What doesn't work and does work - a rewrite

Re-written into what works and doesn't work
Someone spent 6 pages disputing minoxidil in the other thread, we will have none of that this time.
Yes, this is very cynical, but look at the ideas behind it, not the specific information.
I must also mention, some of it, admittedly, is wrong, or dubious.
Basically, if it is good for the thyroid, go in that direction. Not good for thyroid = tread lightly.

The list :

Raw cacao - poison. Toxic in raw form and destroys the liver. eat a piece of 60-70% dark chocolate instead. needs the added sugar and fat for balance.

Maca - indedible turnip that is toxic raw. does nothing except drain your bank account.

Goji - can be used in hot teas. Never to be eaten raw or as a snack.

Astaxanthin - does nothing for hair loss or overrall health

Acai - just a regular berry, but sounds exotic so it must solve all your problems

Moringa - only gullible fools use the powder version. Totally toxic raw, eaten in whole food form in third world countries and boiled. Use in whole form only, like you would spinach or kale. May as well get potato powder instead, full of phytic acid and oxalates

Tongkat Ali - only substance in the world to raise testosterone and solve all your problems and make you a better person.
Actually a complete scam and anyone selling it should be shot.

Nettles - pointless. Get the active ingredient, beta sitosterol instead, which is what you want from the nettles

Saw palmetto - another scam. literally modern day snake oil in every shampoo, pill and tablet and supplement.
use beta sitosterol instead. 300-3000 times more potent.

vitamin d- toxic and very unpredictable in the body and hardens arteries, even if balanced with k2 and A.
Use topical vitamin d on the skin only.

muira puama - a mythical herb from a mythical island that solves baldness, and harvested only in a full moon.
Actually a total sham.

Chlorella/Spirulina - get a b complex, individual amino acids instead. toxic levels of beta carotene in both. contain such a small amount of every vitamin and amino acid that they are utterly pointless. fish food for morons.
even starving third worlders can't stand it.

tocotrienols - based on a before/after picture where a man regrew no hair. sham.
just use a normal vitamin E complex.

MSM - too difficult to quality control. totally unproven.  use taurine instead and sulfur/gelatin based amino acids.

he shou wu/fo ti - absolute poison in raw form . man was locked up and survived on it apparently in chinese folklore. literally is prison food. Used by fools to regrow hair.
use a ionic zinc/copper mineral mixture instead

horsetail - depletes vitamin b1 and is toxic. there's more silica in a bell pepper and cucumber.
just get a normal silica supplement instead

Theaflavin - literally has no studies on it, but blocks DHT better than propecia allegedly.
eating bread causes physiological changes in the body and could be bottled and sold with that logic.

Hemp seeds /powder/ hemp anything - completely rancid . use it for fuel and building materials

Coconut Water Powder -  Do I add water to this ? I don't know.

purple corn powder - some fool is literally selling corn powder as a health food. good companion to onion powder.

green smoothies - disgusting and do nothing

Schizandra berry - More rubbish from David Wolfe that allegedly cure baldness.
95% of schizandra berries on the market are completely low grade and contain no active components of what you need, only one company makes a good product, and for hair loss it is useless anyway.
Toxic to the liver in raw form too.

Tongkat Ali with Ant powder - dear oh dear. You can figure this one out yourself.


What doesn't work continued :

chia seeds - more garbage full of phytic acid and are mostly rancid by the time you receive them.

wheatgrass/barleygrass powder - totally unfit for human consumption .

lucuma powder - generic fruit powder that has no use and does nothing.

Maqui Powder - highest antioxidant fruit on the planet.    Of course it is. Which fruit isn't these days ?

banana powder - why does this exist ?

Baobab - a generic local fruit to the people of Central Africa. Stop depriving them of it.



Raw milk - more garbage. No culture in history ever used it straight as raw milk as this is dangerous.
Must be fermented into kefir, or churned into butter or cheese or whatever you need to.

Nut milks - phytic acid milk from rancid nuts and seeds.

Noni Extract Powder - more gibberish. impossible to use. not a "fruit", has to be fermented and cultured.

Ashitaba powder - literally a leaf that costs pennies to make, sold for 70 dollars.

