I dont think DHT is the cause of hairloss

SlowMoe wrote:Please tell me who's gonna fund a study like that? Find me another study proving it doesn't...

I already did like 3 pages ago... why are you people ignoring that study!?!!?

Guys I think it's time to let the troll stew a bit, debating about the pathology of mpb with him is like trying to talk about polotics with a republican. He's not learning anything, and all we're learning is stuff that we knew before.

2020 regarding that study, hair still needs the proper growth medium, envorinment, and stimulis to stay alive, especially scalp hair, the skin and subcutanous tissue beneath it isn't anywhere near the same. The results mean very little, you can't seriously take that study for face value, can you?

aGuys I think it's time to let the troll stew a bit, debating about the pathology of mpb with him is like trying to talk about polotics with a republican. He's not learning anything, and all we're learning is stuff that we knew before.

I'm not a troll and why do you have to politicize everything? how old are you?

a
2020 regarding that study, hair still needs the proper growth medium, envorinment, and stimulis to stay alive, especially scalp hair, the skin and subcutanous tissue beneath it isn't anywhere near the same. The results mean very little, you can't seriously take that study for face value, can you?

then how come hair follicles FROM THE DONOR REGION grew just fine??? EXPLAIN ME THAT!

Speaking of ignorance, wha't's your excuse for ignoring what I posted regarding the implications of elevated PGD2, and earlier in this post the information on the upregulation of androgen receptors via inflammation?

All of this would make sense if you done the due dilligence of some simple research ...

aSpeaking of ignorance, wha't's your excuse for ignoring what I posted regarding the implications of elevated PGD2, and earlier in this post the information on the upregulation of androgen receptors via inflammation?

All of this would make sense if you done the due dilligence of some simple research ...

where is the study? so far I haven't seen any spicks so what's up?

Why don't you go through my posts and find the study? I'm not doing your legwork.

As for the pictures, there's a hell of a lot of posts to look through and I'm not too bothered on changing your mind. You want it? send CS a PM, he'll be glad to share.

LawOfThelema wrote:

Regarding PGD2 not being elevated all over the body, I don't recall ever saying it was ... you're ignoring what PGD2 indicates in the first place ... infection, derp?

It indicates an inflammation localized to where the PGD2 is being released. Infection and inflammation are not identical. Infections cause inflammation but the presense of inflammation does not automatically mean infection.

This isn't entirely true ... there are a lot of things besides infection that can cause inflammation, but when you trace the cord back to the wall infection is always involved.

A > R,

You don't believe inflammation could be incited just by adverse lipid metabolism or immune reaction to something besides bacteria, such as foreign proteins? Trust me, I agree with you 100% in this snuffing out 2020. I just was curious about this last comment. You can get back with me when finished with troll stomping.

2020,
I agree that there is a set point with hair loss determined by genetics, but like others have said. Genes are not your phenotypic destiny, and hair loss can be controlled and reversed epigenetically. DHT binding to the androgen receptor is not the only process occurring in hair loss. There is an inflammatory attack on the hair follicle occurring that can be modulated with diet and proper supplementation. I am not at all blaming you for wanting proof, I can understand that. It's more about the way you are going about it that's putting you in a hole here.

anthonyspencer54 wrote:A > R,

You don't believe inflammation could be incited just by adverse lipid metabolism or immune reaction to something besides bacteria, such as foreign proteins? Trust me, I agree with you 100% in this snuffing out 2020. I just was curious about this last comment. You can get back with me when finished with troll stomping.

2020,
I agree that there is a set point with hair loss determined by genetics, but like others have said. Genes are not your phenotypic destiny, and hair loss can be controlled and reversed epigenetically. DHT binding to the androgen receptor is not the only process occurring in hair loss. There is an inflammatory attack on the hair follicle occurring that can be modulated with diet and proper supplementation. I am not at all blaming you for wanting proof, I can understand that. It's more about the way you are going about it that's putting you in a hole here.

you people have been doing chelation/thyroid correcting or whatever for the past 5 years. SHOW ME THE RESULTS! If there were any results, there would be a seperate forum called "success stories" but there isn't because an empty success forum is bad for business...

ya I dont think 2020 is a bad guy, I would want proof too and I dont blame him. Hair loss is a bitch to control so I can see where he is coming from.

blueman99 wrote:ya I dont think 2020 is a bad guy, I would want proof too and I dont blame him. Hair loss is a bitch to control so I can see where he is coming from.

how am I a bad guy??

These people PROPOSE something. They then sell the supposed TREATMENTS but where are the results???

Couldn't resist.

2020 wrote:
you do realize that the links to all those products on the main page have this attached: "?at=hil335"

which means that everytime IHerb.com makes a sale, a portion of that money goes to whoever hil335 is which I'm sure is one of the admins of this forum...

Is that true?

http://www.immortalhair.org/iherbcouponcodehil335.htm

It's a coupon code that will save you five dollars, and also goes towards whoever gives you the code's Iherb membership. Other users have had similar codes as their signatures, it's nothing diabolical as 2020 was making it out to be.

ahttp://www.immortalhair.org/iherbcouponcodehil335.htm

It's a coupon code that will save you five dollars, and also goes towards whoever gives you the code's Iherb membership. Other users have had similar codes as their signatures, it's nothing diabolical as 2020 was making it out to be.

the owner of this site makes money off of every sale - FACT
Of course it's in his best interest to promote "alternative" tools since he wouldn't be making money otherwise!

Pssst... How much do you think big pharma marks up the prices of the big three? You really think you can compare that to cs handing out hours of free advice? He openly advocates finding out what will help for the individual, rather than promoting his preferred supplements.

whether someone makes money on something doesnt really matter. if it works then make money off it. if it doesnt work and someone thinks it does, then well thats there problem. IH provides reasoning for all their supplments that they sell. its your responsibility as a consumer to find if you think those reasonings are persuassive enough.

aPssst... How much do you think big pharma marks up the prices of the big three? You really think you can compare that to cs handing out hours of free advice? He openly advocates finding out what will help for the individual, rather than promoting his preferred supplements.

This crap does not work or at least isn't very effective if at all!! You grew a couple hair on your already bald scalp. bravo! you're a success story....

You obviously haven't seen pictures of my hair : )

Oh man he's still at it? When we buy from iherb using CS's code, we give him discounts on purchases from that site. Why would he want discounts if he didn't think they worked?

aYou obviously haven't seen pictures of my hair : )

no I haven't.... show them to me.

Look for em. Also, thanks for that tasteful new PM asking to see my "penis", it was ... Tasteful?

A > R,

That was from me, my bad.

Anthony, what was from who now?

Only kidding. I was talking about that last PM you said you received.