective cases because we never tried them so no real world experience.

Also, don’t use ipad while it’s plugged in. Increases the EMF exposure on laptops wuite a bit and try to sit away from those AC/DC adapters too.

Hope this helps and hope you get well.

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Post  Live forever Wed Nov 03, 2021 12:43 am

Good article below, helps to explain how 'alternative' ideas still can reinforce the central premise.

Arguments that don't help us

https://yvymaraey.blogspot.com/2021/10/arguments-that-dont-help-us.html

Studies shows that asymptomatic people are not infectious...

—But the symptomatic people are, right? Those who seek to liberate the asymptomatic people reinforce the idea of ​​contagion that is central to this story. A study shows that asymptomatic patients are not contagious...just as another study could perfectly well demonstrate that symptomatic patients are not contagious either. But who is going to carry out that study?
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Post  shaftless Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:26 am

Kinda makes sense to me. Symptomatic people are sneezing and coughing and wiping their runny noses all the time and then touching doorknobs and newspapers and stuff. Other people come along and touch those objects too and get the virus on their hands and then scratch their nose or rub their eyes allowing the virus in. It's bad enuff to be a victim of someone's sneeze which happened to me many years ago.

Summertime, middle of july and I was in a store asking someone who worked there a question about two feet away from me and he unexpectedly sneezed. It was a fairly big sneeze and he didn't try to cover up or turn away. It came on pretty fast. I wasn't covered with snot or anything but I felt the droplets on my face. A few days later I was laid up in bed with a bad cold or flu.....IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY!!!!!

Bastard.

So yeah, asymptomatic people keep their germs to themselves unless they throw it out at everyone.

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Post  Live forever Wed Nov 03, 2021 2:47 am

shaftless wrote:Kinda makes sense to me. Symptomatic people are sneezing and coughing and wiping their runny noses all the time and then touching doorknobs and newspapers and stuff. Other people come along and touch those objects too and get the virus on their hands and then scratch their nose or rub their eyes allowing the virus in. It's bad enuff to be a victim of someone's sneeze which happened to me many years ago.

Summertime, middle of july and I was in a store asking someone who worked there a question about two feet away from me and he unexpectedly sneezed. It was a fairly big sneeze and he didn't try to cover up or turn away. It came on pretty fast. I wasn't covered with snot or anything but I felt the droplets on my face. A few days later I was laid up in bed with a bad cold or flu.....IN THE MIDDLE OF JULY!!!!!

Bastard.

So yeah, asymptomatic people keep their germs to themselves unless they throw it out at everyone.

Likewise, I've shared drinks, been around coughing people etc, kissed. etc and nothing has happened.

Did you read the article? Some good points to consider.
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Post  shaftless Wed Nov 03, 2021 1:41 pm

Did you see that video at the bottom? I could not understand what he was talking about around the 23 second mark near the beginning. He says that the vaccine instructs the cell to process protein S (I think he means the spike protein). Then he's at a loss as to how we expel this protein to the outside as a contagion to infect other people (51 sec mark). Huh? That's not what I thought how the vaccine works. We produce the spike protein in our cells so that our immune cells will recognize it as a foreign entity to battle...when the real thing (the whole virus) comes along. We don't cough up that spike protein. And it doesn't infect anybody on the outside. Weird.

More confusion. He states that he has read all the virus literature from the very beginning...from 1912 upward (2:34 sec mark). This NCBI publication states that virology began as far back as 1898....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7150144/

"The history of virology can be traced as the personalities involved have described their concepts and published their experimental results. Although infections we now know as, e.g., rabies, yellow fever, smallpox, etc. were clinically evident in early human history, the initial isolation of individual viruses and their assignment to specific diseases did not occur until about 1898, 120 years ago, a proverbial drop in the bucket of time."

Maybe he got his dates wrong.

