Re: Detumescence Therapy- dedicated volunteers wanted

Complexx Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:19 am

Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:I've been on DT for approximately one month and I can already feel a lot of small hairs coming up on the crown area. I'm not seeing results on temples yet but I've been more focusing on the crown for this first month. So it might be the beginning of a long route to success !
By the way, I was wondering if any of you guys had came up with results as good as Drex's ones ? Because I heard that some of you were having success..
Also what do you guys think of the 30 months window to regrow fallen hair ?

To be honest, I personally don't put too much stock in the 30 month window theory. Drex has had regrowth on areas that were slick for much longer than 30 months.

I have had terminal hairs sprouting in the last month or two in areas along my hairline which haven't had hair for over 10 years. These were not miniaturising hairs, these areas had nothing but very tiny vellus hairs on them. Every month or so I'm seeing new terminals popping up - they're blond so they're hard to spot, but they're definitely not vellus anymore.

Now, I should clarify, that these few terminals are nothing cosmetically significant yet - but if I can get those few back, why can't I get the others back too? That's the theory, the practice is gonna take longer to demonstrate :-)

Well that's already good news for you ! Did you stop your overall shedding ? Are you on supps as well ? I believe Drex isn't on anything except DT. It would be awesome to see another one having as much success as Drex !

My overall shedding stopped about 6 or 7 years ago when all my hair fell out That's why I can be so calm about this whole thing, because it certainly can't get any worse. For me, I am more or less starting from scratch aside from a few struggling terminals in the vertex region (I think that's what it's called) - the little 'island' at the top.

Here's the thing though - if I hadn't lost all my hair, I don't know that I would've learnt as much about myself as I know now. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you can let go, you know? It was a hell of a bumpy ride, I'll be honest, one that I wouldn't wish on any man. But here I am, still alive.

And guess what? The friends I have know me as a bald guy and they still like me - that means a lot to me.

Having said all that, I have always had this feeling that going bald is just not right, a kind of indignation rises up within me and goes, 'that's not who I really am'. Some would probably call that 'denial', but I don't know - I accept it, but at the same time I don't want to just lie down and take it, if that makes any sense at all .....
Well keep faith and I'm sure you'll be able to regrow some hair ! It's crazy how loosing your hair makes you understand so much other things about health itself (unless you go on finasteride and don't ask any question to yourself...)

True that - and thanks for the encouragement...

Have you regrown terminal/vellus hair in areas where it was SLICK bald like how DREXX has done? I'm talking nothing but skin, no tiny hairs.

JamesDean Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:34 am

Complexx what about you ? You seem to be a leader on this thread Smile

Duketronix Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:16 pm

Well this is not the "best" side. The other side has more random hairs farther below the hairline that are terminal. And the pic really doesn't show you everything that's going on.... BUT here's a pic of a little regrowth.
And you can see the cycle happening, there are hairs that are just starting to get longer, some that are longer but don't have pigment yet. etc.. etc...

Hope this helps some fence sitters to get on this. It really is working.

Keep in mind also that I was forming the island. There's a lot more regrowth from natural methods there than meets the eye. The stuff that stands out has just been very recent.

Detumescence Therapy- dedicated volunteers wanted - Page 33 Hair10

Detumescence Therapy- dedicated volunteers wanted - Page 33 Hair10

NDW Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:19 pm

Yeah baby

Hairy Potter Wed Apr 30, 2014 6:31 pm

Complexx wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:I've been on DT for approximately one month and I can already feel a lot of small hairs coming up on the crown area. I'm not seeing results on temples yet but I've been more focusing on the crown for this first month. So it might be the beginning of a long route to success !
By the way, I was wondering if any of you guys had came up with results as good as Drex's ones ? Because I heard that some of you were having success..
Also what do you guys think of the 30 months window to regrow fallen hair ?

To be honest, I personally don't put too much stock in the 30 month window theory. Drex has had regrowth on areas that were slick for much longer than 30 months.

