Re: Vitamin C Protects Against Coronavirus

theseeker86 Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:02 am

For those that just have access to the usual ascorbic acid Vit C is there any chance of it doing harm to kidneys in high dose? like preventing them from clearing?

CausticSymmetry Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:01 am

NDW wrote:The Virginia Commonwealth Medical School has published some really good articles about the therapeutic value of vitamin C for sepsis, which is ultimately what would kill a COVID-19 patient, or at least play a major role.

https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/12/2/292

https://translational-medicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1479-5876-12-32

I've never seen any study in the 8 decades of research on vitamin C showing any mortality risk.

CausticSymmetry Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:09 am

cryo458 wrote:Thank you CS, for this comprehensive protocol. So what's the recommended daily amount for liposomal Vitamin C?

CausticSymmetry wrote:Many people do not have access to IV (intravenous Vitamin C) and even many Lypopheric C's are difficult to find.

Did find this:

https://amzn.to/3div8pr

For regular, plain ascorbic acid (Vitamin C)

2 grams every 6 minutes until symptoms are gone.

Or 10 grams every 30 minutes until symptoms are gone.

200 mcg of Selenomethionine (not other forms)

https://amzn.to/2QFc5Mq

Vitamin D3 (varies), but vegans will not make enough (need cholesterol sources) or will need pre-activated form. Most people need about 5,000 IU.

Vitamin A (very antiviral)

25,000 IU for at least a month.

Magnesium: 400 mg daily (in malate or chloride form). Many people are deficient in magnesium, because modern agriculture often does not supply adequate magnesium in the soil, and food processing removes magnesium. It is an extremely important nutrient that is essential for hundreds of biochemical pathways. A blood test for magnesium cannot correctly diagnose a deficiency. A long-term deficiency of magnesium can build up in the body that may take 6 months to a year of higher than normal doses to replete.

A very cheap and highly beneficial adjunct for any acute infection, especially viral, is oral magnesium chloride. Amazingly, just as intravenous vitamin C has been shown to cure polio, an oral magnesium chloride regimen has been shown to do the same thing, as or even more effectively than the vitamin C

Nebulized hydrogen peroxide

Thomas E. Levy, MD: "Viral syndromes start or are strongly supported by ongoing viral replication in the naso- and oropharynx. When appropriate agents are nebulized (into a fine spray) and this viral presence is quickly eliminated, the rest of the body "mops up" quite nicely the rest of the viral presence. The worst viral infections are continually fed and sustained by the viral growth in the pharynx. Probably the best and most accessible agent to nebulize would be 3% hydrogen peroxide for 15 to 30 minutes several times daily.

Breathing Brown's Gas

Particularly because Brown’s Gas has already been endorsed for COVID-19 therapy by both the Chinese Government, EU organizations and UK Doctors.

Brown’s Gas (aka HydrOxy or HHO) inhalation has been confirmed helpful to treat the pneumonia caused by coronavirus. Hydrogen molecules do not directly target the new coronavirus, but can eliminate the inflammation caused by the virus, so as to play an auxiliary therapeutic role. The most superior feature is anti-inflammatory and no side effects. Anyone can use it. This is report from national health commission of China.

National Health Commission of the People's Republic of China says "Inhaling mixed 66.6% hydrogen and 33.3% oxygen is advised to treat the covid-19 virus pneumonia.” As #1 on their treatment list.
Original Document
http://www.nhc.gov.cn/xcs/zhengcwj/202003/46c9294a7dfe4cef80dc7f5912eb1989.shtml

English Translation

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=zh-CN&u=https://baike.baidu.com/item/%25E6%2596%25B0%25E5%259E%258B%25E5%2586%25A0%25E7%258A%25B6%25E7%2597%2585%25E6%25AF%2592%25E8%2582%25BA%25E7%2582%258E%25E8%25AF%258A%25E7%2596%2597%25E6%2596%25B9%25E6%25A1%2588%25EF%25BC%2588%25E8%25AF%2595%25E8%25A1%258C%25E7%25AC%25AC%25E4%25B8%2583%25E7%2589%2588%25EF%25BC%2589&prev=search

Confirmation by the European Respiratory Society.
https://vimeo.com/395657458
Skip forward to 34 minutes to see the Chinese Doctor confirming they are using Brown's Gas (aka HydrOxy or HHO) to treat the COVID-19 and it's effectiveness (and see video of it being used).

Note that they don't call it 'Brown's Gas' in China, the say 66% (or 67%) hydrogen, 33% oxygen.

