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JamesDean wrote:

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JamesDean wrote:I've been on DT for approximately one month and I can already feel a lot of small hairs coming up on the crown area. I'm not seeing results on temples yet but I've been more focusing on the crown for this first month. So it might be the beginning of a long route to success !
By the way, I was wondering if any of you guys had came up with results as good as Drex's ones ? Because I heard that some of you were having success..
Also what do you guys think of the 30 months window to regrow fallen hair ?

To be honest, I personally don't put too much stock in the 30 month window theory. Drex has had regrowth on areas that were slick for much longer than 30 months.

I have had terminal hairs sprouting in the last month or two in areas along my hairline which haven't had hair for over 10 years. These were not miniaturising hairs, these areas had nothing but very tiny vellus hairs on them. Every month or so I'm seeing new terminals popping up - they're blond so they're hard to spot, but they're definitely not vellus anymore.

Now, I should clarify, that these few terminals are nothing cosmetically significant yet - but if I can get those few back, why can't I get the others back too? That's the theory, the practice is gonna take longer to demonstrate :-)

Well that's already good news for you ! Did you stop your overall shedding ? Are you on supps as well ? I believe Drex isn't on anything except DT. It would be awesome to see another one having as much success as Drex !

My overall shedding stopped about 6 or 7 years ago when all my hair fell out   That's why I can be so calm about this whole thing, because it certainly can't get any worse. For me, I am more or less starting from scratch aside from a few struggling terminals in the vertex region (I think that's what it's called) - the little 'island' at the top.

Here's the thing though - if I hadn't lost all my hair, I don't know that I would've learnt as much about myself as I know now. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you can let go, you know? It was a hell of a bumpy ride, I'll be honest, one that I wouldn't wish on any man. But here I am, still alive.

And guess what? The friends I have know me as a bald guy and they still like me - that means a lot to me.

Having said all that, I have always had this feeling that going bald is just not right, a kind of indignation rises up within me and goes, 'that's not who I really am'. Some would probably call that 'denial', but I don't know - I accept it, but at the same time I don't want to just lie down and take it, if that makes any sense at all .....

Well keep faith and I'm sure you'll be able to regrow some hair ! It's crazy how loosing your hair makes you understand so much other things about health itself (unless you go on finasteride and don't ask any question to yourself...)

True that - and thanks for the encouragement...

Have you regrown terminal/vellus hair in areas where it was SLICK bald like how DREXX has done? I'm talking nothing but skin, no tiny hairs.

Hey Complexx - by 'tiny vellus hairs', I mean slick bald. You have to look really closely to even see them. Even though those tiny vellus hairs weren't visible in Drex's pics, they would've been there, it's just that the hair that should've been there had miniaturised to the point where you couldn't see them. Even guys that are cue ball slick have these tiny little vellus hairs, they're just so small that you can't see them unless you're REALLY looking closely.

The vellus I'm talking about is like 1mm in length and has never progressed beyond that until now. Check out Duketronix's pic above - many of those new hairs on the bottom right of the pic are really fine and blond - if you stepped back a few feet, you wouldn't even see them. However, in a couple months time, those are just gonna get thicker and thicker until they get to the point where they look like the healthy hairs in the top left of the pic. (thanks for posting that BTW Duke).

Thanks HP, so it isn't really that the hairs are not there or anything... they're just so tiny in certain cases that you cannot see them with something like an iPhone camera or something else of that nature... Hmmm. So would you say that some of these miniaturized hairs cannot be detected with a microscopic camera either until you start seeing results from manuals?

Hairy Potter wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

JamesDean wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

JamesDean wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

JamesDean wrote:I've been on DT for approximately one month and I can already feel a lot of small hairs coming up on the crown area. I'm not seeing results on temples yet but I've been more focusing on the crown for this first month. So it might be the beginning of a long route to success !
By the way, I was wondering if any of you guys had came up with results as good as Drex's ones ? Because I heard that some of you were having success..
Also what do you guys think of the 30 months window to regrow fallen hair ?

To be honest, I personally don't put too much stock in the 30 month window theory. Drex has had regrowth on areas that were slick for much longer than 30 months.