I have had terminal hairs sprouting in the last month or two in areas along my hairline which haven't had hair for over 10 years. These were not miniaturising hairs, these areas had nothing but very tiny vellus hairs on them. Every month or so I'm seeing new terminals popping up - they're blond so they're hard to spot, but they're definitely not vellus anymore.

Now, I should clarify, that these few terminals are nothing cosmetically significant yet - but if I can get those few back, why can't I get the others back too? That's the theory, the practice is gonna take longer to demonstrate :-)

Well that's already good news for you ! Did you stop your overall shedding ? Are you on supps as well ? I believe Drex isn't on anything except DT. It would be awesome to see another one having as much success as Drex !

My overall shedding stopped about 6 or 7 years ago when all my hair fell out That's why I can be so calm about this whole thing, because it certainly can't get any worse. For me, I am more or less starting from scratch aside from a few struggling terminals in the vertex region (I think that's what it's called) - the little 'island' at the top.

Here's the thing though - if I hadn't lost all my hair, I don't know that I would've learnt as much about myself as I know now. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you can let go, you know? It was a hell of a bumpy ride, I'll be honest, one that I wouldn't wish on any man. But here I am, still alive.

And guess what? The friends I have know me as a bald guy and they still like me - that means a lot to me.

Having said all that, I have always had this feeling that going bald is just not right, a kind of indignation rises up within me and goes, 'that's not who I really am'. Some would probably call that 'denial', but I don't know - I accept it, but at the same time I don't want to just lie down and take it, if that makes any sense at all .....
Well keep faith and I'm sure you'll be able to regrow some hair ! It's crazy how loosing your hair makes you understand so much other things about health itself (unless you go on finasteride and don't ask any question to yourself...)

True that - and thanks for the encouragement...

Have you regrown terminal/vellus hair in areas where it was SLICK bald like how DREXX has done? I'm talking nothing but skin, no tiny hairs.

Hey Complexx - by 'tiny vellus hairs', I mean slick bald. You have to look really closely to even see them. Even though those tiny vellus hairs weren't visible in Drex's pics, they would've been there, it's just that the hair that should've been there had miniaturised to the point where you couldn't see them. Even guys that are cue ball slick have these tiny little vellus hairs, they're just so small that you can't see them unless you're REALLY looking closely.

The vellus I'm talking about is like 1mm in length and has never progressed beyond that until now. Check out Duketronix's pic above - many of those new hairs on the bottom right of the pic are really fine and blond - if you stepped back a few feet, you wouldn't even see them. However, in a couple months time, those are just gonna get thicker and thicker until they get to the point where they look like the healthy hairs in the top left of the pic. (thanks for posting that BTW Duke).

nidhogge Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:54 pm

Hairy Potter wrote:
nidhogge wrote:Yes - Glad I finally crept back onto the forum to talk about this, and even happier that the old article is being linked. When I used Magnesium Oil in the shower religiously, my hair was looking fantastic. In addition, I used LLLT. Decalcify was created specifically to address calcification... it has everything you could possibly need, though nothing replaces Magnesium Oil regardless of how well it is absorbed internaly. Let me explain a few things...

- ATP is huge for cell health. LLLT and Magnesium contribute to both. Magnesium Oil is basically just as good as getting it through an IV. Healthy ATP levels will benefit hair.

- The tightening of the galea... here are my thoughts. Galea tightens, blood flow is restricted. Lack of bloodflow = lack of oxygen, and CS posted a study a while back that found that THIS is the cause of excessive DHT production. Excessive DHT breeds more follicular mites, and studies have shown that those with MPB have Demodex mite overpopulation. Demodex mite overpopulation results in clogged follicles, and inflammation. Inflammation results in bruised, and then scarred tissue (follicular miniaturization that leads to calcification).