Coconut flakes - phytic acid flakes. Literally the rock hard shell of the coconut. Unfit for human consumption.

black maca - even more toxic than regular maca.

carob - a toxic legume that has to be boiled down. a dog food condiment, literally.



DMSO - does nothing for the underlying causes of hair loss and does nothing anyway

Minoxidil - causes mini heart attacks

castor oil - takes about a month to wash out of the hair

saw palmetto shampoo - absolute nonsense.shampoo contains about 1/100th of saw palmetto, and palmetto contains about 1/300 of the active beta sitosterol. so contains 1/30 000th of the active ingredient.
and it won't absorb through the scalp either. so you are literally 30,000 steps away from solving hair loss.

Maca Cashews - just silliness

Turmeric Almonds - now they are getting desperate



the exotic scam - It's from China! Well, then it must grow hair.
The U.S.A. cured polio and put a man on the moon but - darn it! - we just can't seem to keep up with the rest of the world and their marvelous hair loss cures.

Anonymous testimonial - John Smith tried it and John Smith thinks he sees more hairs in the mirror. Forget all those medical and research journals
- If John Smith thinks he sees more hairs, it's gotta be the cure for baldness

poor circulation- What your scalp really needs is more blood. Then your hair can grow. Of course, even a bald scalp bleeds profusely when cut, but ignore this.


fish oil - Fish oil lowered mitochondrial activity and increased
oxidative stress in… Atlantic Salmon, wow fish oil sucks even for fish

flax oil - great for wood varnish
Hemp oil - great for alternative fuel in cars
Sunflower - great for lubrication in industrial machinery
cod liver oil - great for clocks and antique cogs
walnut oil - great for painting oil canvases
chia oil - rancid and destroys health

whey protein : surprisingly unmentioned so far. contains tryptohpan, methionine, cysteine. inflammatory proteins. avoid.

raw water : needs no reasoning

stevia : disgusting supposed replacement for white sugar. never.

banana powder part 2 : but this banana powder is air dried ! the others aren't ! that's special !

most smoothies : gut irritating, which causes serotonin to rise. probably made with raw water too.

anything made in a nutribullet : if you want to mix inedible green vegetables with fruit and water, go ahead.

anything with kale : inedible, toxic, gut irritating food that everyone striving for health seems to eat.

"The Most Complete Multi-Vitamin Supplement in History!" :
Broccoli 500 mg : If you want dried broccoli powder that's up to you.
Bromelain 15 mg. Who needs it and how would 15 mg help you? Pineapple juice powder is all it is.
Alpha carotene 89 mcg : (that is one eleven thousandth of a gram folks)
Dilaurylthiodipropionate - what's that ?
no silica : I guess the most popular and best supplement company just forgot to put it in.
the other 56 ingredients : Contains so many ingredients and so little of them. just utterly pointless. not enough forum space to discuss it

meditating 18 hours a day and living on a peanut : really bad for your hair.

Pomegranate Powder = because society has become so decadent, they no longer eat whole pomegranates

Zinc Orotate - because there aren't already about a hundred other types of zinc on the market.

Ultimate Blackcurrant Juice - because ordinary blackcurrant juice just won't cut it in the modern world

Dragon Herbs Tonic Alchemy 91 products in 1 :
dear oh dear. We have a long day ahead of us with this product.
and , if it did regrow hair, it would be quite difficult to pinpoint what was causing it.
Never has something contained so much yet so little

Dr. Schulze's Superfood Plus Meal Replacement :
another idiot who has put 500 ingredients in one jar and sold it to people

Longevity Tea - total nonsense

"Tao in a Bottle" - complete garbage

"Supreme Protector" - more bullshit

anything on curezone : a freak show where people live on lentils and iodine . most pessimistic, gloomy, badly layed out forum on the internet.