He speaks about the vaccinated might be generating some sort of electromagnetic field around the 5:53 mark. And it's strong enuff to be noticed in the "very near environment"...meaning outside the body. How would you test for this? With an EMF tester? Wouldn't these vaccinated people set off sensitive metal detectors in airports since metal detectors pick up reflected magnetic fields? Or maybe distort hospital MRI scans? There's millions of vaccinated people. They must be driving airport security crazy! lol

And how many of us feel like a perfect creation when we are losing our hair from inherited genetics? Not me.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:38 am

Dr. Stefan Lanka - Healing Conference 2021

(Former Virologist) - Now refers as a microbiologist, in the video he explains world view on disease
and the fake pandemic.

https://odysee.com/@DeansDanes:1/Healing-Conference-2021_Stefan-Lanka:a

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Post  shaftless Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:30 am

Wow, where do you get these videos caustic? lol So hard to understand. I don't understand why he was able to isolate those spherical objects he thought were viruses affecting algae inside and outside algae tissue...but he couldn't find believable photos of viruses from other researchers. Did he have control experiments when he did his work initially? What really made him doubt his own work and pics that he took? He did everything by the book.

So hard to understand.

So genes are made of smaller genes in constant flux? Are there any experiments to prove this that you look up on the internet? He seems to say a lot but doesn't back it up with any real scientific peer-reviewed research papers that we can read about.

Last but not least...I also like the way his belief in god and the soul...that he intermingles with his science....never enters the realm of scientific control experiments like he so demands for other scientific research. It's just a "given" that you have to accept.

So much talk and even more head scratching lol....at least for me.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Thu Nov 04, 2021 9:06 am

shaftless wrote:Wow, where do you get these videos caustic? lol So hard to understand. I don't understand why he was able to isolate those spherical objects he thought were viruses affecting algae inside and outside algae tissue...but he couldn't find believable photos of viruses from other researchers. Did he have control experiments when he did his work initially? What really made him doubt his own work and pics that he took? He did everything by the book.

So hard to understand.

So genes are made of smaller genes in constant flux? Are there any experiments to prove this that you look up on the internet? He seems to say a lot but doesn't back it up with any real scientific peer-reviewed research papers that we can read about.

Last but not least...I also like the way his belief in god and the soul...that he intermingles with his science....never enters the realm of scientific control experiments like he so demands for other scientific research. It's just a "given" that you have to accept.

So much talk and even more head scratching lol....at least for me.

I think you're asking good questions here.

Answering your first question, what he actually found was a bacteriophage, also known informally as a phage.

Alleged pathogenic viruses

The “bacteriophages,” correctly defined as incomplete mini spores and building blocks of the bacteria, have been scientifically isolated, while the so-called pathogenic viruses have never been observed in humans or animals or in their body fluids and have never been isolated and subsequently biochemically analyzed. To date, none of the researchers involved in virology research seems to have realized this very important point.

“Until 1952, a virus was defined as a pathogenic poison in the form of a protein, which as an enzyme caused damage in an unknown manner, which could cause disease and be transmissible. After 1953, the year in which the alleged DNA in the form [of] an alleged alpha helix was publicly announced, the idea of a virus became a malignant genotype wrapped in proteins. Thus, a paradigm shift took place between 1952 and 1954 regarding the image of a virus.”

I've been studying natural medicine for 25 years. And mainly have had the opportunity to delve into "forbidden sciences" meaning concepts not accepted by mainstream. The first initial shock for me is usually exactly the way it is for nearly everyone else...that is...there is no robust science behind the entire field of virology, and that's not the only example.

The short answer to everything, why there is so much confusion? Probably that "learned" people are operating on a false concept of scientific reality. Why is this so?  The medical cartel slowly over decades, deranged not just basic human laws against medical tyranny, but in creating an entire hall of academic politics and turned science into dogma. The truth is discouraged, get's people fired.

So there's a paradox, many of the most 'educated' people become very arrogant, dismissive of other ideas that go against their beliefs. Yet, in the field of science, questioning is the absolute definition of the scientific method. The science is never settled.  

