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Complexx,

I only have a 1mm and can't help it that I bleed. It just happens the first time I go over my skin.

if you're bleeding, dont use the mag oil. Helping with penetration INTO the skin is different than opening up wounds and putting salt on them. You're just hurting the regenerative properties of the wounding by doing that.

Mag oil with DMSO, MSM, and a bunch of other things have been tried in the past multiple times by different people. It's nothing new.

It may help with some decalcifying in conjunction with other things.

I've had a bottle of it for years that I use every couple of days (stuff lasts forever) and sometimes I brush my teeth with it too. I am getting good growth happening, but I don't think it's a good idea to focus too much on the mag oil as the key to a regimen. It's been focused on plenty of times and in plenty of ways in the past.

WAnna throw it in there? it's easy and certainly won't hurt (unless you're putting in on open wounds) but I wouldn't make it the crux of my system.

Basically just stick to DT until I don't have to come to this fucking forum anymore? That's the gist of it?

I've posted this before on another topic but cannot copy and paste . Very long story short check out on YouTube lover4naturalbeauty. She makes a shampoo that regrows a tonne of hair on a balding guy in 6 months.  One video tells you how to make it. The other two shows his progress. She refers to it as the green tea coconut shampoo.  Hope you all use it and get the same results. I made my own. A few simple ingredients. Hope this doesnt sound like sn advertisment, I was just so shocked that I had to try it. I'm starting month 3. God bless

Can do more stuff, lord knows I do.

I'm currently doing the protocol from the "supposed regrowth protocol" thread and doing DT and am seeing results like I can't believe. No shedding at all anymore, scalp feels amazing and alive, sleeping better, better appetite, and ridiculously fast regaining terminal hairs along my hairline.

I've been getting them slowly for a long time but now there's literally a new one every frikking day.

MAYBE it's just the DT and massage reaching a point where this happens but based on the other physiological changes I've experienced since I started that supp protocol.... I don't think it's just the DT.

Oh ya, I should mentionI don't use the P5P or the Spiro from the protocol.

Actually wait, there IS P5P and citruline malate in the pre-workout I use sometimes. So I guess I use it every couple days.

I'm only 2 months in DT, but I'm growing impatient. Truly wish this would speed up.   

Duketronix wrote:if you're bleeding, dont use the mag oil.  Helping with penetration INTO the skin is different than opening up wounds and putting salt on them.  You're just hurting the regenerative properties of the wounding by doing that.

Mag oil with DMSO, MSM, and a bunch of other things have been tried in the past multiple times by different people.  It's nothing new.  

It may help with some decalcifying in conjunction with other things.

I've had a bottle of it for years that I use every couple of days (stuff lasts forever) and sometimes I brush my teeth with it too.  I am getting good growth happening, but I don't think it's a good idea to focus too much on the mag oil as the key to a regimen.  It's been focused on plenty of times and in plenty of ways in the past.

WAnna throw it in there?  it's easy and certainly won't hurt (unless you're putting in on open wounds) but I wouldn't make it the crux of my system.

this. mag oil on it's own probably won't do much for you. you have to manually break up the calcification manually. but mag oil is speeding things up so much for me. i have a huge buildup of calcification on one side of my head, which is my worst side. this is breaking it up. but yeah, mag oil on it's own won't do much. but it does soften that buildup. i'd take magnesium internally as well. or eat foods with lots of magnesium (most people are deficient)

Well, Im on my 5 months mark now, I think I am seeing regrowth but not sure. My scalp skin feel much thinner just like what drex said on his previous post, I can pretty much feel every imperfection on my scalp now. For anyone that is seeing regrowth, are you guys getting regrowth along your window peak area?

Duketronix wrote:Can do more stuff,  lord knows I do.

I'm currently doing the protocol from the "supposed regrowth protocol" thread and doing DT and am seeing results like I can't believe.  No shedding at all anymore, scalp feels amazing and alive, sleeping better, better appetite, and ridiculously fast regaining terminal hairs along my hairline.  

I've been getting them slowly for a long time but now there's literally a new one every frikking day.

MAYBE it's just the DT and massage reaching a point where this happens but based on the other physiological changes I've experienced since I started that supp protocol....  I don't think it's just the DT.

Oh ya, I should mentionI don't use the P5P or the Spiro from the protocol.

