Exosome Theory and Herpes

I would appreciate clarification about how the herpes virus is transmitted from one partner to another, and how and why outbreaks happen in light of the exosome theory.

Currently I am reading a number of books and I very much respect Antoine Bechamp's cellular/terrain theory(the microzymian) theory, but I can't understand how these STDs like herpes are happening between partners.

Also, I would appreciate any clarification on how the Rife machine, and how viruses can be zapped dead concept in light of this exosome theory. All this time prior to learning more about the exosome theory I had thought that the viruses were being killed by exposing them to their resonate frequency which causes them to die. How would that happens if they are an exosome? I'm guessing they still get destroyed at their resonate frequency.

I am a big believer of Bechamp, and Raymond Rife, so would be great if anyone can help deepen my understanding of what is happening with the herpes and any other STD "viruses".

Cheers

MikeGore wrote:I would appreciate clarification about how the herpes virus is transmitted from one partner to another, and how and why outbreaks happen in light of the exosome theory.

Currently I am reading a number of books and I very much respect Antoine Bechamp's cellular/terrain theory(the microzymian) theory, but I can't understand how these STDs like herpes are happening between partners.

Also, I would appreciate any clarification on how the Rife machine, and how viruses can be zapped dead concept in light of this exosome theory. All this time prior to learning more about the exosome theory I had thought that the viruses were being killed by exposing them to their resonate frequency which causes them to die. How would that happens if they are an exosome? I'm guessing they still get destroyed at their resonate frequency.

I am a big believer of Bechamp, and Raymond Rife, so would be great if anyone can help deepen my understanding of what is happening with the herpes and any other STD "viruses".

Cheers

I get these types of questions all the time, however, it's much easier to explain this stuff vocally, because it requires a lot of writing.

To summarize, the belief that "it" is transmitted is just assumed to be fact. Many of these types of myths have not been adequately proven. Never passed Koch's postulates.

When we believe that someone "infected" someone else with some disease, it is presumed without proof that the alleged virus somehow created that disease.

Based on various principles that hold up in the real world, these diseases manifest by way of toxicity only. 

I have heard so many people claim that an ex-boyfriend or girlfriend gave them herpes virus. But really happened?  In all likelihood, such cases of herpes resulted from toxins such as heavy metals stored in nerves. 

In addition, especially among vegans and vegetarians, "acquiring" herpes is even more probable.  Why? Because they lack (deficient in) skin and collagen-like products (animal tissue), so they are more likely to have eruptions.

Virtually all of us has metal accumulated in our nerves, because of the dense level of industrial pollutants. While the medical cartel operates on the notion of using band-aids to cover symptoms, but never is interested in the causes.

It's strictly smart business. A patient cured is a customer lost.

If the world health systems were intellectually honest and not motivated by blinding causes and focusing on symptomology,  knowing that bio-accumulated heavy metals in nerves is the culprit. These types of persistent toxins are unable to pass out of nerve endings easily. 

Upon critical mass (body needing to detoxify) is when our bodies reach a threshold that signals it's time release these exosomes (viruses) in order to detoxify these metals from our nerve-endings.

The final result?  Sores that are called herpes.

So what if this happens?

Two bits of advice:

Take this:

https://www.iherb.com/pr/Life-Enhancement-Durk-Pearson-Sandy-Shaw-s-BHT-Plus-100-Capsules/2728?=hil335

...and eat more meat, skin and saturated fat, collagen, etc.

The BHT (butylated hydroxytoluene) is a food preservative 'approved' by the Federal Deception Administration. It simply works by resolving oxidized fats.

But don't they infect seemingly healthy animals in labs to do tests on them? They wouldn't inject them with chemical toxins or heavy metals if they are trying to study a biological pathogen would they?

shaftless wrote:But don't they infect seemingly healthy animals in labs to do tests on them? They wouldn't inject them with chemical toxins or heavy metals if they are trying to study a biological pathogen would they?

Let's see the research.

Vaccines are another pathway.

Here's a look at what was attempted as vaccine for genital herpes. 

the abstract results are misleading (which is often the case)...looking carefully, at the full study:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1045605/pdf/brjvendis00032-0047.pdf

First, they needed immunogloblins for it to be effective at all. Antibodies is an antiquated measure of effectiveness. The industry deems presence of antibodies to equal 'effective'

Presence of antibodies in reality means, infected with something (toxin). 

