Detumescence Therapy- dedicated volunteers wanted

sanderson wrote:has anyone been able to do anything special with temples? my one temple is getting DESTROYED damn, i need some work on it. i'm scrunching it a lot, im hoping a shed.

What do you mean it's getting destroyed? By an itching or hair fall? If its hair fall it's def. a shed... There's no coincidence here.

Complexx wrote:

sanderson wrote:has anyone been able to do anything special with temples? my one temple is getting DESTROYED damn, i need some work on it. i'm scrunching it a lot, im hoping a shed.

What do you mean it's getting destroyed? By an itching or hair fall? If its hair fall it's def. a shed... There's no coincidence here.

It's def. thinning out a lot. Okay.. well I hope it is coming back! lol. complex, how is your stuff going? I've been doing mostly scrunching, are you actually pressing down on your head on the bumps on your head?

drex1999 wrote:This will probably be my last picture of this zoomed in kind because, no shit, it's getting hard to see as more hair comes in. The area the previous pictures were is now filled to about 20% density of hair (top left corner of pic) and you can see more new hair in there if you look. This is my barest area remaining. Look to the center of the picture for the black dots. They all have shadows if your eyesight isn't good enough to pick out the hair.

Where is this on your head? Temple or crown/vertex?

Lots of little hairs fo sure

Uhg....

Is no one else ending up with semi numb finger tips? All the pressing/strain on wrists seems to be giving me this.

Im really pissed because this is one treatment I truly have faith in damnit.

Another thing I'd like to add is that massaging around the norwood 7 area of the scalp with this method seems to be vital to get the benefits of restored blood flow. The norwood 7 area is the main channel where the blood gets choked off (dammed) so this therapy seems important to apply along this area.

mistermr wrote:Another thing I'd like to add is that massaging around the norwood 7 area of the scalp with this method seems to be vital to get the benefits of restored blood flow. The norwood 7 area is the main channel where the blood gets choked off (dammed) so this therapy seems important to apply along this area.

you say this because you see the benefit or are speculating at this point?

At this point is an observation that I have made that I am applying. I'd say it's more important if you're higher on the norwood scale and have crown thinning. It also make a lot of sense of you believe in the manuals / blood flow theory.

Just wanted to understand where you were coming from. Sometimes you can only interpret what a person is thinking and you build an idea based on interpretation instead of what was actually meant.

mistermr wrote:Another thing I'd like to add is that massaging around the norwood 7 area of the scalp with this method seems to be vital to get the benefits of restored blood flow. The norwood 7 area is the main channel where the blood gets choked off (dammed) so this therapy seems important to apply along this area.

i only give this area a normal fingertip massage since at least in my case it already is very flexible.

i detumescence on top and temples, where the scalp is hard and almost impossible to pinch with one hand.

BelieveInIt wrote:

mistermr wrote:Another thing I'd like to add is that massaging around the norwood 7 area of the scalp with this method seems to be vital to get the benefits of restored blood flow. The norwood 7 area is the main channel where the blood gets choked off (dammed) so this therapy seems important to apply along this area.

i only give this area a normal fingertip massage since at least in my case it already is very flexible.

i detumescence on top and temples, where the scalp is hard and almost impossible to pinch with one hand.

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i can easily pinch my skin.. my scalp is so loose. i feel like i might be doing this wrong. are you actually pressing into your head? like pushing with force on your skull or the sides of your head?

so i am rereading the study. i drew a picture so i am understanding better. is it basically you are pressing in the skull with the intention of changing the shape of the skull from bigger to getting more flat? also, are you guys pressing in the sides of your head as well? in order to make the skull shape not pop out on the sides of your head?

sorry for spamming this thread, but i just took a pic to give u guys an idea of how loose my scalp is. is anyone else able to do this much with their scalp? my hair is not getting better.. i do have many pictures from the past few months, honestly seems like it is getting worse or no progress, its hard for me to tell. i have peach fuzz on hairline, but it has been there for months now, i don't know if it will ever go terminal or not. that's why i don't take a lot of the peach fuzz growing at hair line stuff seriously because i've had it for a while. in about 2 weeks i'm restarting cannabis oil topically at temples so we will see how that goes. but i know the process takes time. i'm hoping that my scalp is loose, then it will start growing back at some point? not sure.. but cant stop now.



how does this compare to you guys? i can do that all over my scalp, although less at the back of my head which i am starting to work on my ore now because i'm starting to see the back of my head is not doing so hot.

That is some serious looseness, I have nothing like that. Is your scalp getting thicker and softer? That's where I am noticing a big difference.

CF wrote:That is some serious looseness, I have nothing like that.  Is your scalp getting thicker and softer? That's where I am noticing a big difference.

i dont know what it even means thicker and softer. i am not sure if it is or not. keep in mind ive been doing tom hagerty's exercise since march also like excessively everyday.. now i'm more doing it myself manually for at least 10 mins in the am and 10 mins at night. i think i'm going to work it up to 20 min in morning and 20 min at night. i'm also dermarolling after each session and i'm going to start brushing again as well.

sanderson wrote:i dont know what it even means thicker and softer. i am not sure if it is or not.