China is now doing a human study using Brown’s Gas to mitigate COVID-19.

More info:

https://hydrogen4health.com/ref/longevitypost/

cryo458 - I'm not certain on the correct dose for Liposomal C, however the body can only absorb as much oral Vitamin C as your limited number of nutrient transporters can carry from the digestive system to the bloodstream, and then from the bloodstream to the cells. Also may depend on the brand.

The amount of non-liposomal Vitamin C absorbed in the blood decreases dramatically as the dose size increases. Of a 20 mg dose, 19 mg (98%) can be absorbed. Of a 12,000 mg dose, only 16% (1,920 mg) is absorbed, with all that excess causing some major gastric distress when it leaves the body.

If the vitamin C in double-layered phospholipid spheres (liposomes) that protect the vitamin through the digestive system and transport it into the bloodstream for absorption in the cells. Some estimate that each gram is 5 to 10 times more effective than plain vitamin C.

Zaphod Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:12 am

theseeker86 wrote:For those that just have access to the usual ascorbic acid Vit C is there any chance of it doing harm to kidneys in high dose? like preventing them from clearing?

If you are referring to kidney stones, this happens to people prone to these abnormalities, however it was not even proven this was due to ascorbic acid. Oxalate foods can be the trigger as less than optimal functioning parathyroid gland...

The kidneys will likely improve from high dose C.

theseeker86 Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:25 am

Zaphod wrote:
If you are referring to kidney stones, this happens to people prone to these abnormalities, however it was not even proven this was due to ascorbic acid. Oxalate foods can be the trigger as less than optimal functioning parathyroid gland...

The kidneys will likely improve from high dose C.

Ever since Vit c started getting more attention with this virus I've seen various "experts" saying high vit c can sometimes cause renal failure/oxalate nephropathy. Seems at odds with everything that's been said though.

CausticSymmetry Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:46 am

theseeker86 wrote:
Zaphod wrote:
If you are referring to kidney stones, this happens to people prone to these abnormalities, however it was not even proven this was due to ascorbic acid. Oxalate foods can be the trigger as less than optimal functioning parathyroid gland...

The kidneys will likely improve from high dose C.

Ever since Vit c started getting more attention with this virus I've seen various "experts" saying high vit c can sometimes cause renal failure/oxalate nephropathy. Seems at odds with everything that's been said though.

Mainstream media has been on a vitamin assault for a longtime (without any adequate proof).

They are the long arm of the pharmaceutical cartel.

As Zaphod inferred, vitamin C is protective of the kidneys. Some proof below.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v15n18.shtml

imprisoned-radical Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:16 pm

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07K8QLGHN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Is this a good liposomal vitamin C supplement? The ingredients are listed as Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbyl Oleate, Cetyl Ascorbate, Sunflower lecithin, Phosphatidylcholine.

Jdp710 Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:19 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:
theseeker86 wrote:
Zaphod wrote:
If you are referring to kidney stones, this happens to people prone to these abnormalities, however it was not even proven this was due to ascorbic acid. Oxalate foods can be the trigger as less than optimal functioning parathyroid gland...

The kidneys will likely improve from high dose C.

Ever since Vit c started getting more attention with this virus I've seen various "experts" saying high vit c can sometimes cause renal failure/oxalate nephropathy. Seems at odds with everything that's been said though.

Mainstream media has been on a vitamin assault for a longtime (without any adequate proof).

They are the long arm of the pharmaceutical cartel.

As Zaphod inferred, vitamin C is protective of the kidneys. Some proof below.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v15n18.shtml

Exactly. Honestly, I’m still very shocked they shut down the economies of the world. All the while they tell everyone that masks don’t work.

Everything the media tells me I generally think, what’s the underlying motive behind it. Everything they say, everything they do has an agenda. There are already very well known treatments that are found to work. Has anyone with coronavirus died when given iv vitamin c. It is even being shown to prevent infection. Iodine placed inside the nose prevents getting viral infection. This was known back in 40’s. Thieves oil may work too. Posted earlier, doctor treated 350 in NY at first sign of infection and all did well. I just finished hearing on TV that more research needs to be done on that malaria, antibiotic and zinc combo.

This is all either extreme manipulation or extreme incompetence in the highest levels.

A post from twitter

“When did the government suddenly care so much about your health? Don’t they leave you to die on the battlefield and children to starve all around the world?? WHY ALL THE SUDDEN ARE THEY SO CONCERNED ABOUT CORONA? The Truth is it’s One Big Agenda...”