The conclusion of the vaccine was very poor if all the details are read. Not surprisingly there was not much traction for this.

When a vaccine is created, it's never isolated or purified for the "viruses" to be cultured in a pure, clean medium (never happens).

Thanks CS for your response.

I would be open-minded to consider perhaps its all coincidence that we think a partner gave us herpes. But when you get a herpes outbreak after contact with a person who has herpes, with the timing so close, it is really difficult to accept it is a coincidence.

Perhaps there is a psychological element involved, and as highly suggestable individuals an outbreak might happen because we fear it? I dunno. But I do hope you are right CS.

So if herpes is just toxicity, than going through a protocol for heavy metal detox and detoxification for other toxins and parasites in general might be all that is needed to get rid of herpes.

It would be interesting to find out if people with heavy metal toxicity or general overload in toxins which can be corroborated with lab tests, whether or not these people are getting the same symptoms of herpes sufferers such as outbreaks on the skin, itching, pain in the nerve endings etc. It those seem plausible to me as you have explained it, that maybe there is no such thing really as herpes, it is just a label used for the symptoms. Perhaps the label for those suffering with toxicity can also be called herpes.

One thing though I was thinking. It is well known that l-arginine causes herpes outbreaks. This makes one falsely imagine that the virus is feeding off l-arginine. If it is an exosome, why is l-arginine causing an outbreak? Also why herpes have the possibility of causing certain cancer like cervical cancer or prostate cancer? I know cancer is really due to toxicity so actually it makes sense what you say, but why specifically genital, sexual organ related, if it is not really and STD.

Here's some info on lysine and herpes:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6419779/

Also a paper on Cadmium, a well known toxin in our environment and herpes activation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC238163/

That is very interesting CS. Best to do a full heavy metal detox to fully cleanse the body.

I currently considering the following:

Chlorella
Iodine
Diatomaceous Earth
Bentonite Clay
Liposomal Vitamin C
Chlorine Dioxide

Probably will need to more heavy duty chelators but have always been wary due to the herxhemeir reaction.

I heard even Chlorine Dioxide can rid of some metals. will need to read further to confirm this though.

MikeGore wrote:That is very interesting CS. Best to do a full heavy metal detox to fully cleanse the body.

I currently considering the following:

Chlorella
Iodine
Diatomaceous Earth
Bentonite Clay
Liposomal Vitamin C
Chlorine Dioxide

Probably will need to more heavy duty chelators but have always been wary due to the herxhemeir reaction.

I heard even Chlorine Dioxide can rid of some metals. will need to read further to confirm this though.

A few cautions about chelation. If it's done right and under the right circumstances given patient medical history, many chelation methods will be okay.

However, there are many contraindications, so with that said, would do a deep dive before spending time doing some of these.

For example, Chlorella is a weak binder, which means if the wrong metals are the issue (mercury), would not even go there.

Then some other chealtors can strip certain minerals.

A reason why for general purposes, humifulvate is one of my favorites.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

MikeGore wrote:That is very interesting CS. Best to do a full heavy metal detox to fully cleanse the body.

I currently considering the following:

Chlorella
Iodine
Diatomaceous Earth
Bentonite Clay
Liposomal Vitamin C
Chlorine Dioxide

Probably will need to more heavy duty chelators but have always been wary due to the herxhemeir reaction.

I heard even Chlorine Dioxide can rid of some metals. will need to read further to confirm this though.

A few cautions about chelation. If it's done right and under the right circumstances given patient medical history, many chelation methods will be okay.

However, there are many contraindications, so with that said, would do a deep dive before spending time doing some of these.

For example, Chlorella is a weak binder, which means if the wrong metals are the issue (mercury), would not even go there.

Then some other chealtors can strip certain minerals.

A reason why for general purposes, humifulvate is one of my favorites.

Is there a specific supplement(s) that contains humifulvate ?