In the abstract heading of nearly every virology journal it will state the same platitudes, such as "X" virus has caused so many deaths...yet when we look for source material, it's never found.

No control experiments is the big problem with virology. Stefan Lanka calls it "self fooling" and breaking this down even further, it's just scientists (not doing real science) relying on what they were taught.

True science is simply questioning. The truth is never afraid to be challenged. Lies are terrified of it (that's why big-tech is censoring and de-platforming anyone who dares question them).

So what is true science?

The scientific method is an empirical method of acquiring knowledge that has characterized the development of science since at least the 17th century. It involves careful observation, applying rigorous skepticism about what is observed, given that cognitive assumptions can distort how one interprets the observation. This process requires a control experiment.

So in the case of viruses or anything believed to be a causal artifact of disease, the conditions need to be duplicated with and without the "infective agent"

Unfortunately, virologists do not even work with "wet labs" so much now, so they are using computer generated sequencing, yet even if using a web lab, they are not using control experiments, because they already assume what
they are doing is proper and correct.

Most everyday people assume that genes determine everything, this is a total lie.

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Post  shaftless Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:09 am

Don't bacteriophages have those distinct "moon lander" appendages they use to attach to bacteria?

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Post  CausticSymmetry Thu Nov 04, 2021 10:30 am

shaftless wrote:Don't bacteriophages have those distinct "moon lander" appendages they use to attach to bacteria?

Yes, they are called, "the good viruses" but are not really viruses.

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Post  shaftless Thu Nov 04, 2021 3:30 pm

Here's a funny thing I noticed. Occasionally you see him in black and white standing at a podium. There's a small lion statue and man statue in front of him on a flat surface. Look at the one at 0:55 mark at the beginning of the video and the one at the 36:33 mark. The man statue is standing close to the lion in the first one and running away from the lion in the second one. Talk about subliminal suggestions lol.

Gotta love that german accent of his too. Here's a silly joke that I just have to share.

An american boat was off the coast of germany and was damaged and taking on water. The captain got on his radio sent out an urgent message to anyone listening saying "We're sinking!!". Nothing. No reply came. Things were getting serious and the boat was taking on more and more water. He then yelled again into his microphone "We're SINKING!!!". Still nothing. Then after an agoning minute or two of silence a response finally crackled over his speaker...."Vot...are you ssssinking about???"

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I tried to respond yesterday but lost my post, ugh.  So trying again.  But yes, very much EMF’s can cause all sorts of psychological problems.  All the anxiety and depression in millennials and gen z is greatly caused by it.

I had a lot of experience with EMF from laptops and such in 2013.  My mom had massive hemorrhagic stroke.  Blood/Iron in brain so made emf sensitive.

We had to stop using laptops.  Desktops aren’t any better but they are further away from the brain so in that aspect was a little better.  But the solution was an ipad.  They used mobile processors.  Meaning they aren’t running behind the scenes all these applications and stuff like laptops and desktops.  All these dual core processors and such cause multiple things running at the same time.  Causes all sorts of erratic EMF’s.  Pulses.  

And in the scientific literature it’s the pulsing that is what’s so damaging.  Cell phones when making a call also pulse but people aren’t making phone calls like was predicted decades ago so the health effects aren’t noticed.  But if people were, you’d have seen the health of many people destroyed.  

However, laptops and desktops are right up there in damaging effects because they pulse like a cell phone and they are relatively close to the brain with a laptop.  A “very” strong magnetic field too.  I have a cheap EMF detector and you can see this happen.  

Sometimes, where you sleep can also be bad.  For instance say a heater or AC kicks on, that powerful magnetic field can actually travel to the wiring in the room where you are at.  For example, your head can be right up tothe wall as you sleep and then when sleeping the heater or AC kicks on.  Or the alarm clock can be a source.  The reason why I mention this is EMF’s tend not to be a big deal for most people but the reason why there wasn’t a predictedexplosion of ill health that was predicted is it was found as we sleep, our bodies heal from the damage of EMF’s.  But if we are exposed to EMF’s while sleeping, that’s a huge problem.  Can cause all sorts of ailments after enough years.  Hope that makes sense.  