Duke can you list the stuff your taking from the protocol?

Just a quick update from me. Lately I've been doing a 'heavier finger press' as prescribed in the study, especially at the back of my head, and I've been astonished to feel what I imagine to be the 'thickened skin' also described in the study.

Basically, when I press really hard in certain areas where before there was no give, now it kinda feels like putty which is almost hard.

When I push this in, I can feel little bumps and crevasses in my skull, which I couldn't feel before. Either this is just normal flesh which I just haven't noticed until now, or it is calcified tissue that is being dealt with.

Starting this DT, I felt that the finger press was almost redundant, as I believed that what we were really trying to focus on was blood flow and I felt that the pinching / scrunching was achieving that just fine. Now I believe that the finger press is extremely important, because I understand that the calcification of the scalp is the real culprit here - like Drex mentioned last week sometime (or the week before that?).

Don't neglect the finger press, people :-)

Hairy Potter wrote:Just a quick update from me. Lately I've been doing a 'heavier finger press' as prescribed in the study, especially at the back of my head, and I've been astonished to feel what I imagine to be the 'thickened skin' also described in the study.

Basically, when I press really hard in certain areas where before there was no give, now it kinda feels like putty which is almost hard.

When I push this in, I can feel little bumps and crevasses in my skull, which I couldn't feel before. Either this is just normal flesh which I just haven't noticed until now, or it is calcified tissue that is being dealt with.

Starting this DT, I felt that the finger press was almost redundant, as I believed that what we were really trying to focus on was blood flow and I felt that the pinching / scrunching was achieving that just fine. Now I believe that the finger press is extremely important, because I understand that the calcification of the scalp is the real culprit here - like Drex mentioned last week sometime (or the week before that?).

Don't neglect the finger press, people :-)

I've been doing the exact same thing as you for nearly 2 months now. I have 5 prominent bumps on my vertex, they are so big that people standing close enough can see them. I'm probably a NW 3 (major diffuse thinning, especially around the crown). When I press down onthose bumps it hurts a little, but I keep going. Scalp laxity is up and my head feels much better. Apart from some new long hairs on my hairline I am yet to notice any new regrowth.

CaptainGiggles wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:Just a quick update from me. Lately I've been doing a 'heavier finger press' as prescribed in the study, especially at the back of my head, and I've been astonished to feel what I imagine to be the 'thickened skin' also described in the study.

Basically, when I press really hard in certain areas where before there was no give, now it kinda feels like putty which is almost hard.

When I push this in, I can feel little bumps and crevasses in my skull, which I couldn't feel before. Either this is just normal flesh which I just haven't noticed until now, or it is calcified tissue that is being dealt with.

Starting this DT, I felt that the finger press was almost redundant, as I believed that what we were really trying to focus on was blood flow and I felt that the pinching / scrunching was achieving that just fine. Now I believe that the finger press is extremely important, because I understand that the calcification of the scalp is the real culprit here - like Drex mentioned last week sometime (or the week before that?).

Don't neglect the finger press, people :-)

I've been doing the exact same thing as you for nearly 2 months now. I have 5 prominent bumps on my vertex, they are so  big that people standing close enough can see them. I'm probably a NW 3 (major diffuse thinning, especially around the crown). When I press down onthose bumps it hurts a little, but I keep going. Scalp laxity is up and my head feels much better. Apart from some new long hairs on my hairline I am yet to notice any new regrowth.

Man, what I wouldn't give to be back at NW3 again :-)

Hairy Potter wrote:

CaptainGiggles wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:Just a quick update from me. Lately I've been doing a 'heavier finger press' as prescribed in the study, especially at the back of my head, and I've been astonished to feel what I imagine to be the 'thickened skin' also described in the study.

Basically, when I press really hard in certain areas where before there was no give, now it kinda feels like putty which is almost hard.

When I push this in, I can feel little bumps and crevasses in my skull, which I couldn't feel before. Either this is just normal flesh which I just haven't noticed until now, or it is calcified tissue that is being dealt with.

Starting this DT, I felt that the finger press was almost redundant, as I believed that what we were really trying to focus on was blood flow and I felt that the pinching / scrunching was achieving that just fine. Now I believe that the finger press is extremely important, because I understand that the calcification of the scalp is the real culprit here - like Drex mentioned last week sometime (or the week before that?).