Harder to find things these days.

https://www.iherb.com/pr/Morningstar-Minerals-Immune-Boost-77-Mineral-Supplement-120-Veggie-Capsules/16754?=hil335

It's basically the same stuff

shaftless wrote:But don't they infect seemingly healthy animals in labs to do tests on them? They wouldn't inject them with chemical toxins or heavy metals if they are trying to study a biological pathogen would they?

Me, what I can't still understand is how they give herpes to mice in studies.
I didn't read the full studies, but from the pics, I can see that the mice have cold sores. So whatever the researchers did, it gave them herpes. And I suppose they did use the herpes virus.

So how can it be possible if viruses do not cause that in the first place ?

Directo wrote:

shaftless wrote:But don't they infect seemingly healthy animals in labs to do tests on them? They wouldn't inject them with chemical toxins or heavy metals if they are trying to study a biological pathogen would they?

Me, what I can't still understand is how they give herpes to mice in studies.
I didn't read the full studies, but from the pics, I can see that the mice have cold sores. So whatever the researchers did, it gave them herpes. And I suppose they did use the herpes virus.

So how can it be possible if viruses do not cause that in the first place ?

Viruses and/or exosomes can cause harm when injected. This is why vaccines are so destructive.

Viruses and/or exosomes are the debris released from the cell as a response to the toxin.

Epidemiological studies are used to persuade people and researchers that this is a cause and effect relationship, through other means than injection.

Using an injection is basically cheating - Would be more interesting to see actual contact to contact casual studies to justify the germ theory paradigm.

CausticSymmetry wrote:Viruses and/or exosomes can cause harm when injected. This is why vaccines are so destructive.

Yes, but still when they injected that thing in the mice, it gave them precisely the herpes symptoms; and not another symptom/rash from another disease. That's this I find strange.

Directo wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:Viruses and/or exosomes can cause harm when injected. This is why vaccines are so destructive.

Yes, but still when they injected that thing in the mice, it gave them precisely the herpes symptoms; and not another symptom/rash from another disease. That's this I find strange.

Logical thoughts, I think on this.

According to Dr. Stefan Lanka, virologist and molecular biologist, who despite being classically trained virologist states the following about herpes:

"It has not been isolated...."

Essentially meaning that the injections would contain both the genetic material from an infection and the contaminates in the culture medium.

https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/dr-stefan-lanka-debunks-pictures-of-isolated-viruses/

In case people still believe the RT-PCR has a solid ground as a primary diagnostic value media seem to rely upon.

https://cormandrostenreview.com/report/

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Directo wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:Viruses and/or exosomes can cause harm when injected. This is why vaccines are so destructive.

Yes, but still when they injected that thing in the mice, it gave them precisely the herpes symptoms; and not another symptom/rash from another disease. That's this I find strange.

Logical thoughts, I think on this.
According to Dr. Stefan Lanka, virologist and molecular biologist, who despite being classically trained virologist states the following about herpes:
"It has not been isolated...."
Essentially meaning that the injections would contain both the genetic material from an infection and the contaminates in the culture medium.
https://www.vaccinationinformationnetwork.com/dr-stefan-lanka-debunks-pictures-of-isolated-viruses/

''Isolation'' is a term, that delivers all the resolution, is not it... Closest ever to the term ''magic''

Apparently, SARS-COV2 was also never isolated and RNA code was somehow approximated. It is where we all entered the train to the dark side.

CausticSymmetry wrote:Viruses and/or exosomes can cause harm when injected. This is why vaccines are so destructive.

But how we do know this ? We apparently haven't purified any.
And why would they be harmful if injected when they are already in some people's bodies, and -supposedly- aren't causing any diseases ?

CausticSymmetry wrote:Using an injection is basically cheating - Would be more interesting to see actual contact to contact casual studies to justify the germ theory paradigm.

Yes, but to me it's a mystery how they could get the exact symptoms of herpes with this injection. It kind of shows that they do hold the cause of herpes in that syringe.

Think of how small viruses and/or exosomes really are. The infection is captured (sampling from a sore), then injected into mice?  if that's what they do, no telling if it's the "virus" however, see below how this is generally done.

The details are everything:

Key points here are monkey kidney cells (known as vero cells) as a "growth" medium. Also typically bovine calf serum used along with......drum roll........antibiotics. Translation, the antibiotics poison the cells of monkey kidney. Without that procedure, there will be no exosomes/viruses.