You can turn off the fuses at night to where you sleep as again, it’s the emf exposure where you sleep that is a big issue.  And emf’s can travel through the electrical lines in your room.  That is a big help for some people.


Anyway, the solution instead of using a laptop was to use an ipad.  We even bought a laptop with a mobile processor as that produces low emf’s but the laptop was very slow onso just stuck with ipad.  We also hooked up ipad to ethernet as well.  If you decide to stick with wifi, 2.4 ghz is better than 5 ghz for health.  You can also buy a sleeve for the router to reduce emf’s.  Info on this link https://www.radiationhealthrisks.com/why-5-ghz-wifi-routers-dangerous/

I’m not sure if the new ipads are bad with emf’s though because this was all back in 2013 but a really cheap emf detector should be able to show all this.  

I can’t say anything about those protective cases because we never tried them so no real world experience.

Also, don’t use ipad while it’s plugged in. Increases the EMF exposure on laptops wuite a bit and try to sit away from those AC/DC adapters too.

Hope this helps and hope you get well.

Thanks for the feedback about EMF. Will try limiting exposure to EMF and make sure to turn off as many devices as possible when going to sleep. Hopefully there will be an improvement then.

This had some useful content:
https://www.cureus.com/articles/61880-new-onset-neurologic-symptoms-and-related-neuro-oncologic-lesions-discovered-after-covid-19-vaccination-two-neurosurgical-cases-and-review-of-post-vaccine-inflammatory-responses


Although the precise mechanism of post-vaccination inflammation is unknown, it is known that spike proteins can initiate inflammatory cascades and cross the blood-brain barrier (BBB) in COVID-19 infections [10,11]. It is possible that encoded spike proteins post-vaccination therefore cross the BBB and enhance inflammatory responses to nascent pathology within the brain following vaccine administration. We believe that an augmented inflammatory response following vaccination called attention to these neuro-oncologic diseases by exacerbating peritumoral edema and worsening clinical symptoms.

An article about the SARS-CoV2 spike protein crossing the blood-brain barrier (not the spike protein made in response to vaccine)
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8

Another one:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01556-7


In summary, although we find an increased risk of neurological complications in those who received COVID-19 vaccines, the risk of these complications is greater following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test.

You had mentioned ibuprofen to address brain inflammation. Are there any alternatives to ibuprofen? Would rather avoid NSAIDS.

Have also been watching a channel on YouTube called Merogenomics, and there are several videos assessing the potential adverse effects of the mRNA vaccines.

Thanks in advance JDP and everyone else. I am going to focus on reducing stress and hope that it will help things smoothen out. Better sleep should be helpful.

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Post  CausticSymmetry Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:03 am

I think it's wise to avoid OTC drugs like ibuprofen, etc.

Seen kidneys destroyed, liver problems. (think future kidney dialysis)

Besides an old article I wrote 8 years ago, check things like Boswellia Extract, Curcumin combos, etc.

https://www.iherb.com/pr/california-gold-nutrition-boswellia-extract-plus-turmeric-extract-250-mg-120-veggie-capsules/89210?=hil335

https://web.archive.org/web/20180313075554/http://longevitypost.com/everyday-pain-killers-undermining-health/

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Post  imprisoned-radical Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:17 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:I think it's wise to avoid OTC drugs like ibuprofen, etc.

Seen kidneys destroyed, liver problems. (think future kidney dialysis)

Besides an old article I wrote 8 years ago, check things like Boswellia Extract, Curcumin combos, etc.

https://www.iherb.com/pr/california-gold-nutrition-boswellia-extract-plus-turmeric-extract-250-mg-120-veggie-capsules/89210?=hil335

https://web.archive.org/web/20180313075554/http://longevitypost.com/everyday-pain-killers-undermining-health/

Yes, this is correct. A family member passed away from kidney failure caused by several years of taking ibuprofen.