Don't neglect the finger press, people :-)

I've been doing the exact same thing as you for nearly 2 months now. I have 5 prominent bumps on my vertex, they are so  big that people standing close enough can see them. I'm probably a NW 3 (major diffuse thinning, especially around the crown). When I press down onthose bumps it hurts a little, but I keep going. Scalp laxity is up and my head feels much better. Apart from some new long hairs on my hairline I am yet to notice any new regrowth.

Man, what I wouldn't give to be back at NW3 again :-)

I feel you man, but from where I see it, it's far from sunshine and daisies, I also probably overestimated my NW condition . How long have you been DTing for now and what's your regrowth status? Are big bumps supposed to happen? The ones on my head are pretty lumpy, kinda like under scalp pimples. I massage my head consistently for 10 minutes twice a day, and in between whenever I'm free. Somedays it probably adds up to am hour or so, no joke. This MPB is driving me mad.

CaptainGiggles wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

CaptainGiggles wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:Just a quick update from me. Lately I've been doing a 'heavier finger press' as prescribed in the study, especially at the back of my head, and I've been astonished to feel what I imagine to be the 'thickened skin' also described in the study.

Basically, when I press really hard in certain areas where before there was no give, now it kinda feels like putty which is almost hard.

When I push this in, I can feel little bumps and crevasses in my skull, which I couldn't feel before. Either this is just normal flesh which I just haven't noticed until now, or it is calcified tissue that is being dealt with.

Starting this DT, I felt that the finger press was almost redundant, as I believed that what we were really trying to focus on was blood flow and I felt that the pinching / scrunching was achieving that just fine. Now I believe that the finger press is extremely important, because I understand that the calcification of the scalp is the real culprit here - like Drex mentioned last week sometime (or the week before that?).

Don't neglect the finger press, people :-)

I've been doing the exact same thing as you for nearly 2 months now. I have 5 prominent bumps on my vertex, they are so  big that people standing close enough can see them. I'm probably a NW 3 (major diffuse thinning, especially around the crown). When I press down onthose bumps it hurts a little, but I keep going. Scalp laxity is up and my head feels much better. Apart from some new long hairs on my hairline I am yet to notice any new regrowth.

Man, what I wouldn't give to be back at NW3 again :-)

I feel you man, but from where I see it, it's far from sunshine and daisies, I also probably overestimated my NW condition . How long have you been DTing for now and what's your regrowth status? Are big bumps supposed to happen? The ones on my head are pretty lumpy, kinda like under scalp pimples. I massage my head consistently for 10 minutes twice a day, and in between whenever I'm free. Somedays it probably adds up to am hour or so, no joke. This MPB is driving me mad.

Just gone into month 8 and there's not much regrowth to speak of. Actually, that's not true, let's just say that there is more terminal hair, both blond and dark brown, and what appears to be an increase in noticeable vellus (if that makes sense).

I mean, if I compare now to this time last year, there's more terminal hair there (to the trained eye), which is pretty amazing in itself if you're looking at it strictly as a science project - it's just nowhere near where I want it to be, obviously. It's not cosmetically significant at all.

At this rate, if the regrowth even carries on, which I can't guarantee, it'd take at least 5 years just to have something approaching full coverage. Bear in mind though that I'm roughly a NW6.

Yes, Drex and a few other guys have spoken of bumps preceding hair, so it's probably a good sign. If you're NW3, you'll have a relatively easy time getting some good results, I reckon.

boogv510 wrote:Well, Im on my 5 months mark now, I think I am seeing regrowth but not sure. My scalp skin feel much thinner just like what drex said on his previous post, I can pretty much feel every imperfection on my scalp now. For anyone that is seeing regrowth, are you guys getting regrowth along your window peak area?

Hmmm.... The scalp isn't supposed to be thin though. But I can't even question anything about DT because it's harmless and it's helping so many people! Also, Drexx said that his scalp was thicker before..... Wonder if it thinned out again or what?

i find it interesting people starting to report their scalp feeling thinner since this is what i myself observed some months ago. while most guys talked of getting thicker scalps to me it always seemed to feel closer to the bone.

in terms of regrowth: it's growing back. maybe it will take a year or even two until all my hair on the crown and widows peak have grown back to full density (how long does it take for babies to grow a full head of hair?), but at this point i have no doubt that it is going to happen. i don't even monitor it my hairline that closely anymore, when i feel like it i inspect it maybe 1x/week in good lighting and i see noticeable more terminal every time.