- Demodex mites aren't the only cause of inflammation... gluten, sugar, and dairy are also killers, and can result in more sebum production incidentally (food for the mites).

- Why do women not experience hair loss from the tightening of the galea? That brain being 15% larger is interesting (never knew that), but it could be because DHT is the sister hormone of Testosterone. Men have far higher levels of test than women and, therefore, far more potential for DHT production. This may be a bit of a reach, but just as male estrogen levels rise as you age, so do female test levels, with women often losing hair as they get older. However, that can be due to a number of factors ranging from thyroid, dietary, etc. Just a consideration...

I feel that massaging around the galea, the Maliniak Method, is a valid and effective method. You just need to stick with it for a solid year, and see how it works out for you.

Very, very interesting - thanks a lot nidhogge :-) Bear in mind that DT is way more intense than the Maliniak Method in terms of massage - this is more mangling than massage, and it focuses not only on the muscles on the back and sides, but on the scalp itself, which should break up calcified tissue quicker?

Do you still think that D3 and K2 are worth supplementing in conjunction with Mag oil? Also, would nano silver kill demodex mites? I read awhile back that Prague thought that nano silver would assist hairs to cycle back into growth phase - any idea why this would be?

Mag. Oil is not a replacement for D3 and K2. D3 I don't supplement... not sure if I should be. I try to get as much sun as possible, but even then, I'm likely not getting enough in the northeast. Given that D3 is a steroid, I'm reluctant to internalize it, which is why it is not in the Decalcify formula... even though IH seems to think it's safe, there are many differing opinions on internal usage. Even then, it's not just D3/K2 that is important, but a good source of Boron, Potassium, and internal Magnesium. Thus, Fruitex-B, Potassium Orotate, and Magnesium Orotate in the "Decalcify" formula along with the two best forms of Vitamin K2 (MK-4 and MK-7) in therapeutic amounts.

Nano Silver, the best that I could find in the world (we get it from a phenomenal company in Poland) is located in therapeutic quantities in "RejuvePlex". I'm not sure why it would assist in growth phase... we use it for anti-bacterial and anti-parasitical properties, which can help the hair. I do believe it would kill mites due to the incredibly small particle size.

theseeker86 Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:05 pm

nidhogge wrote:
Given that D3 is a steroid, I'm reluctant to internalize it,

I've seen that a lot on here in regards to whether d3 should be taken, just curious what you mean by reluctant to take it? what harmful effects do you believe it can do? pardon my ignorance on the subject.

Hairy Potter Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:07 pm

nidhogge wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
nidhogge wrote:Yes - Glad I finally crept back onto the forum to talk about this, and even happier that the old article is being linked. When I used Magnesium Oil in the shower religiously, my hair was looking fantastic. In addition, I used LLLT. Decalcify was created specifically to address calcification... it has everything you could possibly need, though nothing replaces Magnesium Oil regardless of how well it is absorbed internaly. Let me explain a few things...

- ATP is huge for cell health. LLLT and Magnesium contribute to both. Magnesium Oil is basically just as good as getting it through an IV. Healthy ATP levels will benefit hair.

- The tightening of the galea... here are my thoughts. Galea tightens, blood flow is restricted. Lack of bloodflow = lack of oxygen, and CS posted a study a while back that found that THIS is the cause of excessive DHT production. Excessive DHT breeds more follicular mites, and studies have shown that those with MPB have Demodex mite overpopulation. Demodex mite overpopulation results in clogged follicles, and inflammation. Inflammation results in bruised, and then scarred tissue (follicular miniaturization that leads to calcification).

- Demodex mites aren't the only cause of inflammation... gluten, sugar, and dairy are also killers, and can result in more sebum production incidentally (food for the mites).