I've been squeezing it for a few weeks now and my scalp is larger than it was. It used to be like skin covering bone but now there is softness to it.

wow that's loose. You started dermarolling too right? I read castor oil with vitamin b12 is a good alternative to minox. See in a month or two if you get improvement. Now that the environment is better, you will probably start getting regrowth soon.

CF wrote:

sanderson wrote:i dont know what it even means thicker and softer. i am not sure if it is or not.

I've been squeezing it for a few weeks now and my scalp is larger than it was.  It used to be like skin covering bone but now there is softness to it.  

so are you actually pushing down on the bone on the top of your head though? physical pressure on the bones to try to make the head flat?

RisingFist wrote:wow that's loose. You started dermarolling too right? I read castor oil with vitamin b12 is a good alternative to minox. See in a month or two if you get improvement. Now that the environment is better, you will probably start getting regrowth soon.

yeah im dermarolling now too. ill give it a try, i actually have been using castor oil on nightly basis but i laid off it. ill restart it thanks for the tip.

Hi Sanderson....how long have you been doing detumescent massage therapy on yourself?

I only recently started, but I can say that, at least as far as I can tell, the only way to "kneed" your head with great force is to essentially push it directly into your skull, although i am interested to hear others opinions on this.

I haven't been following this thread the past week because really, it's just a time thing now. Seems people still haven't grasped this yet. Let's break this down to the simplest way possible. This study was by university students and is embellished to get their point across that the skin is thicker than other areas because of trapped grease and oils. How much thicker? Probably only slightly.

Point: skin is thick and hard with trapped grease.

Remedy: massage with firm pressure to squeeze out trapped hardened grease, hair will then regrow.

You don't have to kill your fingers or flatten your skull. Simple firm pressure while kneading/working your skin. Do you fingers or hair get greasy as you do it? Then you have accomplished your mission. End of story.

Here's where it gets a bit confusing. We noticed that the fatty underlayer is gone from where we are losing hair and doing this brings it back, making the scalp seem thicker. That is not addressed in the study but does not mean that the skin itself is thicker. It has probably gotten thinner and softer as grease has been released, just like the study said. It just does not appear that way because of the return of the under layer. Still don't get it? Doesn't matter. Just do the paragraph above.

Thanks drex, honestly I was so lazy with reading that study I didn't even know the goal was to release grease.  

I've just been pinching the crap out of the scalp, and have experienced a precipitous build up of that fatty layer.  Then every 2 or 3 days I'd use my scalp massager from Morracco Method and go around moving the scalp in different directions trying to break up any scar tissue.

Think of your hair as grass and that grass and it's root system is encased in a sludgy cement, unable to draw nutrients from the soil below and unable to break the surface above. By forcing that sludgy cement out of the ground by working it, the roots will once again draw from the fertile soil below it now has access to and the grass will begin to grow again.

What I think we are seeing is that once we have a percentage of grease forced out after a few months, normal function of blood getting to the papilla bringing nutrients and taking away waste begins to return. With normal function returned, that fatty underlayer must be one of the results of normal function. That's why I have been saying I believe if you notice that underlayer returning, I think you got it going on. Then it could take weeks to a few months before you see actual hair form and break the surface as I would think you would have to go through the telogen phase.

From the study (notice is says "skin" is thinner):
- "It is suggested to be much grease trapped in the hair follicle blocking the nutrient. After receiving a daily massage of 150 days with finger press, their scalps have been transformed and belonged to Case 2. Their head skin was thinner (11 mm~17 mm) and softer (Durometer scale a reading: ~75). Some grease trapped in the hair follicle leaves the head. Some hair is found to regrow on these thinner and softer skin patch regions. After receiving a daily massage of another 150 days with a heavier finger press (Case 3), their head skins have become much thinner (4 mm~10 mm) and softer (Durometer scale A reading: ~50). Almost all grease trapped in their hair follicle leaves the head."
-"Their hair for all people is found to be regrown naturally. From observation, over 90% hair recovery was also found to be regrown from the hair follicles for each bald person in this study."

RisingFist wrote:wow that's loose. You started dermarolling too right? I read castor oil with vitamin b12 is a good alternative to minox. See in a month or two if you get improvement. Now that the environment is better, you will probably start getting regrowth soon.

Where can i get more information about the castor oil + b12 combo? Would be good to apply after dermaroll like in that minox study?

I'm definitely getting tons of grease out of my scalp when I do this. at first it's slick and oily, then I wipe my hands as I continue to rub and at the end my scalp feels like normal skin.

Drex, any thoughts on what parts of the head to massage? Will only massaging the bald areas pull the grease from areas with hair as well?