I haven't been following this thread but am now becoming interested due to all the chatter.

Just chiming in to say that two of the biggest proponents of manual methods on this forum (PapillaPower and Leon Maliniak) both said that regrowth with manual methods would take at least a year and probably two or more.  So don't get discouraged, Hairy.  Or anyone.   I'd personally like to see someone complete a year with some decent pictures.  Hairy, are you photo-tracking your progress?

Edited to add a question: did any of you guys experience an increase in the oiliness of your scalp when starting this?

whodathunkit wrote:I haven't been following this thread but am now becoming interested due to all the chatter.

Just chiming in to say that two of the biggest proponents of manual methods on this forum (PapillaPower and Leon Maliniak) both said that regrowth with manual methods would take at least a year and probably two or more.  So don't get discouraged, Hairy.  Or anyone.   I'd personally like to see someone complete a year with some decent pictures.  Hairy, are you photo-tracking your progress?

Edited to add a question:  did any of you guys experience an increase in the oiliness of your scalp when starting this?

Leon said it can take AS LONG as a year... Not at least a year. Just wanted to clear that up. It all depends on how long you've been bald/balding for.

This made my scalp less oily. Much less so.

whodathunkit wrote:I haven't been following this thread but am now becoming interested due to all the chatter.

Just chiming in to say that two of the biggest proponents of manual methods on this forum (PapillaPower and Leon Maliniak) both said that regrowth with manual methods would take at least a year and probably two or more.  So don't get discouraged, Hairy.  Or anyone.   I'd personally like to see someone complete a year with some decent pictures.  Hairy, are you photo-tracking your progress?

Edited to add a question:  did any of you guys experience an increase in the oiliness of your scalp when starting this?

Thanks whodathunkit, I appreciate the encouragement :-) Yes, Papilla said it took him 3 years (if I remember correctly) to get to where he was happy with his regrowth, and Margo said that it can take as long to get it back as it took to lose it, which is a shocking thought for me, since I've been losing hair for roughly 20 years lol.

Yes, I'm tracking my progress, but my first pics were done with terrible lighting, and I was using the camera on my Mac, which is not good at all. I think I've got the lighting and pic quality more or less acceptable now, but my base line pics may have to be from a month or two ago.

Even so, I'm not interested in squabbling with anyone as to whether I have a few more hairs or not - to me the pics must say 'look, you can see I was bald in this pic, but in this pic I have hair'. In other words, I'm looking for such dramatic recovery that it can't be disputed.

Hairy Potter wrote:

whodathunkit wrote:I haven't been following this thread but am now becoming interested due to all the chatter.

Just chiming in to say that two of the biggest proponents of manual methods on this forum (PapillaPower and Leon Maliniak) both said that regrowth with manual methods would take at least a year and probably two or more.  So don't get discouraged, Hairy.  Or anyone.   I'd personally like to see someone complete a year with some decent pictures.  Hairy, are you photo-tracking your progress?

Edited to add a question:  did any of you guys experience an increase in the oiliness of your scalp when starting this?

Thanks whodathunkit, I appreciate the encouragement :-) Yes, Papilla said it took him 3 years (if I remember correctly) to get to where he was happy with his regrowth, and Margo said that it can take as long to get it back as it took to lose it, which is a shocking thought for me, since I've been losing hair for roughly 20 years lol.

Yes, I'm tracking my progress, but my first pics were done with terrible lighting, and I was using the camera on my Mac, which is not good at all. I think I've got the lighting and pic quality more or less acceptable now, but my base line pics may have to be from a month or two ago.

Even so, I'm not interested in squabbling with anyone as to whether I have a few more hairs or not - to me the pics must say 'look, you can see I was bald in this pic, but in this pic I have hair'. In other words, I'm looking for such dramatic recovery that it can't be disputed.

Hang in there man... You're seeing results and that's all that matters. You may want to give Dermarolling a try since your condition is very advanced. Ive seen some amazing stuff happen with DT & DR'ing individually... Imagine if you combine them!