- Why do women not experience hair loss from the tightening of the galea? That brain being 15% larger is interesting (never knew that), but it could be because DHT is the sister hormone of Testosterone. Men have far higher levels of test than women and, therefore, far more potential for DHT production. This may be a bit of a reach, but just as male estrogen levels rise as you age, so do female test levels, with women often losing hair as they get older. However, that can be due to a number of factors ranging from thyroid, dietary, etc. Just a consideration...

I feel that massaging around the galea, the Maliniak Method, is a valid and effective method. You just need to stick with it for a solid year, and see how it works out for you.

Very, very interesting - thanks a lot nidhogge :-) Bear in mind that DT is way more intense than the Maliniak Method in terms of massage - this is more mangling than massage, and it focuses not only on the muscles on the back and sides, but on the scalp itself, which should break up calcified tissue quicker?

Do you still think that D3 and K2 are worth supplementing in conjunction with Mag oil? Also, would nano silver kill demodex mites? I read awhile back that Prague thought that nano silver would assist hairs to cycle back into growth phase - any idea why this would be?

Mag. Oil is not a replacement for D3 and K2. D3 I don't supplement... not sure if I should be. I try to get as much sun as possible, but even then, I'm likely not getting enough in the northeast. Given that D3 is a steroid, I'm reluctant to internalize it, which is why it is not in the Decalcify formula... even though IH seems to think it's safe, there are many differing opinions on internal usage. Even then, it's not just D3/K2 that is important, but a good source of Boron, Potassium, and internal Magnesium. Thus, Fruitex-B, Potassium Orotate, and Magnesium Orotate in the "Decalcify" formula along with the two best forms of Vitamin K2 (MK-4 and MK-7) in therapeutic amounts.

Nano Silver, the best that I could find in the world (we get it from a phenomenal company in Poland) is located in therapeutic quantities in "RejuvePlex". I'm not sure why it would assist in growth phase... we use it for anti-bacterial and anti-parasitical properties, which can help the hair. I do believe it would kill mites due to the incredibly small particle size.

Thanks nidhogge, that helps. I live in South Africa, and I surf, so sun is not a problem - if anything I'm getting too much sun :-)

What you mentioned about Decalcify makes sense too - seems like good stuff. I would buy it in the blink of an eye, but shipping to SA is crazy expensive from the research I've done - but maybe I should look into it again.

nidhogge Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:08 pm

As someone who's tinkered with prohormones via bodybuilding over the years, I know the effects that mucking with your hormones can do on your hair, energy levels, body... it's no joke. Even though D3 isn't nearly as potent as those, that doesn't mean that it is necessarily safe in the long-term. Short-term, internalized D3 has shown nothing but positives. I can't say much beyond that... I just have a healthy skepticism of supplementing on any steroid. Much better to stimulate your body to produce what it needs on its own by giving it what it is lacking, imo.

nidhogge Wed Apr 30, 2014 8:09 pm

[quote="Hairy Potter]What you mentioned about Decalcify makes sense too - seems like good stuff. I would buy it in the blink of an eye, but shipping to SA is crazy expensive from the research I've done - but maybe I should look into it again.[/quote]

Not expensive if you're ordering from us. :-) Between $10-20.

Hairy Potter Wed Apr 30, 2014 9:15 pm

nidhogge wrote:
\"Hairy Potter wrote:What you mentioned about Decalcify makes sense too - seems like good stuff. I would buy it in the blink of an eye, but shipping to SA is crazy expensive from the research I've done - but maybe I should look into it again.

Not expensive if you're ordering from us. :-) Between $10-20.

Thanks - do you mean through HairEvo? Also, i see that one bottle of Decalcify has 90 capsules - how long would that last? Do you take 2 caps a day?

jlj Thu May 01, 2014 3:18 am

lamka wrote:IMHO... control your scalp muscles is more important than moving your scalp using your fingers. It is nearly the same as the Tom Hagerty's scalp exercise. If I do this I can feel my scalp is loose so much ... and it is good sign.