Natural Hygiene : more eating disorders from people trying to be spiritual. been searching for the perfect diet for 150 years and they still haven't figured anything out

matcha powder : the new wonder superfood that does it all.
actually, just another irrelevance for the supplement scrapyard

emu oil - this doesn't work. it took me 5 years to come to this decision.

youngagain.org topical solution : this man literally reccomends the same 12 supplements for literally every problem in existence, including hair loss. no , it doesn't really work anyway

praying over raw chocolate :
still as toxic and inedible as ever. some company actually does this. (google it )
must be brewed or roasted as ancient cultures did, or just buy a regular quality bar, without soy lecithin though

however you may need a prayer if you eat it

the stanley bass diet :
literally had an eating disorder for 80 years of his life, which started when he was 15.
came to the conclusion, avoid all fruit, live on nuts/seeds/avocados and olives. a salad and an egg yolk.
supplements with fish oil.

it's the blind leading the blind out there.

"holy hemp" : makes you a believer

"sacred chocolate" : good with humble pie

" Superfood Chocolate Chip Cookie Mix" : sold on street corners

raw cigarette lighters : even I am confused by this one

organic cigarette papers : does this need an explanantion

elixirs : more quackery

ormus gold : doesn't regrow hair. however it may have interesting uses.

Sacha Inchi : another magic food that third worlders are desperate to get rid of to gullible consumers

Organic Yacon Root Powder - lies

agave syrup - more lies

Mangosteen - even more lies

fermented cod liver oil - nope
distilled cod liver oil - nope
cultured cod liver oil - nope
arctic cod liver oil - nope
carlson liver oil - nope
infused cod liver oil - nope
reduced cod liver oil- nope
topical cod liver oil - if you want to smell like fish oil, go ahead
imbued cod liver oil - nope
super cod liver oil - nope
special liver oil - nope
holy fish oil - nope

brewed fish oil - nope
brewed fermented ratfish oil - nope
infused skate liver oil -nope
cultured skate liver oil - nope

gorilla skin capsules - oh come on
gorilla skin extract - oh please

mercola : total windbag

perricone : another windbag

breatharianism :
"breatharians
aka
deatharians

I wish you all the best of dumb luck with your retarded "Lightarian" rubbish. I hope you realise you have a serious disorder and should seek real help. You are nothing more than a member of another Starvation Cult that will only lead you to your ultimate demise. 2012? Aliens? Bollocks. None of that *** is real, and no, you aren't an alien either, dip-stick.

Lightarian is really code for "Deatharian", which is the path you're really on, but you are truly too ignorant, blind and arrogant to ever see that about yourself. So long, douche-bag."







ideas that may work :


foods : basically a ray peat diet,

avoidance of nuts/seeds/grains/legumes and olives and avocados. avoidance of their oils too.

supplements:

vitamin c - pureway fat soluble version
silica

lysine - depletes arginine. consider this.
taurine
proline
glycine         - basically the amino acids of gelatine/collagen which reduce prolactin, serotonin, estrogen

ECGC

d ribose -
carnitine or ALA
r- alpha lipoic acid
coq10 or ubiquinol

methylated b complex for some people

vitamin k2,
"rub in the skin" d3/ topical vitamin E and A too

MSM - if it works for you, but take with vitamin c and silica

Beta Sitosterol - swanson make a good brand - to reduce DHT.

minerals, chelated forms of choice , iodine/selenium. zinc/copper and others

ecklonia cava
res/curcumin



peat regimen and philosophy of eating :

read hair like a fox.

lab test for

TSH,
prolactin,
PTH,
Vitamin D,

serotonin
estrogen
also DHT


http://180degreehealth.com/reducing-serotonin-levels/ -  a must read that is inspired by peat ideas

pregnenolone/
dhea  / /
progesterone //
gelatin for potential supplements. maybe k2

Vitamin E
aspirin, (also good topically)
niacinamide,
coconut oil
caffeine
protect against PUFA . this is "damage control"

eat thyroid supporting foods throughout the day. if it's good for thyroid, do it. not good - avoid.