Back in 08, the banks crashed the economies of the world because they demanded a bail out. Financial terrorism. The moment they were given the bailout, they stopped crashing the world economies. Same happening now. Appears anywhere that doesn’t take this serious, gets hit hard with coronavirus. NY didn’t take it serious. Then they were hit hard. Florida didn’t take it serious from all the spring break kids, now they are hit hard. New Orleans, same. I strongly suspect chemtrails.

Jdp710 Sun Mar 29, 2020 1:50 pm

imprisoned-radical wrote:https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07K8QLGHN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Is this a good liposomal vitamin C supplement? The ingredients are listed as Ascorbyl Palmitate, Ascorbyl Oleate, Cetyl Ascorbate, Sunflower lecithin, Phosphatidylcholine.

I don’t want to answer for CS but my experience and from some info, I like the standard ascorbic acid. Just buy a lot. If you get ill, you’ll take massive doses. I think buying enough in quantity is most important rather than guessing which liposomal brand is good or doing a diy liposomal vitamin c. There were some liposomal brands that were good and CS posted one but the good ones are out of stock. But my thinking I think many underestimate just how much they’ll need if they get sick. That’s why I would say just buy a ton of ascorbic acid. Can also mix with baking soda if you wish. Maybe this one I’d personally use https://www.amazon.com/Ascorbic-Antioxidant-Smoothie-Pharmaceutical-Friendly/dp/B01HFOJBG2/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=Ascorbic+acid+powder&qid=1585450383&s=hpc&sr=1-4

CausticSymmetry Sun Mar 29, 2020 3:47 pm

Note the time on this:

https://www.facebook.com/PeopleOverPolitics/videos/232918194438591/

Also did you know that vaccine-derived polioviruses recombine with other RNA enteroviruses to form new pathogenic strains?

“Results suggested that recombination may be, in conjunction with mutations, implicated in the phenotypic diversity of enterovirus strains and in the emergence of new pathogenic strains.".

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3185806/

Zaphod Sun Mar 29, 2020 11:29 pm

Currently, I have large supply of pharma grade ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate. If things get nasty, 5kg will be used by my family.

Liposomes are likely not even needed.

Jdp710 Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:11 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:Note the time on this:

https://www.facebook.com/PeopleOverPolitics/videos/232918194438591/

When this came out in China, I did a bunch of research. Back in Oct or so, China enacted a law talked about everyone needing to be vaccinated. Something like forced vaccinations. Right before the coronavirus outbreak. Hard to find info now but there is this video still up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_CauB35jo

I could go on about the conspiracy theories but there are definetely very good treatment options that are working making this coronavirus a nothing event. The dr is up to 699 patients. 4 developed pneumonia. That was all. Reading the thread is interesting. Click show this thread https://mobile.twitter.com/DougDeibele/status/1243578287332265985

This coronavirus outbreak is done for an agenda. Any good treatment options will be hidden until they want it revealed. Some are suggesting lockdown for months. Or even 12 months. Callyour credit card. Try to get payment deferral. I have about 10 credit cards. Quite a few of them you can’t get hold of. And that was even before they closed their call centers. Before the lockdown went througout the nation and world. One, citibank, they say 20 minute wait, then hang up on you. For 2 weeks now.
If the stock market falls lower than these recent lows, it could be financial armageddeon.

Dudard Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:35 am

There are people who agree with us. We have to share these ideas so it is included in the national narrative so others can learn and feel free to contribute to the discussion. Here's a site that can be shared. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjUOpvmDE7k&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3eH-p7v_HcOlTZAu_W7ZeVUG1rvx2cBhOkwAFA24lHVF2tGryzUD_4rYY

NDW Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:28 am

Dudard wrote:There are people who agree with us. We have to share these ideas so it is included in the national narrative so others can learn and feel free to contribute to the discussion. Here's a site that can be shared. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjUOpvmDE7k&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3eH-p7v_HcOlTZAu_W7ZeVUG1rvx2cBhOkwAFA24lHVF2tGryzUD_4rYY

He missed a keypoint when he was going over the fatality rates. Those percentages are based on people who got tested, and most people in contact with the virus don't get tested. Therefore these numbers in reality are much lower.

fumanchu Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:35 am

I just want to chime in here. Being that coronavirus can severely effect some elderly (not sure of how many), at this point, should we not be adhering to social distancing recommendations to slow this down? I'm by no means a mass media sucker. But now that this is in full steam, would it not be harmful to go about willy nilly spreading this to old people and the immuno compromised that can't handle it? It's nice to do research and be smart and say: "I'm good, I'm supplementing vitamin C and D, and I'm awesome." What about the seniors who you could be spreading this to as a death stroke. Does being healthy mean you're not a 'spreader'? Honest question. I'm not trying to burst anyone's bubble, but North America is not well known for taking a shit load of supplements to be of optimum health to stave off hair loss, following painstaking research. lol.

fumanchu Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:43 am

I mean, viruses don't have legs....and I know they can remain on surfaces for some time and such, but how would the reclusive measures being taken by many not stop the hospitals being overwhelmed? Which is the point. Like, you get hit with corona, you stay home, you keep it from infecting anyone else. It's nice if you're cool, but what about the next guy?

