Detumescence Therapy- dedicated volunteers wanted

whodathunkit wrote:

Odysseus wrote:I got trapped in a Wonder Bread factory for several months. Luckily I was in the "dough" room, surrounded by mountains of glutinous, sugar infused material. I survived by eating several pounds of this material per day until I was rescued. The point is, I noticed no vellus hair loss at that time. After being rescued, I went out that night with friends to celebrate. We hit a local pizza joint and I couldn't believe how many of those little verllus hairs I lost the next day

Odysseus, I have no doubt you have been trapped in a room with a soft, gelatinous substance.   However, I have my doubts that the substance was dough.   Seems to me it was probably rubber.

{rim shot}

Your schtick be gettin' old, brother.  Please hang it up.  You're not nearly as clever as you seem to think you are.

That's yer personal opinion. There may be 2000 posters/lurkers out there who enjoy the irreverence. CS has said time and time again a little pizza, cake, wine, or chocolate will not cause some hysterical, massive, throw myself off the bridge shed.

Odysseus wrote:That's yer personal opinion. There may be 2000 posters/lurkers out there who enjoy the irreverence. CS has said time and time again a little pizza, cake, wine, or chocolate will not cause some hysterical, massive, throw myself off the bridge shed.

Not debating the validity of what you said.  Not really debating anything.  I'm saying straight up that you should consider not being a jerk all the time and insulting everyone on this board and what we believe in.  I don't believe everything I read here, but neither do I insult those who don't believe as I do.  I also don't think I should be insulted when others don't believe as I do.

Mendaciously hiding constant insults behind the concept of "irreverence" is a cop-out, and further, it's a tactic that only passive-aggressive douchebags use.

You need to consider there may be 3000 other posters who think like I do.

whodathunkit wrote:

Odysseus wrote:That's yer personal opinion. There may be 2000 posters/lurkers out there who enjoy the irreverence. CS has said time and time again a little pizza, cake, wine, or chocolate will not cause some hysterical, massive, throw myself off the bridge shed.

Not debating the validity of what you said.  Not really debating anything.  I'm saying straight up that you should consider not being a jerk all the time and insulting everyone on this board and what we believe in.  I don't believe everything I read here, but neither do I insult those who don't believe as I do.  I also don't think I should be insulted when others don't believe as I do.

Mendaciously hiding constant insults behind the concept of "irreverence" is a cop-out, and further, it's a tactic that only passive-aggressive douchebags use.

You need to consider there may be 3000 other posters who think like I do.

Who says I'm a jerk? And it's not my job to take care of people's feelings. That's their job (and a major part of learning to live with hair loss).  If people don't like the way you look, screw 'em. Maybe gluten adds to the problem, who knows? "No Gluten" is a huge business now. Just like Big Pharma and Big Organic and Big Vita.

I certainly don't mean to "insult" anyone. It's not the messenger, it's the message I poke fun at.

Odysseus, if you can't see how and why you're coming across like a dick, no one can help you.  

Good luck.  Have fun with your special wit and wisdom.  May it take you far in life, and win you many friends.

whodathunkit wrote:Odysseus, if you can't see how and why you're coming across like a dick, no one can help you.  

Good luck.  Have fun with your special wit and wisdom.  May it take you far in life, and win you many friends.

I've never called anyone here a jerk or dick, or anything else for that matter.

Violet Rays for Everyone!

I think Odysseus is funny, but he is smart enough to know exactly what he's doing. There are two sides of the fence, yet you should always sit on top of it. I don't understand how one's comment on an internet thread could possibly tarnish your day, but if you find a hair loss theory that you genuinely agree with, stick with it. Only you are going to solve your hair loss.

EDIT: On a side note with regarding this theory: What explains the exact pattern androgenetic alopecia takes? Why is it always the crown or temples to go first if it is only grease that clogs the follicles?

Hey,

Just wanted to drop in and briefly share my Detumescence experience so far.

I'm a NW1-2, and I've been firmly massaging/kneeding my temples (sporadically, every other day or so, about 20 times a day total) for the last two months or so.

As a result, I can now see a lot of vellus hair popping out on and 1cm below the hairline. Some of them have come a bit longer than the others - some of them thicker, some thinner.  I know me saying things won't prove anything to you, so I'm gonna try to get a few good pictures of the area in question.

Nevertheless, this seems to work very well for me.