burn sugar/not fat
more calcium than phosphate (from grains) . calcium is needed for the thyroid
more gelatin than flesh meat,
no fish oil or PUFA, coconut oil/butter instead
carrot a day to reduce estrogen
white sugar to support thyroid
limit excess iron - give blood if necessary.
avoid nuts/seeds/avocados/olives/grains/legumes -

parathyroid hormone - consume more calcium than phosphate
serotonin - deplete with a mix of taurine/l -theanine. avoiding flesh / eating organs/gelatin.  also glycine supplementation. but balance glycine with taurine
estrogen - eat one raw carrot a day, grated. also consume an easy to digest diet . beta sitosterol too ? also glycine if not gelatine.
prolactin - lower with salt. also consume more calcium than phosphate. vitamin b6
pgd2 - minimise PUFA oils. white rice is okay. the more refined a grain, the easier to digest. avoid nuts/seeds/avocados/olives/grains/legumes -
increase carbon dioxide - use d-ribose sugar maybe ? plain white sugar works too.

eating more sugar to support the thyroid - not burning fat
deplete tryptophan too - avoid flesh, bananas and foods high in it. converts to serotonin. eat organs, not steak

avoiding (cysteine, methionine ,tryptohpan)
avoid pufa. also avoiding all fish oil and oily fish.
the body will make omega 9 mead acid (which is good) when you are depleted in omega 3 and 6,

ideal :
Whole Blood Serotonin < 25 ng/mL
Prolactin < 4 ng/mL
Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) <0.4 uIU/mL
Parathyroid Hormone (PTH) Supressed
Carbon Dioxide (at least) 30 mmol/L
Cholesterol (Total) 200-230 mg/dL
Vitamin D 25(OH)D 50-70 ng/mL
Lactic acid (low as possible)

the inverse relationship :

bad:
Cortisol,
prolactin,
estrogen,
serotonin

good:
oppose them with:
thyroid, (t3, vitamin A cholesterol)
progesterone,
gelatin,
DHEA,
pregnenolone.
carbon dioxide.

the immortalhair regimen :

blocks mmp9 mmp2, - ecklonia cava.
blocks tgf beta 1 - taurine
block nf-kb      - curcumin/resveratrol . also by reducing starch consumption
reduce calcification -decalcify, and silica.
tocotrienols - for capillaries
ala/carnitine/ - for overrall cell energy and hair

spirulina/sprout/wheatgrass diet - may help but difficult to maintain
raw vegan diet - maybe a temporary gain
vegan diet - never
juice fasting - actually helps one or two people, but can't be sustained
atkins diet - nope. burning fat = stress hormones.
paleo diet - perhaps, depends how it's done
Blood Type Diet - nope
Gluten Free diet - just doesn't do anything
Low Carb diet - nope. you need carbs. not fat for energy.
low fat diet - nope
the nut and seed diet - never
ray peat diet - depends on how you do it
the fruit diet- truthfully, not that bad but not enough sustenance. temporary relief.
olive oil fasting (yes, some idiot really does this) - bad for hair. you don't want to burn and live on fat.

I really have to ask at this point. What makes you such an expert? Do you have all of your hair? What is your hair loss story?

I have a short but relevant statement to make.

A persons biochemistry is unique. What works especially for one person vs another can be completely different.

The reasons for a problem are many, and how to achieve that missing link is quite different.

Many of the things stated as "good" or "bad" vary on level of age, state of health, gene expression, environment factor and much more.

The real secret to learn about ones self and see what works.

My journey started in the early 90's and a lot of what I read, knowing now in retrospect was often wrong.
There are general principles certainly, however individual biochemistry will change what works and what doesn't.

Real changes that are long lasting (based on true physiologic change) or normalization of body chemistry (within a stability range of good health) take time.

This is coming for a person who hasn't lost any hair for over ten years and counting, but it took a long time to figure it out. The more one learns the more humbling this thing we call health is.

CausticSymmetry wrote:There are general principles certainly, however individual biochemistry will change what works and what doesn't.

This is it for me. Boiling it down to...

What are the underlying basic principles for good health/hair?

What are the specific things I need to tweak based on my very own unique context and circumstances?

I am not even saying I am right

I want people to read what I have to say

and make up their own mind

CausticSymmetry wrote:I have a short but relevant statement to make.

A persons biochemistry is unique. What works especially for one person vs another can be completely different.

The reasons for a problem are many, and how to achieve that missing link is quite different.

Many of the things stated as "good" or "bad" vary on level of age, state of health, gene expression, environment factor and much more.