I have had terminal hairs sprouting in the last month or two in areas along my hairline which haven't had hair for over 10 years. These were not miniaturising hairs, these areas had nothing but very tiny vellus hairs on them. Every month or so I'm seeing new terminals popping up - they're blond so they're hard to spot, but they're definitely not vellus anymore.

Now, I should clarify, that these few terminals are nothing cosmetically significant yet - but if I can get those few back, why can't I get the others back too? That's the theory, the practice is gonna take longer to demonstrate :-)

Well that's already good news for you ! Did you stop your overall shedding ? Are you on supps as well ? I believe Drex isn't on anything except DT. It would be awesome to see another one having as much success as Drex !

My overall shedding stopped about 6 or 7 years ago when all my hair fell out   That's why I can be so calm about this whole thing, because it certainly can't get any worse. For me, I am more or less starting from scratch aside from a few struggling terminals in the vertex region (I think that's what it's called) - the little 'island' at the top.

Here's the thing though - if I hadn't lost all my hair, I don't know that I would've learnt as much about myself as I know now. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you can let go, you know? It was a hell of a bumpy ride, I'll be honest, one that I wouldn't wish on any man. But here I am, still alive.

And guess what? The friends I have know me as a bald guy and they still like me - that means a lot to me.

Having said all that, I have always had this feeling that going bald is just not right, a kind of indignation rises up within me and goes, 'that's not who I really am'. Some would probably call that 'denial', but I don't know - I accept it, but at the same time I don't want to just lie down and take it, if that makes any sense at all .....

Well keep faith and I'm sure you'll be able to regrow some hair ! It's crazy how loosing your hair makes you understand so much other things about health itself (unless you go on finasteride and don't ask any question to yourself...)

True that - and thanks for the encouragement...

Have you regrown terminal/vellus hair in areas where it was SLICK bald like how DREXX has done? I'm talking nothing but skin, no tiny hairs.

Hey Complexx - by 'tiny vellus hairs', I mean slick bald. You have to look really closely to even see them. Even though those tiny vellus hairs weren't visible in Drex's pics, they would've been there, it's just that the hair that should've been there had miniaturised to the point where you couldn't see them. Even guys that are cue ball slick have these tiny little vellus hairs, they're just so small that you can't see them unless you're REALLY looking closely.

The vellus I'm talking about is like 1mm in length and has never progressed beyond that until now. Check out Duketronix's pic above - many of those new hairs on the bottom right of the pic are really fine and blond - if you stepped back a few feet, you wouldn't even see them. However, in a couple months time, those are just gonna get thicker and thicker until they get to the point where they look like the healthy hairs in the top left of the pic. (thanks for posting that BTW Duke).

Thanks HP, so it isn't really that the hairs are not there or anything... they're just so tiny in certain cases that you cannot see them with something like an iPhone camera or something else of that nature... Hmmm. So would you say that some of these miniaturized hairs cannot be detected with a microscopic camera either until you start seeing results from manuals?

No worries man - Yes, the hairs don't die IMO, they just miniaturise into insignificance. No, I think you can see them with the naked eye, depending on the lighting because they're very thin and blond. You'll definitely pick them up with a microscope camera.

Actually, I reckon a microscope camera would really be helpful to see how these vellus hairs transition into terminals again over time - it's an experiment I've been wanting to do for some time now, but haven't got around to buying a microscope camera yet. As far as I know, GBP2000 has done this.

I'll see if I can give you an example when I get a chance. Last time I tried to take really up close pics of vellus hairs with my iPhone, it came out blurry because of the autofocus. I'll try take one at say 1ft so you can see how the skin looks slick bald, and then up close if I can to show the tiny vellus hairs.

Complexx wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

JamesDean wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

JamesDean wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

JamesDean wrote:I've been on DT for approximately one month and I can already feel a lot of small hairs coming up on the crown area. I'm not seeing results on temples yet but I've been more focusing on the crown for this first month. So it might be the beginning of a long route to success !
By the way, I was wondering if any of you guys had came up with results as good as Drex's ones ? Because I heard that some of you were having success..
Also what do you guys think of the 30 months window to regrow fallen hair ?

To be honest, I personally don't put too much stock in the 30 month window theory. Drex has had regrowth on areas that were slick for much longer than 30 months.