This was another good review.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8417681/


In conclusion, we present a case series of seven individuals with CNS demyelination following COVID-19 vaccination. Symptoms were transitory and responsive to corticosteroid therapy alone (n = 6) or corticosteroids followed by plasma exchange therapy (n = 1). Given the large number of patients with MS who have received COVID-19 vaccination, it is notable that there are only a few reports of individuals experiencing new CNS inflammatory disease activity after vaccination. Large prospective controlled studies/formal registries are required to establish a possible relationship between COVID-19 vaccines and acute CNS demyelination. At the present time, it would seem that the benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh any potential risks to the MS population.

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Post  imprisoned-radical Sat Nov 20, 2021 3:36 pm

Ibuprofen for brain inflammation:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s43440-020-00141-y#:~:text=Ibuprofen%20has%20been%20reported%20to,systemic%20inflammation%20on%20the%20brain.


TNF-α and IL-1β cytokines levels and malondialdehyde (MDA) concentration in the hippocampal tissues of LPS-treated mice were significantly lowered by ibuprofen treatment, whereas no significant effects on IL-10 production and hippocampal BDNF levels were observed. In addition, ibuprofen did not significantly reduce amyloid-β1-40 levels in the hippocampus of LPS-treated animals.

Some research on natural alternatives to ibuprofen:


Comparative anti-inflammatory effects of anti-arthritic herbal medicines and ibuprofen
Joshua J Kang, Mohammed A Samad, Kye S Kim, Soochan Bae
PMID: 25918809
Abstract
Non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDS), such as ibuprofen, are widely used over-the-counter drugs to treat arthritis, but they are often associated with side effects. Herbal medicines have been used to treat various diseases such as arthritis, but the scientific profiles are not well understood. In this study, we examined, in comparison with ibuprofen, the inhibitory effects on various inflammatory markers of the most commonly used herbal medicines to treat arthritis, boswellia (Boswellia sapindales), licorice (Glycyrrhiza glabra), guggul (Commiphora wightii), and neem (Azadirachta indica). To elicit inflammatory response, we exposed mouse myoblast C2C12 cells to lipopolysaccharide (LPS). Tumor necrosis factor-alpha (TNF-α) and monocyte chemotactic protein-1 (MCP-1), which are cytokines activated during an inflammatory response, were determined. The optimal non-toxic concentration was determined by exposing different concentrations of drugs (from 0.01 to 10 mg/mL). Cell death measurement revealed that the drug concentrations lower than 0.05 mg/mL were non-toxic concentrations for each drug, and these doses were used for the main experiments. We found that neem and licorice showed robust anti-inflammatory responses compared with ibuprofen. However, boswellia and guggul did not demonstrate significant anti-inflammatory responses. We concluded that neem and licorice are more effective than ibuprofen in suppressing LPS-induced inflammation in C2C12 cells.


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Post  Jdp710 Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:59 am

imprisoned-radical wrote:]

You had mentioned ibuprofen to address brain inflammation. Are there any alternatives to ibuprofen? Would rather avoid NSAIDS.

Not sure there is a pill that works as well.  I’ve tried many others and just not potent enough to make a difference.

I’m going to trial hydrogen inhalation.  Seems to hold promise.

Kratom calms the brain but works for a different reason than ibuprofen (400 mg and under).  Those two are what worked for me.  There is 800 mg of a quality quercetin and also suppository edta that can also be trialed which is also good.  But for brain inflammation ibuprofen I recommend but hydrogen inhalation might also be worth to try.

Note this is for recovery from covid or vaccine.