The ability to move the scalp using your head muscles is a plus.
The detumescene therapy is crucially important in the initial stage to break up calcification and fibrosis of the scalp tissue. If there is still calcification, the scalp cannot be moved properly using the head muscles.
When the scalp tissue has been soften and decalcified; I believe the scalp muscles exercise is great for maintaining a loose scalp and plumping blood through muscles contraction. Without using your hands, it also minimizes risks of traction alopecia.

lamka wrote:Just for this reason I do the scalp exercise. It helps me to relax my entire scalp.
Maybe Complex or other, if you have any experience with Tom Hagerty's scalp exercise or with something like that .. post here a reply please : ).

Edit. : If you do not like the fat man in previous video, here is another : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48By0g9atZs

Might be sign of tight frontalis muscles and overall scalp tightness.
Doing the detumescene therapy or the muscles exercise will return a certain degree of scalp laxity and elasticity.
The frontalis muscles and the occipitalis muscles are antagonistic muscles.
When one contracts, the other relaxes automatically. When the occipitalis muscles are contracted, they help relax the frontalis. It’s the alternate contractions and relaxations that make the scalp elastic.

Video of Christian Bale frowning and contracting the frontalis muscles on a pliable scalp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6gIc_8pXUI

hiilikeyourbeard Thu May 01, 2014 4:12 am

Hairy Potter wrote:
nidhogge wrote:
\"Hairy Potter wrote:What you mentioned about Decalcify makes sense too - seems like good stuff. I would buy it in the blink of an eye, but shipping to SA is crazy expensive from the research I've done - but maybe I should look into it again.

Not expensive if you're ordering from us. :-) Between $10-20.

Thanks - do you mean through HairEvo? Also, i see that one bottle of Decalcify has 90 capsules - how long would that last? Do you take 2 caps a day?

just buy magnesium oil.

Hairy Potter Thu May 01, 2014 4:42 am

hiilikeyourbeard wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
nidhogge wrote:
\"Hairy Potter wrote:What you mentioned about Decalcify makes sense too - seems like good stuff. I would buy it in the blink of an eye, but shipping to SA is crazy expensive from the research I've done - but maybe I should look into it again.

Not expensive if you're ordering from us. :-) Between $10-20.

Thanks - do you mean through HairEvo? Also, i see that one bottle of Decalcify has 90 capsules - how long would that last? Do you take 2 caps a day?

just buy magnesium oil.

I have ordered some - it's on its way (supposedly) ....

goten574 Thu May 01, 2014 9:40 pm

Without reading 55 pages of this thread can someone explain what the basic process is? I have ordered magnesium oil spray and already have D3 and K2 supplements from NOW Foods. Do I spray the oil on my scalp once a day and take the supplements? Wouldn't all this magnesium cause a deficiency in another vitamin/mineral? Could I overdose?

Jay07 Fri May 02, 2014 1:16 am

What's magnesium oil got to do with this thread? Ive never seen it mentioned until now

unfortunate Fri May 02, 2014 1:47 am

Been doing this for a couple weeks now. Am starting to notice a few pimples on the scalp and temples but nothing else to report. Hair is still falling out, including thick ones.

goten574 Fri May 02, 2014 3:39 am

Jay07 wrote:What's magnesium oil got to do with this thread? Ive never seen it mentioned until now

It's mentioned frequently in this thread...

Can anyone answer my question?

chubbfrank Fri May 02, 2014 4:40 am

It has been explained numerous times. Check Drex's posts.

Growdamnit Fri May 02, 2014 5:03 am

If you're so interested in it, you might as well read 55 pages worth of it. It doesn't take much time and you'll come out of the tunnel with a tremendous amount of knowledge on the subject. I do not mean to come off in a condescending manner, but I hate to see people in any aspect of life not make an effort to better themselves.

On the other hand, if you want to be spoon-fed, massage forcefully on your bald spot/problem areas 40 minutes a day. Break it down to two 20 minute sessions everyday; one in the morning and one at night. The study states that 100% of participants regrow 95% of their hair within ten months of doing this practice daily.