The real secret to learn about ones self and see what works.

My journey started in the early 90's and a lot of what I read, knowing now in retrospect was often wrong.
There are general principles certainly, however individual biochemistry will change what works and what doesn't.

Real changes that are long lasting (based on true physiologic change) or normalization of body chemistry (within a stability range of good health) take time.

This is coming for a person who hasn't lost any hair for over ten years and counting, but it took a long time to figure it out. The more one learns the more humbling this thing we call health is.

basically yes, that's right

Growdamnit wrote:I really have to ask at this point. What makes you such an expert? Do you have all of your hair? What is your hair loss story?

I never said I was an expert, this is what I have experimented with and looked into, and made sense to me.

No, I don't have all my hair.......yet. lol. I have a patch that I want to regrow.

I began losing hair during a stressful time abroad.

What doesn't work for hair loss :

youtube.com/user/adkpinecone -
this man literally gives out the worst hair loss advice EVER.
even though I admit I give out bad and wrong advice sometimes, this man takes it to new levels.
he basically has no ideas, no idea of what causes hair loss, no blood tests, nothing
instead he says take saw palmetto, eat nuts/seeds and fruit and vegetables and healthy meat and your hair regrows,
and he has been studying hair loss for 5 years. don't end up like him - completely dammed ignorant and clueless

beta sitosterol :

if you believe DHT causes hair loss, take it.
If you believe something else does, avoid it. you don't have to take it.
It is certainly very dubious to use it for hair loss, I would not really reccomend it, but only if someone believed the DHT theory.
tread lightly with it.

Dragon’s Blood,Sangre de Grado, a tree bark extract :

Used by people who believe "polyphenols procyanidin B-2" are the magic cure for hair loss.
This idea comes from 2 places :
1)applepoly.com, who sell a hair loss product, that may work for one or 2 people. Works really well for some people though.
2) david wolfe said cacao bark cures baldness, based on a similar idea of procyanidin and polyphenols

It doesn't work folks. rubbing polyphenols in your head from tree barks or apples won't cure baldness

ant powder :

deserves a re-mention for laughs

hairloss-research.org :

as of the 18th of may, 2015, it remains the world's most outdated website, but i will re-post my opinion again.
also one of the world's most ignorant hair loss researchers

emu oil -  no, does not work for most people
Oral Resveratrol/Curcumin - can be good
Theaflavin - debunked already
L-Taurine/Green Tea/Zinc - yes, good,
Grape Seed Extract w/Resveratol and Pterostilbene - yes, good
Super Absorbable Soy Isoflavones - no comment
Super Absorbable Tocotrienols - no comment
Ultra Natural Prostate Formula - just get beta sitosterol or just don't use it anyway

Propecia (Proscar) - nope
Mega Green Tea Extract - can be good
Dr. Proctor's Hair Thinning Formula - no comment. just useless
Ginkgo Biloba Extract - no comment.
Super Omega 3 EPA/DHA - no, I avoid fish oils, because of the work by raypeat
L-lysine - excellent . but it can be questionable for some people who report thinning with it
Iron Protein Plus - good for women only

the calcification theory :

let's be honest, this is a silly hair loss theory, and I personally spent 2 years reading about it.
however calcifcation can be a problem for the heart.

super zix :

since DHT doesn't cause hair loss, why would I want a topical DHT blocker , that doesn't even block DHT that well ?
just mindless nonsense from about 2002 that occasionally pops up on internet forums

ant powder extract : just pathetic

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:the calcification theory :

let's be honest, this is a silly hair loss theory, and I personally spent 2 years reading about it.
however calcifcation can be a problem for the heart.

super zix :

since DHT doesn't cause hair loss, why would I want a topical DHT blocker , that doesn't even block DHT that well ?
just mindless nonsense from about 2002 that occasionally pops up on internet forums

If the calcification theory is nonsense, why do myself and many others performing DT report there being a very hard substance in balding areas?

A friend of mine has a NW0 hairline and even he can't pinch the top of this scalp. So there is definitely more to hair loss than a loose / flexible scalp.

Hair loss is a very complex issue. That is the reason why nobody has figured this out, yet.