Btw, the only thing I'm doing hair-wise at the moment is Detumescence - no supplements or dietary protocols of any kind.

Happy growing everyone!

For the record, Odysseus, I think the only person I've ever called a jerk or a dick around here is YOU. I think I called you a douche, too. Don't forget that.

And again, to be clear, you're amusing the first 50 times you say "Violet Rays for everyone!" or regale us with the incredibly original satirical anecdote of your adventures in the Wonder Bread factory.

But after the first 50 to 100 times of this "elbow-in-the-ribs-dontcha-get-it-I'm-making-fun-of-all-of-you-but-in-the-greatest-way-so-you-shouldn't-be-offended" jocularity, it gets OLD. You're like the Don Rickles of the Immortal Hair Forum...except Don was frequently original and witty, even while he was being insulting and mean. And he also understood how not to overuse a joke.

AFAIC, it's not just what you say...it's *how many* times you say it. Even toddlers understand eventually that saying the same thing over and over gets on people's nerves. Do *you* have the capacity to understand that, too?

Anyway, I'm done with this. Said my piece. In the interest of not becoming the repetitive drone myself, I'm out.

whodathunkit wrote:For the record, Odysseus, I think the only person I've ever called a jerk or a dick around here is YOU.   I think I called you a douche, too.  Don't forget that.  

And again, to be clear, you're amusing the first 50 times you say "Violet Rays for everyone!" or regale us with the incredibly original satirical anecdote of your adventures in the Wonder Bread factory.

But after the first 50 to 100 times of this "elbow-in-the-ribs-dontcha-get-it-I'm-making-fun-of-all-of-you-but-in-the-greatest-way-so-you-shouldn't-be-offended" jocularity, it gets OLD.  You're like the Don Rickles of the Immortal Hair Forum...except Don was frequently original and witty, even while he was being insulting and mean.  And he also understood how not to overuse a joke.

AFAIC, it's not just what you say...it's *how many* times you say it.  Even toddlers understand eventually that saying the same thing over and over gets on people's nerves.  Do *you* have the capacity to understand that, too?

Anyway, I'm done with this.  Said my piece.  In the interest of not becoming the repetitive drone myself, I'm out.

I hope you know that there is no such thing as "us". A group of individuals participating in a particular subject, some common interests, that's all. You are not, and can not, possibly speak for or be aware of what other folks think/feel about my participation here. You are speaking for yourself. It gets "OLD" for you. And no, my toddlers have never figured out that asking me why the sun goes down and the moon comes out gets on my nerves, because it doesn't.

Can anyone recommend any topical growth stimulants (non anti andro/minox based) that have helped them alongside manuals/brushing??

thats the million dollar question, and if we knew the answer we would be millionaires.

for regrowth, i dont know. u should be very weary of anyone who tells u 'something works'.

for scalp health and anti fungal, try tea tree oil, betonite clay, seabuckthorn., GFSE, CCO,

Can anybody recommend a drema roller 1.5? (Or do you think 1mm is better?)
There are so many of them in Amazon
I'm using this one, once a week -  and I don't like it that much: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-Needle-Roller-Stretchmarks-Regeneration/dp/B0085LUMLI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_beauty_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0C6RNK4XFE6DWK93XKXB

Any suggestions?

Dannyboy wrote:Can anybody recommend a drema roller 1.5? (Or do you think 1mm is better?)
There are so many of them in Amazon
I'm using this one, once a week -  and I don't like it that much: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Professional-Needle-Roller-Stretchmarks-Regeneration/dp/B0085LUMLI/ref=pd_sim_sbs_beauty_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0C6RNK4XFE6DWK93XKXB

Any suggestions?

depends on how deep you wanna go. if you're not trying to make yourself bleed, you don't need bigger than .5. i have 1.5 from a long time ago and the needles are huge

Dannyboy, I agree with hiilikeyourbeard...what length needle you get depends on what you want to accomplish.  Also depends on your tolerance for blood and pain.

There is currently a debate in the dermaneedling community about whether or not short needles and more frequent sessions will achieve the same results as deeper needles used in sessions spaced more widely apart.  Consensus has not been reached.  My personal feeling is that both approaches have merit and mixing them may be the best way to go, at least for anti-aging results on non-scalp skin.

Regardless, 1.0mm needles aren't really considered short.  "Short" seems to top out at 0.5mm.