I have had terminal hairs sprouting in the last month or two in areas along my hairline which haven't had hair for over 10 years. These were not miniaturising hairs, these areas had nothing but very tiny vellus hairs on them. Every month or so I'm seeing new terminals popping up - they're blond so they're hard to spot, but they're definitely not vellus anymore.

Now, I should clarify, that these few terminals are nothing cosmetically significant yet - but if I can get those few back, why can't I get the others back too? That's the theory, the practice is gonna take longer to demonstrate :-)

Well that's already good news for you ! Did you stop your overall shedding ? Are you on supps as well ? I believe Drex isn't on anything except DT. It would be awesome to see another one having as much success as Drex !

My overall shedding stopped about 6 or 7 years ago when all my hair fell out   That's why I can be so calm about this whole thing, because it certainly can't get any worse. For me, I am more or less starting from scratch aside from a few struggling terminals in the vertex region (I think that's what it's called) - the little 'island' at the top.

Here's the thing though - if I hadn't lost all my hair, I don't know that I would've learnt as much about myself as I know now. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you can let go, you know? It was a hell of a bumpy ride, I'll be honest, one that I wouldn't wish on any man. But here I am, still alive.

And guess what? The friends I have know me as a bald guy and they still like me - that means a lot to me.

Having said all that, I have always had this feeling that going bald is just not right, a kind of indignation rises up within me and goes, 'that's not who I really am'. Some would probably call that 'denial', but I don't know - I accept it, but at the same time I don't want to just lie down and take it, if that makes any sense at all .....

Well keep faith and I'm sure you'll be able to regrow some hair ! It's crazy how loosing your hair makes you understand so much other things about health itself (unless you go on finasteride and don't ask any question to yourself...)

True that - and thanks for the encouragement...

Have you regrown terminal/vellus hair in areas where it was SLICK bald like how DREXX has done? I'm talking nothing but skin, no tiny hairs.

Hey Complexx - by 'tiny vellus hairs', I mean slick bald. You have to look really closely to even see them. Even though those tiny vellus hairs weren't visible in Drex's pics, they would've been there, it's just that the hair that should've been there had miniaturised to the point where you couldn't see them. Even guys that are cue ball slick have these tiny little vellus hairs, they're just so small that you can't see them unless you're REALLY looking closely.

The vellus I'm talking about is like 1mm in length and has never progressed beyond that until now. Check out Duketronix's pic above - many of those new hairs on the bottom right of the pic are really fine and blond - if you stepped back a few feet, you wouldn't even see them. However, in a couple months time, those are just gonna get thicker and thicker until they get to the point where they look like the healthy hairs in the top left of the pic. (thanks for posting that BTW Duke).

Thanks HP, so it isn't really that the hairs are not there or anything... they're just so tiny in certain cases that you cannot see them with something like an iPhone camera or something else of that nature... Hmmm. So would you say that some of these miniaturized hairs cannot be detected with a microscopic camera either until you start seeing results from manuals?

No worries man - Yes, the hairs don't die IMO, they just miniaturise into insignificance. No, I think you can see them with the naked eye, depending on the lighting because they're very thin and blond. You'll definitely pick them up with a microscope camera.

Actually, I reckon a microscope camera would really be helpful to see how these vellus hairs transition into terminals again over time - it's an experiment I've been wanting to do for some time now, but haven't got around to buying a microscope camera yet. As far as I know, GBP2000 has done this.

I'll see if I can give you an example when I get a chance. Last time I tried to take really up close pics of vellus hairs with my iPhone, it came out blurry because of the autofocus. I'll try take one at say 1ft so you can see how the skin looks slick bald, and then up close if I can to show the tiny vellus hairs.

Looking forward to it brother! And yea, I'm sure hairs don't die either. There is evidence to back this up as well...

As for being able to see the hairs with the naked... Don't know if I agree with you there HP. If you take a look at some of drexx's close up pics you will see that there are these "little bumps" where there used to be nothing but skin. Those are definitely hairs making their way out of the skin. I've also seen many pics on the web (close up pics) of people's temples/hairline being slick bald (not a single vellus hair) However, maybe it would be a different story if the people in the pics used a microscope cam.

I always thought the follicles eventually just went dormant and stopped producing new hairs until blood flow was restored and follicles were awaken via stimulation.

