Supposed Regrowth Protocol

SonofOdin wrote:I'm 23, and no, I work part-time min wage and cannot afford IH regimen. My hair loss comes at a difficult time when I've been dealing with other issues. It was sort of the tipping point and now I find it hard to seek out a second part time job as well as sign up for college... this regimen here is my last attempt before I leave this hair thing behind for good. IH's regimen can take up to a year to see results, but my father lost almost the entirety of his hair in a single year once mpb triggered, and I firmly believe I am seeing a daily eradication of my hair follicles that many have told me cannot even occur this quickly... anyway this regimen is supposed to receive the bulk of its results in 3 months, we shall see what occurs. Even if I fail I'll try to post back for the courtesy of others.

There is a problem though. This regimen is aimed, among other things, at fixing hormonal imbalances.
By taking a 5-AR inhibitor (like propecia) you are creating a huge imbalance in your androgen hormones, and Taeian said that the point of the regimen is to get rid of those band-aid solutions to MPB that don't work as much as they wouldn't if DHT was really the culprit.

So I understand how scared you might be to stop propecia, but if I understood correctly you're only 5 days into it right ?
Why not wait 3 months and give this regimen a proper try before jumping back on it if it fails ?

Doing the regimen while taking hormonal medication defeats its purpose. I have no idea if the regimen works or not, only one day into it so far, but if you take Taeian's word for it, you need to choose between propecia or this regimen.

I second what Manoko is saying. Taking both together doesn't really make sense.

hope you find what works for you. Fin definitely helped me maintain and regrow a bit in my 20s. Stuff I do now is kicking the crap out of those results now though.
Fin also came whit a slew of slow onset side effects. Didn't think I had any until I quit it. Looking back it was just so gradual I never noticed.


I wouldn't recommend anyone take it, but I understand the panic and like I said it did help me control things until I was ready to try other ways. There wasn't this much discussion and information back then though....

Yeah I probably should try one or the other. Finasteride has a whole slew of possible negative side effects... but this regimen at the zinc doses it's at, doubles the risk of prostate cancer I've read. I've missed one dosage of fina while I think through this.

It does seem like a lot of zinc.

ya but these dosage levels are only for a couple months and then you back off....

I'd be curious to see that prostate study. A lot of the time those studies are poorly done and the people on them aren't given proper co-factors to deal with the heavy laod of supplementation which obviously throws things out of whack.

I messaged Taeian directly on this and linked the study http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/95/13/1004.long

These were his thoughts:

Bullshir study not even a study but a assumption... They asked and guessed there zinc intake... That'd not what u call a controlled study.

It's the same with Vitamin a scare. Even in the study it self says this.


( 3 ). Several findings that link zinc with the suppression of prostate cancer cell growth ( 4 – 6 ) and inhibition of prostate tumor cell invasion ( 7 , 8 ) suggest that high intraprostatic zinc levels may protect against prostate carcinogenesis.

Zinc helps.prostate cancer and if even one man got prostate cancer from High dose zinc it wasn't the zinc. How do we know he didn't eat McDonalds all day with crpa nutrients . we need boron to also support prostate n anti cancer proven. So how do we know he ate very little boron mineral Maybe

It wasn't controlled only way to know is feed rats zinc n fed other rats low zinc.

Don't.forget after month or two zinc is to be lowrwed to 50 mg a day then month later down to 50 mg every other day. Then 50 mg twice a week or lesser brand mg and 20 ish mg day or less.

On the other forum someone posted this:

"Updated Protocol: http://docs.google.com/document/d/1_...it?usp=sharing

Schedule: http://docs.google.com/document/d/1c...it?usp=sharing

Cheapest Products: http://docs.google.com/document/d/1b...it?usp=sharing"

do those links work for you?

they did when i posted them last night. don't now.

Just thought I'd throw in that I'm trying this protocol out. I've been on it for 5 days now. Will update about my results whether good or bad.

Would following this regimen load your body with heavy metals and create a more toxic systemic environment? From what Ive read, heavy metals are a big part of what deteriorates and ages us. Could anyone weigh in on that? thank you

I cant take my hair loss anymore.. I'm 23 and my hairline has been an NW 2.5 - 3 for the past 4 years but this year my hair started going thin. I started massaging and boar brushing my hair twice a day for 2 months now and I think my hairloss might be getting worse

I seriously cant take this anymore. I feel like shit and feel like everyone looks down on me. I need to get on a regimen. Would you guys suggest I try this one or the IH one?