1.0mm is less painful than 1.5mm which in turn is less painful than 2.0mm.  You will also bleed more the longer needle you use.  Don't ever go above 2.0mm, though.  No point.  I say that because I've seen some 3.0mm rollers on ebay.  Just damn.  

As far as where you can get good ones...I like this place:

http://shop.owndoc.com/product-list.php?dermaneedling-pg1-cid48.html

It's in Europe and I'm in the States, but the merchandise is high-quality, the customer service is excellent, and my merchandise always arrives in a timely manner, so I always go there when I need needling supplies.  They stand behind what they sell.  Plus, they have the best selection I've ever seen for different types of needling devices.  And the site is good for advice on what to choose, how to use it, and how to care for it after you've used it.

castor oil is wonderful in conjunction with this too. i like it better than magnesium oil. you can also leave it on all night to increase blood flow. pretty cool stuff.

so what do you guys think is the best way to prevent this buildup from happening to us again once we break it all down and our head shape is back to normal? i'm really trying to figure out how it really happens in the first place. just inflammation?

Hello all
Any updates? I've been closely watching this topic and haven't seen anyone talk about their progress for a while.
I'm almost at the end of month 2 and i've noticed some new hairs on my hairline, they aren't particularly visible but yet they're there. My main area of concern is my overly thinned crown, apart from some big bumps and flakey skin there is little else to report.
I'll post a few pictures as soon as my progress is cosmetically apparent and fit for a proper before/after comparison shot.

whodathunkit wrote:Dannyboy, I agree with hiilikeyourbeard...what length needle you get depends on what you want to accomplish.  Also depends on your tolerance for blood and pain.

There is currently a debate in the dermaneedling community about whether or not short needles and more frequent sessions will achieve the same results as deeper needles used in sessions spaced more widely apart.  Consensus has not been reached.  My personal feeling is that both approaches have merit and mixing them may be the best way to go, at least for anti-aging results on non-scalp skin.

Regardless, 1.0mm needles aren't really considered short.  "Short" seems to top out at 0.5mm.

1.0mm is less painful than 1.5mm which in turn is less painful than 2.0mm.  You will also bleed more the longer needle you use.  Don't ever go above 2.0mm, though.  No point.  I say that because I've seen some 3.0mm rollers on ebay.  Just damn.  

As far as where you can get good ones...I like this place:

http://shop.owndoc.com/product-list.php?dermaneedling-pg1-cid48.html

It's in Europe and I'm in the States, but the merchandise is high-quality, the customer service is excellent, and my merchandise always arrives in a timely manner, so I always go there when I need needling supplies.  They stand behind what they sell.  Plus, they have the best selection I've ever seen for different types of needling devices.  And the site is good for advice on what to choose, how to use it, and how to care for it after you've used it.

Thanks for the answer - the thing is I always read on the web-sites that 0.5 is for hair loss, on the other hand most say 1.0-1.5 is more effective. I don't know if the recommended 0.5 its for using 3-4 times a week and that's why there is no need for more than 0.5.
I use it once a week, also use a topical and LLLT 3 times a week, I wonder if its more effective to use it right after LLLt, and again - what would be the right once to use 0.5-1.5. I guess I will stay with 1.5 but I will look for some other brand.

hiilikeyourbeard wrote:castor oil is wonderful in conjunction with this too. i like it better than magnesium oil. you can also leave it on all night to increase blood flow. pretty cool stuff.

so what do you guys think is the best way to prevent this buildup from happening to us again once we break it all down and our head shape is back to normal? i'm really trying to figure out how it really happens in the first place. just inflammation?

Thanks. So castor oil helps with blood flow. Doesnt it also posses some other hair growth properties if im not mistaken?

how is this for castor oil?

http://smile.amazon.com/NOW-Solutions-Castor-Pure-ounce/dp/B0013TM9UQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400880199&sr=8-1&keywords=castor+oil

I try to do the massage as much as possible whenever I can. The results from the 10 month massaging amounts to 186 hours. I figured ill go for 2 hours a day or more. Mostly during moments watching TV. So in 3 months I would have done those amount of hours. I'm not sure how much more effective this approach will be but I'm seeing new hairs . I don'tuse my hands much either. II've got a roller which I removed from its handle. Two actually. its like a nobbly roll. i fit them in the palm of my hand and push it very hard into my scalp just as you would your fingers. Pulling stretching etc. i also turn the roll upside down. As its hollow i press it into my scalp and it makes little crop circles appear. ipretty much move it cm by cm so they are no longer visible but leaves my skin very red. This has saved my fingers a lot of strain but my forearms hurt after a while. I also don't believe it's calcification. I think it's fibrosis. I take 6000 mg of taurine