Complexx wrote:

JamesDean wrote:Complexx what about you ? You seem to be a leader on this thread

You bet your ass I have, James!   I'm still working my way to a "thick" NW1 status. I was NW2 beforehand btw with thin hair everywhere.

Growdamnit wrote:Let's not pick apart the subject and just stick with the study. It states that regrowth was achieved with 20 minutes morning and night.

NDW wrote:

Growdamnit wrote:Let's not pick apart the subject and just stick with the study. It states that regrowth was achieved with 20 minutes morning and night.

I'm not one to follow the heard....

nidhogge wrote:As someone who's tinkered with prohormones via bodybuilding over the years, I know the effects that mucking with your hormones can do on your hair, energy levels, body... it's no joke.  Even though D3 isn't nearly as potent as those, that doesn't mean that it is necessarily safe in the long-term.  Short-term, internalized D3 has shown nothing but positives.  I can't say much beyond that... I just have a healthy skepticism of supplementing on any steroid.  Much better to stimulate your body to produce what it needs on its own by giving it what it is lacking, imo.

Hali-L wrote:Picked up some topical mag oil to boost this & I'm on k2 internally about 3 weeks already. as far as calcification goes this will be my limit.


Also, Can people please not quote the entire text when posting ??  Its making the thread difficult to read and creates a lot of unnecessary scrolling...

nvmmm wrote:iuyyighghghgkh - I don't know if using Aloe vera topically is useful when talking about hair loss/regrowth. I would just use magnesium oil topically and MSM, Decalcify (magnesium, boron, potassium, vitamin K2) and vitamin D3 internally.

Growdamnit wrote:Since you guys are discussing using magnesium oil topically, I went to the store to get a bottle of it. I dermarolled, then followed it up with a spray of the magnesium oil on each temple. Holy shit did it burn. I mixed it in with emu and castor oil (what I have been using for a while), but nothing EVER burned like magnesium oil. Is this what we should be looking for or is it a good sign at all?

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

Growdamnit wrote:Since you guys are discussing using magnesium oil topically, I went to the store to get a bottle of it. I dermarolled, then followed it up with a spray of the magnesium oil on each temple. Holy shit did it burn. I mixed it in with emu and castor oil (what I have been using for a while), but nothing EVER burned like magnesium oil. Is this what we should be looking for or is it a good sign at all?

Soften the blow by putting the magnesium in a mixture with the castor oil and emu oil

NYJets wrote:I'm pretty sure there was a time when users on this forum(myself included) and others tried Mg Cl topically with little/no results.  

Growdamnit wrote:Since you guys are discussing using magnesium oil topically, I went to the store to get a bottle of it. I dermarolled, then followed it up with a spray of the magnesium oil on each temple. Holy shit did it burn. I mixed it in with emu and castor oil (what I have been using for a while), but nothing EVER burned like magnesium oil. Is this what we should be looking for or is it a good sign at all?

EDIT: Mind you, my temples were full of blood from the dermaroller. I wiped the blood away, then put the oils on. The skin was extremely red and filled with blood. I just can't wrap my head around if this pain/blood is a beneficial factor. The other side of the argument tends to suggest that inflammation is bad.

So, is inflammation from manuals good and diet bad? I'm assuming that is the basics of it.

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

NYJets wrote:I'm pretty sure there was a time when users on this forum(myself included) and others tried Mg Cl topically with little/no results.  

things work together in synergy.

People using it by itself = no result.

You have to use it with things, like liquid MSM, dmso, liquid silica, liquid aloe vera, and more.

it's like making sandwiches, the ingredients by themselves are useless, but when combined, it makes sense.

Growdamnit wrote:

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

Growdamnit wrote:Since you guys are discussing using magnesium oil topically, I went to the store to get a bottle of it. I dermarolled, then followed it up with a spray of the magnesium oil on each temple. Holy shit did it burn. I mixed it in with emu and castor oil (what I have been using for a while), but nothing EVER burned like magnesium oil. Is this what we should be looking for or is it a good sign at all?

Soften the blow by putting the magnesium in a mixture with the castor oil and emu oil

I edited my previous post. If you have any advice, feel free.

It's not the pain that bothers me. I have a high pain tolerance, but when it came to dermarolling, brushing, or anything else I've tried, nothing burned like this. Is it good for magnesium oil to be in my blood stream?