(I wont take propecia, whats the god damn point. My hairloss is pretty much at the point of no return. Before the thinning I would have considered a hair transplant.)

nicks wrote:I cant take my hair loss anymore.. I'm 23 and my hairline has been an NW 2.5 - 3 for the past 4 years but this year my hair started going thin. I started massaging and boar brushing my hair twice a day for 2 months now and I think my hairloss might be getting worse

I seriously cant take this anymore. I feel like shit and feel like everyone looks down on me. I need to get on a regimen. Would you guys suggest I try this one or the IH one?

(I wont take propecia, whats the god damn point. My hairloss is pretty much at the point of no return. Before the thinning I would have considered a hair transplant.)

You've got nothing to lose (except money and time), I would try this regimen in your place, and try it religeously (most of the supplements if not all, following the doses of the protocol, as well as a diet with no grains and low carb until you stop shedding and see regrowth).

I am in the same boat, 22 years old, following the regimen for 1 week now (but only 5 days zero grains low carb), and all I can say is most of my itch is gone.
Shedding may be slowing but I am not sure, need more time to assess.

nicks wrote:I cant take my hair loss anymore.. I'm 23 and my hairline has been an NW 2.5 - 3 for the past 4 years but this year my hair started going thin. I started massaging and boar brushing my hair twice a day for 2 months now and I think my hairloss might be getting worse

I seriously cant take this anymore. I feel like shit and feel like everyone looks down on me. I need to get on a regimen. Would you guys suggest I try this one or the IH one?

(I wont take propecia, whats the god damn point. My hairloss is pretty much at the point of no return. Before the thinning I would have considered a hair transplant.)

Nicks, if I were in your situation, and I had the cash, I'd get on this, or the IH regimen - also, I'd jump on the DT bandwagon like there's no tomorrow.

I suggest hopping onto this regimen. It cost me $130-140 to get started for 2-3 months which may seem like a lot but if anything it has bought me a few months of not feeling so helpless and that I am fighting back. Whether it works or not, guess we'll see but the benefit of this regimen is the creator believes the bulk of the regrowth occurs in the first 3 months, so you'll find out rather quick if this is a fit for you.

Is the low carb diet part of this regimen or something extra?

Very crucial part of the regimen. Limit your carbs to a max of 100g a day, and avoid all wheat.

lookalike wrote:Would following this regimen load your body with heavy metals and create a more toxic systemic environment? From what Ive read, heavy metals are a big part of what deteriorates and ages us. Could anyone weigh in on that? thank you

The protocol is detoxifying with the use of iodine, and the creator believes due to copper pipes and deficiencies in certain other minerals, that we carry too much copper which in turn leads to having too much estrogen. So zinc and molybdenum are used to displace copper. Overall I don't think it'd lead to such a toxic environment but I'm still catching up to the research.

Lol @ the boron + niacinamide topical. my temples are orange!!!

Stress hormones will kill your hair and low carb is a good way to increase them. Eat fruit, not wheat. Fruit is "good carbs". Whatever that means.

Anyone else trying this regimen? I've been on it for a few days now, obviously too early to see any effects on hair, but I've been feeling pretty good. My workout today was the best I've had I years. I've tried a lot of the supplements in the past, but this is the first time I've done high dose coconut oil (5 to 7 tblsps daily) and I'm thinking that must be giving me some extra energy. I took some before pics my first day, if I see any hair results Ill be sure to post.

I'm curious about where this guy came up with such a protocol. As others have mentioned, the ideas are similar, if not exactly the same, to IH's protocol and everything he has been saying

I've been doing it a little while now. It's making my regrowth speed up like crazy. Still doing DT and massage as well.

why did he make it? maybe this is just what ended up working for him? I have tried most of these thing sin the past but not always at the same time or at these doses. I've never had my hair coming in this fast before either. New terminal ones almost every day some of them well below my hairline.

That's great! What topicals are you using Duke?

I use emu oil that I've added coq10 and a little saw palmetto to before bed along with a squirt of magnesium oil along with some castor oil.

Using nizoral every couple days or Bronner's peppermint. I spray diluted acv/water mix on after showers and work it in then leave it to dry.

I don't do the paste of niacinamide and boron that is part of the protocol but I do have a spray bottle with it inside and I spray that on once a day.

Trying to keep my hopes in check, but this is the best reaction I've had in years of all this stuff.

FINGERS CROSSED!

Duketronix wrote:I use emu oil that I've added coq10 and a  little saw palmetto to before bed along with a squirt of magnesium oil along with some castor oil.  

Using nizoral every couple days or Bronner's peppermint.  I spray diluted acv/water mix on after showers and work it in then leave it to dry.  

I don't do the paste of niacinamide and boron that is part of the protocol but I do have a spray bottle with it inside and I spray that on once a day.

Trying to keep my hopes in check, but this is the best reaction I've had in years of all this stuff.

FINGERS CROSSED!

How long have you been on the protocol? Ive been at it for about 4 days now