No, you can't find any documentation that social distancing would work because this is the first time I see this being implemented on a wide scale. But how would someone infected staying home spread it? Full disclosure, I'm at home from work in Canada, where I have the privilege of not possibly spreading my disgusting germs.

NDW Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:10 am

fumanchu wrote:I just want to chime in here. Being that coronavirus can severely effect some elderly (not sure of how many), at this point, should we not be adhering to social distancing recommendations to slow this down? I'm by no means a mass media sucker. But now that this is in full steam, would it not be harmful to go about willy nilly spreading this to old people and the immuno compromised that can't handle it? It's nice to do research and be smart and say: "I'm good, I'm supplementing vitamin C and D, and I'm awesome." What about the seniors who you could be spreading this to as a death stroke. Does being healthy mean you're not a 'spreader'? Honest question. I'm not trying to burst anyone's bubble, but North America is not well known for taking a shit load of supplements to be of optimum health to stave off hair loss, following painstaking research. lol.

You cannot stop a virus since they travel in the air. Social distancing is only to slow the spread until the hospitals get equipped to handle everyone. The only way to prevent elderly from getting it is with a vaccine but that's a long way away.

CausticSymmetry Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:21 am

fumanchu wrote:I mean, viruses don't have legs....and I know they can remain on surfaces for some time and such, but how would the reclusive measures being taken by many not stop the hospitals being overwhelmed? Which is the point. Like, you get hit with corona, you stay home, you keep it from infecting anyone else. It's nice if you're cool, but what about the next guy?

No, you can't find any documentation that social distancing would work because this is the first time I see this being implemented on a wide scale. But how would someone infected staying home spread it? Full disclosure, I'm at home from work in Canada, where I have the privilege of not possibly spreading my disgusting germs.

From what I can tell, many places are enforcing social distancing. However, what I do not understand is how this recommendation is being promoted without a shred of evidence. To me, the very notion of both viruses and germs to be avoided is without any basis in reality.

Let me back up just a bit to put that into proper context. In the beginning, it was first observed that after hospital workers were performing autopsies and then subsequently (not washing their hands) and then delivering babies from the womb. Those kinds of germs were from necrotic tissue, which contain toxic by-products.

Also, on a more minor level, if children are playing and spread their excrement and it gets into to food, that would be another example of toxic by-products.

Finally to my point, there are trillions of germs and viruses everywhere, if the transmission mythology were true, we would all be dead long ago. We are mostly made up of microbes, and viruses are in plentiful supply.

Whether the germ theory were true or not, it really matters what the immune system can handle. That translates to quality of sleep, and lifestyle choices.

The media driven hysteria is making a lot of people very nervous, probably disrupting their immune system.

The following video follows along my view point, which is not very popular.

https://youtu.be/LZzIxnCHVDM

NDW Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:26 pm

Koch's postulates are what cemented the germ theory as indisputable. Are you not convinced by them CS?

As far as the trillions of microbes floating around, the overwhelming majority are handled with ease by the immune system. This is seen most easily in patients with severe combined immune deficiency (SCID). They have virtually no immune system and they rarely live to 1 year old. It's universally fatal untreated which shows all the work the immune system does 'behind the scenes.'

CausticSymmetry Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:57 pm

NDW wrote:Koch's postulates are what cemented the germ theory as indisputable. Are you not convinced by them CS?

As far as the trillions of microbes floating around, the overwhelming majority are handled with ease by the immune system. This is seen most easily in patients with severe combined immune deficiency (SCID). They have virtually no immune system and they rarely live to 1 year old. It's universally fatal untreated which shows all the work the immune system does 'behind the scenes.'

Understood, however while that does apply to measles, it actually doesn't prove the germ theory. I could expand on that. But with respect to COVID-19, it does not pass Koch's postulates.