And unless they are injected, there's not going to be harmful.

Cell lines. Three cell lines, maintained in vitro, were employed in these studies. Vero cells were African green monkey kidney fibroblasts (ATCC CRL 1587) and were employed to propagate the virus. NCTC clone 929 of strain L (ATCC CCL 1 clone 929) is a fibroblastic cell line derived from C3H/AN (H-2K) and was used for syngeneic target cells to A/J effectors in the 51Cr assays. BLK CL4 (ATCC TIB81) is a fibroblastic cell line derived from C57BL/6 (H-2K) and was used for allogeneic target cells to A/J effectors in cytotoxicity assays. Virus preparations. The KOS strain of HSV-1 was used in these studies. Virus stocks were propagated in Vero cells grown in complete Dulbecco modified Eagle medium growth medium containing 10% bovine calf serum and antibiotics. The titers of virus preparations were determined by standard plaque assays, and the titers were expressed in PFU per milliliter. Virus stocks were frozen in small volumes and stored at -70°C. UV-inactivated virus was prepared by exposing virus stocks to a UV lamp for 15 min at distance of 10 cm. Virus inoculation. The procedure for the inoculation of mice with virus via the AC route has been described previously (1, 19, 20). Briefly, an inoculum of 2 x 104 PFU of HSV-1 in a volume of 4 ,u was microinjected into the needle-pierced AC of each animal.

CausticSymmetry wrote:Think of how small viruses and/or exosomes really are. The infection is captured (sampling from a sore), then injected into mice?  if that's what they do, no telling if it's the "virus" however, see below how this is generally done.

But even though it would not be the virus causing it, the cause of the herpes symptoms would be inside that infection sample, right ? Whatever it is.

What's your view on the rabies virus ? What would be causing this disease ?

Directo wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:Think of how small viruses and/or exosomes really are. The infection is captured (sampling from a sore), then injected into mice?  if that's what they do, no telling if it's the "virus" however, see below how this is generally done.

But even though it would not be the virus causing it, the cause of the herpes symptoms would be inside that infection sample, right ? Whatever it is.

What's your view on the rabies virus ? What would be causing this disease ?

You can imagine that when worldwide accepted beliefs become challenged it opens up a Pandora's box of questions.

To preface the answer: 

“If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.” ― adolf hitler


This just happens to be the case with a lot of things, especially medicine. In fact, the largest organ of the human body
was officially "discovered" just a few years ago. The interstitium, this is described as a contiguous fluid-filled space existing between a structural barrier, such as a cell wall or the skin, and internal structures, such as organs, including muscles and the circulatory system.

Sorry for the tangent, yet the point on that is collectively, we just don't know what we don't know.

There's a bit of a backstory on the rabies "thing" and it's been a while..now days it's becoming increasingly difficult to retrieve some of this information, because the gatekeepers have done a proper job of scrubbing truth off the Internet. so it takes a bit of time.

Needless to say, Rabies is a hoax, now a myth.

The ultimate irony is that vaccines for Rabies actually create all the physical symptoms described as Rabies. It's quite similar to the polio outbreak (caused by the vaccines as a major contributor).

Explaining why this myth is perpetuated has to do with money...then once the curtain is revealed, the evidence of Rabies existing is hardly convincing, but as long the money is rolling in....fear sells.


This book called The Poisoned Needle: Suppressed Facts About Vaccination
By Trung Nguyen, Eleanor McBean


Has all the details on the Rabies myth.


https://books.google.com/books?id=KJ5HDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_ge_summary_r&cad=0#v=onepage&q&f=false

Very interesting thread, thanks for sharing valuable information. I have some questions out of curiosity:

1. So herpes is just a detox mechanism to get rid of heavy metals? Does that mean that using e.g humic acid, fulvic acid, BHT to detox the body will rid the body of herpes/potential outbreaks for good? What detox regiment would you recommend for getting rid of these symptoms for good?

2. I got symptoms immediately after a questionable one night stand, it seems strange that my body would just decide to start detoxing after intercourse and continued doing so for about a year (recurring outbreaks). Why is sex a trigger for this? From my experience, germ theory makes more "sense", although I think its completely bogus. Maybe I am missing some puzzle piece?