Hairy Potter Fri May 02, 2014 5:11 am

goten574 wrote:Without reading 55 pages of this thread can someone explain what the basic process is? I have ordered magnesium oil spray and already have D3 and K2 supplements from NOW Foods. Do I spray the oil on my scalp once a day and take the supplements? Wouldn't all this magnesium cause a deficiency in another vitamin/mineral? Could I overdose?

Check out the study - the link is in the first post, on the first page of this thread. In my opinion that's all you really need. With regards to D3, check out nidhogge's posts above. If you're getting a fair amount of sun, D3 shouldn't be necessary, but K2 seems quite important IMO.

Yes, you can spray the mag oil on your scalp - it's unlikely that you'll overdose on magnesium, but as to whether it will cause deficiencies in other vitamins / minerals, I'm not sure.

Hairy Potter Fri May 02, 2014 5:19 am

Jay07 wrote:What's magnesium oil got to do with this thread? Ive never seen it mentioned until now

Jay, Magnesium is basically great at fixing tissue - sportsmen use it to fix sore and strained muscles. For our intents and purposes we want it for decalcification of the scalp, which is one of the chief aims of DT. Mag oil is not necessary at all, Drex has not been using it and has had impressive results, but I reckon that if it's good for decalcification then it can definitely help our cause here.

That is the purpose of K2 as well, except it is coming from an internal angle. If you really want to go big, IH has a great product called Decalcify which has everything you need, as far as internal decalcification is concerned.

These are all 'add-ons' to DT, however, and not at all necessary if the study is to be believed.

Complexx Fri May 02, 2014 9:20 am

jlj wrote:
lamka wrote:IMHO... control your scalp muscles is more important than moving your scalp using your fingers. It is nearly the same as the Tom Hagerty's scalp exercise. If I do this I can feel my scalp is loose so much ... and it is good sign.

The ability to move the scalp using your head muscles is a plus.
The detumescene therapy is crucially important in the initial stage to break up calcification and fibrosis of the scalp tissue. If there is still calcification, the scalp cannot be moved properly using the head muscles.
When the scalp tissue has been soften and decalcified; I believe the scalp muscles exercise is great for maintaining a loose scalp and plumping blood through muscles contraction. Without using your hands, it also minimizes risks of traction alopecia.

lamka wrote:Just for this reason I do the scalp exercise. It helps me to relax my entire scalp.
Maybe Complex or other, if you have any experience with Tom Hagerty's scalp exercise or with something like that .. post here a reply please : ).

Edit. : If you do not like the fat man in previous video, here is another : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48By0g9atZs

Might be sign of tight frontalis muscles and overall scalp tightness.
Doing the detumescene therapy or the muscles exercise will return a certain degree of scalp laxity and elasticity.
The frontalis muscles and the occipitalis muscles are antagonistic muscles.
When one contracts, the other relaxes automatically. When the occipitalis muscles are contracted, they help relax the frontalis. It’s the alternate contractions and relaxations that make the scalp elastic.

Video of Christian Bale frowning and contracting the frontalis muscles on a pliable scalp.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6gIc_8pXUI

Are you suggesting that you can develop traction alopecia by roughing up the scalp and performing detumescence therapy on your scalp? Lol don't make the same mistake as other some people did by being "gentle" with the scalp only to find out that you were required to do the exact opposite the whole time. You simply cannot develop traction alopecia by performing DT, by hair pulling, or by getting your hair caught in the needles while dermarolling. I think people can agree with me here...

Also, while Tom haggerty's SE are also good, they've never really produced any much better results than DT has.... As a matter of fact, DT is about 10x better if you ask me. DT is definitely regrowing many peoples hair, including mine. (Btw I started achieving regrowth with other manuals before DT) Just my 2c

Complexx Fri May 02, 2014 9:25 am

JamesDean wrote:Complexx what about you ? You seem to be a leader on this thread

You bet your ass I have, James! bounce

I'm still working my way to a "thick" NW1 status. I was NW2 beforehand btw with thin hair everywhere.