CaptainGiggles wrote:Hello all
Any updates? I've been closely watching this topic and haven't seen anyone talk about their progress for a while.
I'm almost at the end of month 2 and i've noticed some new hairs on my hairline, they aren't particularly visible but yet they're there. My main area of concern is my overly thinned crown, apart from some big bumps and flakey skin there is little else to report.
I'll post a few pictures as soon as my progress is cosmetically apparent and fit for a proper before/after comparison shot.

my crown has come back faster than my temples. so keep at it. your hair will come back

stresssucks wrote:how is this for castor oil?

http://smile.amazon.com/NOW-Solutions-Castor-Pure-ounce/dp/B0013TM9UQ/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1400880199&sr=8-1&keywords=castor+oil

exactly bottle i have lol

quality stuff, they call it the palm of christ. kinda fitting. you can literally just lather your head up with this stuff and let it sit for a few hours or just massage it in. mix it with coconut oil or another oil to thin it out if you find it's too thick too. i'll be using this probably the rest of my DT journey. DT, castor oil and brushing. nothing else topically. i don't even wash my hair anymore and it's in the best condition it's been in in a long long time. magnesium oil will go on the back burner, it's good for sore muscles but i feel that castor oil does a better job with with softening this calcification or fibrosis or whatever this is, plus i'm supplementing magnesium already. sorry i'm rambling

You guys apply castor after DT?

hiilikeyourbeard wrote:

CaptainGiggles wrote:Hello all
Any updates? I've been closely watching this topic and haven't seen anyone talk about their progress for a while.
I'm almost at the end of month 2 and i've noticed some new hairs on my hairline, they aren't particularly visible but yet they're there. My main area of concern is my overly thinned crown, apart from some big bumps and flakey skin there is little else to report.
I'll post a few pictures as soon as my progress is cosmetically apparent and fit for a proper before/after comparison shot.

my crown has come back faster than my temples. so keep at it. your hair will come back

I hope you're right. How long until you noticed a significant difference in your crown?
Here are 2 unforgiving pictures of my head, for baseline reference.
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Will keep updating as it progresses.

Dannyboy wrote:

whodathunkit wrote:Dannyboy, I agree with hiilikeyourbeard...what length needle you get depends on what you want to accomplish.  Also depends on your tolerance for blood and pain.

There is currently a debate in the dermaneedling community about whether or not short needles and more frequent sessions will achieve the same results as deeper needles used in sessions spaced more widely apart.  Consensus has not been reached.  My personal feeling is that both approaches have merit and mixing them may be the best way to go, at least for anti-aging results on non-scalp skin.

Regardless, 1.0mm needles aren't really considered short.  "Short" seems to top out at 0.5mm.

1.0mm is less painful than 1.5mm which in turn is less painful than 2.0mm.  You will also bleed more the longer needle you use.  Don't ever go above 2.0mm, though.  No point.  I say that because I've seen some 3.0mm rollers on ebay.  Just damn.  

As far as where you can get good ones...I like this place:

http://shop.owndoc.com/product-list.php?dermaneedling-pg1-cid48.html

It's in Europe and I'm in the States, but the merchandise is high-quality, the customer service is excellent, and my merchandise always arrives in a timely manner, so I always go there when I need needling supplies.  They stand behind what they sell.  Plus, they have the best selection I've ever seen for different types of needling devices.  And the site is good for advice on what to choose, how to use it, and how to care for it after you've used it.

Thanks for the answer - the thing is I always read on the web-sites that 0.5 is for hair loss, on the other hand most say 1.0-1.5 is more effective. I don't know if the recommended 0.5 its for using 3-4 times a week and that's why there is no need for more than 0.5.
I use it once a week, also use a topical and LLLT 3 times a week, I wonder if its more effective to use it right after LLLt, and again - what would be the right once to use 0.5-1.5. I guess I will stay with 1.5 but I will look for some other brand.  

Are you even working on loosening your scalp? You always have a shaky answer when me or slowmoe ask you if your scalp is loose... You do know that having a loose scalp is the key to this process, right? Everything else is pretty much secondary....