3. A follow up on the second question is how can I make sure I dont trigger this in other people (through intercourse)? I would hate to trigger this in someone else.

Thanks for all good insights

grail wrote:Very interesting thread, thanks for sharing valuable information. I have some questions out of curiosity:

1. So herpes is just a detox mechanism to get rid of heavy metals? Does that mean that using e.g humic acid, fulvic acid, BHT to detox the body will rid the body of herpes/potential outbreaks for good? What detox regiment would you recommend for getting rid of these symptoms for good?

2. I got symptoms immediately after a questionable one night stand, it seems strange that my body would just decide to start detoxing after intercourse and continued doing so for about a year (recurring outbreaks). Why is sex a trigger for this? From my experience, germ theory makes more "sense", although I think its completely bogus. Maybe I am missing some puzzle piece?

3. A follow up on the second question is how can I make sure I dont trigger this in other people (through intercourse)? I would hate to trigger this in someone else.

Thanks for all good insights

Earlier in this thread regarding herpes there was a small detail I will expound on. Connective tissue, say collagen for instance or lack thereof can result in thinner skin, so with any abrasion or friction of the skin, an "out break" or lesion erupting in of the skin. Due to agricultural lobbies and other influences, skinless chicken instead of whole chicken with the skin or other sources of collagen, connective tissue makes occurrences like this less likely.

So lacking connective tissue is one possible explanation.

Yet another is toxins can be exchanged in bodily fluids. All that stated, based on research, there was no the type of correlation that one would expect with intercourse in a well designed trial exploring the probabilities. However, since textbooks, media and education has put this idea into the public consciousness, it is just presumed that it was solely manifested by intercourse with a specific partner.

The research available does not support what most people believe based on this widespread dogma.
There are other possibilities on what could manifest this effect beyond some of my examples, since there is no financial incentive for researchers to look for all of the causes.

Purging heavy metals is one thing to pursue, and other is focusing on collagen rich foods. On the 3rd hand, there is or could be an energetic reason that is not fully understood. The exchange of bio-photons for example.

Just found this which might help elucidate more.

https://drsambailey.com/resources/videos/germ-theory/what-we-werent-taught-about-herpes/

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Earlier in this thread regarding herpes there was a small detail I will expound on. Connective tissue, say collagen for instance or lack thereof can result in thinner skin, so with any abrasion or friction of the skin, an "out break" or lesion erupting in of the skin. Due to agricultural lobbies and other influences, skinless chicken instead of whole chicken with the skin or other sources of collagen, connective tissue makes occurrences like this less likely.

So lacking connective tissue is one possible explanation.

Yet another is toxins can be exchanged in bodily fluids. All that stated, based on research, there was no the type of correlation that one would expect with intercourse in a well designed trial exploring the probabilities. However, since textbooks, media and education has put this idea into the public consciousness, it is just presumed that it was solely manifested by intercourse with a specific partner.

The research available does not support what most people believe based on this widespread dogma.
There are other possibilities on what could manifest this effect beyond some of my examples, since there is no financial incentive for researchers to look for all of the causes.

Purging heavy metals is one thing to pursue, and other is focusing on collagen rich foods. On the 3rd hand, there is or could be an energetic reason that is not fully understood. The exchange of bio-photons for example.

Just found this which might help elucidate more.

Thanks, the video was insightful.

It got me thinking about sauna. It is said that sauna should be avoided because it can trigger outbreaks, but wouldnt it be a good idea to sweat and detox through sauna? Or is it bad because you are breathing in toxic air from your and other peoples sweat?

When reading about the microzymian theory, I do recall vaguely the mention that these micozymas could even be affected by things like stress, psychological and even spiritual factors. This could explain some sicknesses. Transmission is not necessary for sickness. And an energetic transmission/influence is enough to make this microzymas behave differently perhaps.

So why does the body detox through herpes outbreaks? Its as if when the body has its first outbreak, it gets a habit of detoxing through herpes again and again. Why does it do this when other people's bodies dont detox this way?

Is there a way to turn this mechanism off and detox through other means?