Complexx Fri May 02, 2014 9:31 am

Hairy Potter wrote:
Complexx wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:
JamesDean wrote:I've been on DT for approximately one month and I can already feel a lot of small hairs coming up on the crown area. I'm not seeing results on temples yet but I've been more focusing on the crown for this first month. So it might be the beginning of a long route to success !
By the way, I was wondering if any of you guys had came up with results as good as Drex's ones ? Because I heard that some of you were having success..
Also what do you guys think of the 30 months window to regrow fallen hair ?

To be honest, I personally don't put too much stock in the 30 month window theory. Drex has had regrowth on areas that were slick for much longer than 30 months.

I have had terminal hairs sprouting in the last month or two in areas along my hairline which haven't had hair for over 10 years. These were not miniaturising hairs, these areas had nothing but very tiny vellus hairs on them. Every month or so I'm seeing new terminals popping up - they're blond so they're hard to spot, but they're definitely not vellus anymore.

Now, I should clarify, that these few terminals are nothing cosmetically significant yet - but if I can get those few back, why can't I get the others back too? That's the theory, the practice is gonna take longer to demonstrate :-)

Well that's already good news for you ! Did you stop your overall shedding ? Are you on supps as well ? I believe Drex isn't on anything except DT. It would be awesome to see another one having as much success as Drex !

My overall shedding stopped about 6 or 7 years ago when all my hair fell out That's why I can be so calm about this whole thing, because it certainly can't get any worse. For me, I am more or less starting from scratch aside from a few struggling terminals in the vertex region (I think that's what it's called) - the little 'island' at the top.

Here's the thing though - if I hadn't lost all my hair, I don't know that I would've learnt as much about myself as I know now. Sometimes you have to hit bottom before you can let go, you know? It was a hell of a bumpy ride, I'll be honest, one that I wouldn't wish on any man. But here I am, still alive.

And guess what? The friends I have know me as a bald guy and they still like me - that means a lot to me.

Having said all that, I have always had this feeling that going bald is just not right, a kind of indignation rises up within me and goes, 'that's not who I really am'. Some would probably call that 'denial', but I don't know - I accept it, but at the same time I don't want to just lie down and take it, if that makes any sense at all .....
Well keep faith and I'm sure you'll be able to regrow some hair ! It's crazy how loosing your hair makes you understand so much other things about health itself (unless you go on finasteride and don't ask any question to yourself...)

True that - and thanks for the encouragement...

Have you regrown terminal/vellus hair in areas where it was SLICK bald like how DREXX has done? I'm talking nothing but skin, no tiny hairs.

Hey Complexx - by 'tiny vellus hairs', I mean slick bald. You have to look really closely to even see them. Even though those tiny vellus hairs weren't visible in Drex's pics, they would've been there, it's just that the hair that should've been there had miniaturised to the point where you couldn't see them. Even guys that are cue ball slick have these tiny little vellus hairs, they're just so small that you can't see them unless you're REALLY looking closely.

The vellus I'm talking about is like 1mm in length and has never progressed beyond that until now. Check out Duketronix's pic above - many of those new hairs on the bottom right of the pic are really fine and blond - if you stepped back a few feet, you wouldn't even see them. However, in a couple months time, those are just gonna get thicker and thicker until they get to the point where they look like the healthy hairs in the top left of the pic. (thanks for posting that BTW Duke).

Thanks HP, so it isn't really that the hairs are not there or anything... they're just so tiny in certain cases that you cannot see them with something like an iPhone camera or something else of that nature... Hmmm. So would you say that some of these miniaturized hairs cannot be detected with a microscopic camera either until you start seeing results from manuals?

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