Complexx wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

whodathunkit wrote:I haven't been following this thread but am now becoming interested due to all the chatter.

Just chiming in to say that two of the biggest proponents of manual methods on this forum (PapillaPower and Leon Maliniak) both said that regrowth with manual methods would take at least a year and probably two or more.  So don't get discouraged, Hairy.  Or anyone.   I'd personally like to see someone complete a year with some decent pictures.  Hairy, are you photo-tracking your progress?

Edited to add a question:  did any of you guys experience an increase in the oiliness of your scalp when starting this?

Thanks whodathunkit, I appreciate the encouragement :-) Yes, Papilla said it took him 3 years (if I remember correctly) to get to where he was happy with his regrowth, and Margo said that it can take as long to get it back as it took to lose it, which is a shocking thought for me, since I've been losing hair for roughly 20 years lol.

Yes, I'm tracking my progress, but my first pics were done with terrible lighting, and I was using the camera on my Mac, which is not good at all. I think I've got the lighting and pic quality more or less acceptable now, but my base line pics may have to be from a month or two ago.

Even so, I'm not interested in squabbling with anyone as to whether I have a few more hairs or not - to me the pics must say 'look, you can see I was bald in this pic, but in this pic I have hair'. In other words, I'm looking for such dramatic recovery that it can't be disputed.

Hang in there man... You're seeing results and that's all that matters. You may want to give Dermarolling a try since your condition is very advanced. Ive seen some amazing stuff happen with DT & DR'ing individually... Imagine if you combine them!

Thanks a lot bro! If it wasn't for the people on this forum, I probably would've given this up as a bad joke some time ago already.

I have been dermarolling too, once a week with a 1.5 mm roller - I think you're right, they seem to show promise.

Very simple Hairy. Buy a usb microscope. Decided on key points on your head (not random ones). Take photos once a week. Once you see progress on that level - that will keep you moving and motivated. Ultimately either Dt works or it doesn't. The circumstantial evidence for manuals is huge. It's not quick. Want to know if Dermarolling helps - only do it on one part of your head for a few weeks. The photos will tell you if its working on a low level and worth doing all over. Worst thing you can do is run round randomly trying things with no attempt at a scientific process.

Hairy Potter wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Hairy Potter wrote:

whodathunkit wrote:I haven't been following this thread but am now becoming interested due to all the chatter.

Just chiming in to say that two of the biggest proponents of manual methods on this forum (PapillaPower and Leon Maliniak) both said that regrowth with manual methods would take at least a year and probably two or more.  So don't get discouraged, Hairy.  Or anyone.   I'd personally like to see someone complete a year with some decent pictures.  Hairy, are you photo-tracking your progress?

Edited to add a question:  did any of you guys experience an increase in the oiliness of your scalp when starting this?

Thanks whodathunkit, I appreciate the encouragement :-) Yes, Papilla said it took him 3 years (if I remember correctly) to get to where he was happy with his regrowth, and Margo said that it can take as long to get it back as it took to lose it, which is a shocking thought for me, since I've been losing hair for roughly 20 years lol.

Yes, I'm tracking my progress, but my first pics were done with terrible lighting, and I was using the camera on my Mac, which is not good at all. I think I've got the lighting and pic quality more or less acceptable now, but my base line pics may have to be from a month or two ago.

Even so, I'm not interested in squabbling with anyone as to whether I have a few more hairs or not - to me the pics must say 'look, you can see I was bald in this pic, but in this pic I have hair'. In other words, I'm looking for such dramatic recovery that it can't be disputed.

Hang in there man... You're seeing results and that's all that matters. You may want to give Dermarolling a try since your condition is very advanced. Ive seen some amazing stuff happen with DT & DR'ing individually... Imagine if you combine them!

Thanks a lot bro! If it wasn't for the people on this forum, I probably would've given this up as a bad joke some time ago already.

I have been dermarolling too, once a week with a 1.5 mm roller - I think you're right, they seem to show promise.

I've been dermarolling alongside DT right from the start. I use a 1.5mm roller twice a week and apart from the paltry regrowth, I've noticed a ton of scaling and flaking. Excess dead skin all over my crown. Moreover, my scalp is always red thanks to constant rubbing, giving it a diseased appearance. I'll take a picture later today to show you guys. Is this supposed to be normal?