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Post  Jdp710 Sun Nov 21, 2021 8:16 am

Imprisoned radical,

If I understand vaccine potentially caused anxiety and such issues in you.  Or it caused prior issues to resurface again.  I understand about being weary of ibuprofen just not sure for inflammation if anything else near as helpful.  I assumed your issues were really bad.  I’ve heard from others who recovered from covid and possibly vaccine issues people who have had a “very” hard time which covid and the vaccine is doing.  People have been psychologically hit very hard.  If it’s not as bad then can always try neem, curcumin and others see if you benefit.  But if it’s bad I’m not hopeful.

Here is a video for hydrogen inhalation for anxiety and such.  It may hold promise to be as powerful as ibuprofen but I won’t receive my machine for many weeks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nfEiaG98_lA&t=606s

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Post  imprisoned-radical Mon Nov 22, 2021 2:08 pm

Jdp710 wrote:Imprisoned radical,

If I understand vaccine potentially caused anxiety and such issues in you.  Or it caused prior issues to resurface again.  I understand about being weary of ibuprofen just not sure for inflammation if anything else near as helpful.  I assumed your issues were really bad.  I’ve heard from others who recovered from covid and possibly vaccine issues people who have had a “very” hard time which covid and the vaccine is doing.  People have been psychologically hit very hard.  If it’s not as bad then can always try neem, curcumin and others see if you benefit.  But if it’s bad I’m not hopeful.

Here is a video for hydrogen inhalation for anxiety and such.  It may hold promise to be as powerful as ibuprofen but I won’t receive my machine for many weeks.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nfEiaG98_lA&t=606s

Yes, there has been a resurfacing of issues. Have post-traumatic stress disorder from several adverse events in childhood, but this was under control for some time. Sudden worsening of mental health was noticeable in June and persisted for a couple of months, and since then there has been some improvement. But still having severe flashbacks to a particular event that happened when I was young, severe enough that it feels like it is actually happening again.

As mentioned, difficult to say whether it was the vaccine or the re-opening.

Epinephrine (adrenaline) release can occur in response to crowds. In my personal case, I also experience what feels like adrenaline release whenever I am around men who are physically larger - perhaps some kind of internalized feeling of inferiority. Epinephrine release also occurs in response to sexual cues in the environment.

Adrenergic blockers have been used as treatments in PTSD - prazosin and propranolol are two that I have read about. Have also been doing some research about the role of epinephrine (adrenaline) in the process of fear memory consolidation. I am not an expert, but as I understand it there is a complex process by which fear memories are retrieved and then extinguished. In PTSD, the extinguishing process is impaired. And epinephrine might have some role in the retrieval / reconsolidation of fear memories.

I am wondering once everything re-opened, many people who are naturally inclined toward introversion were negatively impacted. In my opinion, introversion and aversion to large crowds is not necessarily a sign of illness. Have often thought that humans under evolutionary conditions lived in small tribal environments.

Think I might benefit from owning a service dog. Looking into getting one.

My understanding is that neem is not typically used as a supplement. But going to look into it. Currently taking curcumin.

My current perception of this whole situation is that the vaccines may induce an inhibited version of the illness caused by SARS-CoV2. Yes - I understand that the consensus on this forum is that there is no such thing as SARS-CoV2 but my opinion is different. The proposed argument in favor of the mRNA vaccines is that the spike protein generated in response to the vaccine is modified (two additional amino acids inserted), and as such it cannot exert the same effects as the spike protein on the actual virus. But as many have pointed out, this is not proven.

My biggest concern is that the spike protein and/or vaccine-induced spike protein induces inflammation or blood clots in the brain. Blood clots in the brain can cause permanent damage to important parts of the brain.

But I am hopeful because there have been some moderate improvements in the last couple of months.

Focused on a very spiritual approach to this. Avoiding sexual thoughts to the extent possible, but still falling into the trap sometimes. But no visuals, at least. The margin for error is very small now, so determined to not make any more mistakes that might worsen my condition. My concern is that I have only been able to maintain my condition by remaining housebound. Generally OK if I am at home. Which means that in the future, I am going to end up like Adrian Monk (anybody seen the show?) haha.

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