Jdp710 Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:01 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:

The following video follows along my view point, which is not very popular.

https://youtu.be/LZzIxnCHVDM

From the comment section
“I think we're experiencing chem+rail poisoning....I walked for 2 hours yesterday and started coughing up a lung and my heart was racing, shortly after.”

Looks like my city is not the only one. Spend enough time outside, gets in your eyes and lungs. A never ending mild cough. Wash your eyes and it burns like nothing I’ve gone through.

It’s interesting the number of police officers in NJ and NYC who are said to be sick. They spend lots of time outside.

In Wuhan, they not only used people spraying a fog on the streets but also semi truck sized giant foggers spraying a material directly in the air. The fog contained substances they knew killed SARS from 20 years ago. The people that were fine one minute and then literally collapsed and died the next minute were in wuhan. They were were all outdoors.

Jdp710 Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:53 pm

Pretty sure they will kill more people by shutting down the world’s economy than coronavirus ever will. This is all one big false flag. Something is going on behind the scenes.

From twitter

James Todaro, MD
@JamesTodaroMD
·
6h
Update on patients treated w/ HCQ + AZ at the Méditerranée Infection Hospital in France:

COVID-19 patients NOT treated w/ HCQ+AZ: 985
Deaths: 12 (1.2%)

COVID-19 patients treated w/ HCQ+AZ: 1003
Deaths: 1 (0.1%)

NDW Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:10 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:
NDW wrote:Koch's postulates are what cemented the germ theory as indisputable. Are you not convinced by them CS?

As far as the trillions of microbes floating around, the overwhelming majority are handled with ease by the immune system. This is seen most easily in patients with severe combined immune deficiency (SCID). They have virtually no immune system and they rarely live to 1 year old. It's universally fatal untreated which shows all the work the immune system does 'behind the scenes.'

Understood, however while that does apply to measles, it actually doesn't prove the germ theory. I could expand on that. But with respect to COVID-19, it does not pass Koch's postulates.

Are you saying that Koch's postulates hold for some cases but that too many things are assumed to be causative agents of disease under the germ theory? And yes, COVID-19 is far from being definitively proven as the causative agent of anything (hasn't passed Koch's postulates).

NDW Mon Mar 30, 2020 6:18 pm

Jdp710 wrote:Pretty sure they will kill more people by shutting down the world’s economy than coronavirus ever will. This is all one big false flag. Something is going on behind the scenes.

From twitter

James Todaro, MD
@JamesTodaroMD
·
6h
Update on patients treated w/ HCQ + AZ at the Méditerranée Infection Hospital in France:

COVID-19 patients NOT treated w/ HCQ+AZ: 985
Deaths: 12 (1.2%)

COVID-19 patients treated w/ HCQ+AZ: 1003
Deaths: 1 (0.1%)

The worst part of all this is when you hear these filthy beaurocrats saying no you can't have this or that treatment because it hasn't passed the FDA's gold standard for safety and efficacy, aka the three-phase clinical trial. They always try to pervert and complicate basic observation: 20 people are mortally ill; 20 people take experimental substance; 20 people cured = +/- a cure. But not according to the FDA.

CausticSymmetry Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:30 am

Interesting info with many posts above.

So far from this thread, we have compiled a few potential causative factors:

"Persistent contrails" (chemical poisoning from the sky)
Noxious smog (possibly to control dissent)
Vaccinations either performed in China or the Flu shot in general, containing the toxins.
5G (causes depleted hemoglobin and lower Vitamin D).
Being a medical insider I can attest to two facts:
(1) At least in the hospitals I've visited in the last 3 weeks, there are plenty of
COVID-19 testers...however, the hospitals themselves are very low traffic, parking lots
nearly empty and the testers themselves? They are on their cellphones with nothing,
no one is being tested from my own eyes. Perhaps they are there to brace for impact, but
there is none...at least in the areas I am in.

Final point (2) According to official administration documents, the cause of death "should be
presumed COVID-19" if symptoms prior to death are exhibited....that's without testing.

On top of that, the tests themselves are hardly reliable.

NDW - Regarding Koch's postulates, yes what you said is exactly on point.
With respect to measles which does pass "KP" think of it as a shedding process. But also, interesting about the measles if that when people are vaccinated with the measles they shed for weeks at a time, infecting others.
In the case of many other viral diseases, there is no spreading risk.

When I was growing up, getting the chicken pox and measles was just a right of passage, nothing to fear.
And it is known that these were/are protective, with lifetime immunity. Hence, chicken pox and measles parties.

Once Big pHarma got complete blanket immunity from the government with their dangerous va$$ines, that's when the major propaganda began.

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