There is a distinctly hard substance in my balding spots. It follows my hairline perfectly. The top of my scalp may be hard to pinch, but it isn't this substance. No way is this a coincidence.

Growdamnit wrote:

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:the calcification theory :

let's be honest, this is a silly hair loss theory, and I personally spent 2 years reading about it.
however calcifcation can be a problem for the heart.

super zix :

since DHT doesn't cause hair loss, why would I want a topical DHT blocker , that doesn't even block DHT that well ?
just mindless nonsense from about 2002 that occasionally pops up on internet forums

If the calcification theory is nonsense, why do myself and many others performing DT report there being a very hard substance in balding areas?

So, if the calcification theory is true, than the softing of that hard tissue should lead to noticable hair regrowth and health - wich, from your reports, it doesnt seem to happen. In fact, I do believe that DT will give you nothing more than inflammation due to the spreading of lactid acid from sweat .

I don't know if it's true or not, but I'd like to know what the substance is underneath my bald spots. Clearly inflamed and they hurt.

Growdamnit wrote:I don't know if it's true or not, but I'd like to know what the substance is underneath my bald spots. Clearly inflamed and they hurt.

well, it may be the same substance found in calcified arteries and hearts, which we know exists

we just don't know if it is in the scalp too

I'm positive it is in my scalp and it isn't good. I don't know why I would be making this shit up and wasting my time. I'm trying to get the hair loss train rolling. I remember having pimples behind my hairline (my now bald spots) as a teenager. Maybe it is just scarred tissue underneath from popping them? I can't fucking imagine.

Also, what are you thoughts on PRP?

Hair Loss and Melatonin Boost subliminal audio program :

total insanity

"dissolving skull bone " to fight head enlargement :

some fool from the bodybuilding forum probably does this

Growdamnit wrote:Also, what are you thoughts on PRP?

looks like it helps, but too expensive. more needs to be known about it

Growdamnit wrote:I'm positive it is in my scalp and it isn't good. I don't know why I would be making this shit up and wasting my time. I'm trying to get the hair loss train rolling. I remember having pimples behind my hairline (my now bald spots) as a teenager. Maybe it is just scarred tissue underneath from popping them? I can't fucking imagine.

okay

you have calcium deposits in your scalp

use topical and oral niacin,
topical and oral k2
to remove it

Can I just get oral niacin from food?

I do not understand these people. Use google for search it. http://healthyeating.sfgate.com/fruits-vegtables-good-source-niacin-4211.html

Yes, you can get it, but from vegetables/fruits it has lower biological activity (little-to-no biological activity in the human body). Ok, then there is coffee.

Synthesis and availability of niacin in roasted coffee.

The coffee bean contains about 1% of trigonelline that is demethylated at temperatures approaching 200 degrees C; it is partially converted into nicotinic acid. This operation is mainly proportional to the severity of dry heat treatment; various other physico-chemical factors also influence the synthesis of niacin during the roasting. The niacin content of weakly roasted commercial coffee is about 10 mg/100 g (American coffee) and it reaches 40 mg in heavy roasted coffees, i.e. Italian coffee. Caffeine-free coffee is lower in niacin than the corresponding raw coffee. The drinking retains 85% of the niacin formed during roasting; it is totally available for the organism and can constitute a noticeable part of the daily supply in niacin.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1897406

Even dark chocolate contains niacin and strong antioxidants + flavonoids.

Apple Cider Vinegar Contains B vitamins– B1, B2, B6, Biotin, Folic Acid and Niacin. http://www.organiclifestylemagazine.com/why-keep-apple-cider-vinegar-in-your-pantry/

I know you are vegan so I try to search for vegan sources only. Good luck.

yes, you can reverse calcification through diet.

however, i simply prefer safe supplements

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:yes, you can reverse calcification through diet.

however, i simply prefer safe supplements

In terms of supplementation what is your daily routine?

ElmoSuper8 wrote:

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:yes, you can reverse calcification through diet.

however, i simply prefer safe supplements

In terms of supplementation what is your daily routine?

see signature

I casually experiment with one or two odd items, but maintain the regimen in my signature,
the topicals are just as important.
also alter it based on circumstances or whatever