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JDawg wrote:

bananasinpajamas wrote:Cortisone injections melt away scar tissue

no it does not.

Where do you get this information?

Scar tissue is not "melted away" by cortisone. Cortisone is an anti-inflammitory, anti-pain injection. It reduces inflammation, which can reduce scar tissue by not allowing it to form, but it doesn't "melt" it away or destroy scar tissue.

xenon how much protein and from what sources do you take in?

Xenon wrote:BTW guys, is fibrotic scar tissue really an issue here? I'm not saying you're wrong, it's just that I thought I'd mention something. First of all we have folks who suffer alopecia areata... their follicles come under auto-immune attack, yet they are known to regrow their hair - even after decades. Second, Deadly Device said that estrogen replacement therapy can cause complete regrowth. Third, to my knowledge, only the matrix cells of the follicle suffer inflammation, yet they are continually renewed through the various hair cycles. You will also note that the sebaceous and sweat glands continue to function normally, and the papilla continues to produce micro-vellus hairs, so this may suggest that capillaries remain in tact and perhaps are not the target of inflammation.

P.S. I don't know if the hair bulge suffers inflammation, but, as far as I know, the hair bulge produces progenitors which cause mitosis within the sebacuous and sweat glands, so I don't know if there is an issue here. It would seem that only the matrix cells are destroyed, but under certain circumstances, they regenerate.

Keanoseg wrote:I know but all of this is too random I think to draw any parallel-pixel-input precision. For example I know people who have been brushing for years and they have an amazing head of healthy hair. Also I know people both my age (early 20s) and older (30-60) who take the worst care of themselves. They don't do any harder physical activities, they drink, they smoke, they eat white bread and pasta everyday they are probably deficient in half of vitamins and minerals in the body. Yet they don't experience any balding whatsoever. To me, it's stupid to think that some people's genetics respond to these conditions with scalp inflammation and some don't. What in the world is the evolutionary/physiological reason and purpose for this? I don't think it exists in the realm of logic/reason, I think it's just a random modification for God knows what. We will probably never find an answer to these questions above. If we can't even solve it yet and pinpoint the exact reasons for "why always the same goddamn pattern of loss" I don't see how we'll ever find the purpose towards all of this is happening.
I also find it retarded that the follicles in the hairline and on the top would respond to this inflammation and androgens and everywhere else it wouldn't. WHY? It's the same god damn type of follicle and everything else is the same. There is so much un answered basic questions to all this. More importantly, I don't think anyone even cares in the scientific world for this. Yes, there are billions of studies but come on for fuck sake. Can't they just take few people who are at different balding stages and examine the difference inside they're skin in the scalp throughout it? For sure there would be something in the balding parts, and if it's not fibrosis/calcification/trapped dandruff,sebum and therefore DHT as well I have no god damn idea what is it and nobody does or that information simply isn't public because it's easier to make money like this and induce stupid social fears. It's all about control up there so why would they give a shit. You can't get friction alopecia or induce any negative damage to the scalp with DT if you do it correctly, I can guarantee you that. Also this is by far the best chance anyone has at regrowing and maintaining their hair for life without turning into a girl or poisoning themselves with minoxidil which contains god knows what maybe the almighty piss of Ctulhu.

As far as different alopecias go as you mentioned, I really don't know. I think it's wrong to look at them as different "alopecias" because it's something that people just invented names for because they can't explain it. If you're temples are receding you don't have areata and moreover maybe 1% of males losing they're hair have this areata shit. Everything else is "mpb". Also what in the world does "mpb" signal from the body. Also why women don't lose their hair in they're 20s with that stupidly idiotic pattern. Androgens? REALLY? Why the pattern then? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Also 99% of the women have really tight scalps which are heaven for DHT hypoxic production and the maximum they will experience is some hair thinning and they will go crazy over nothing -.-. Nothing is still answered man, and us discussing here forever even isn't gonna make anything more clear until we obviously get ALL the answers from the Holy Heavens.

Complexx wrote:

Keanoseg wrote:I know but all of this is too random I think to draw any parallel-pixel-input precision. For example I know people who have been brushing for years and they have an amazing head of healthy hair. Also I know people both my age (early 20s) and older (30-60) who take the worst care of themselves. They don't do any harder physical activities, they drink, they smoke, they eat white bread and pasta everyday they are probably deficient in half of vitamins and minerals in the body. Yet they don't experience any balding whatsoever. To me, it's stupid to think that some people's genetics respond to these conditions with scalp inflammation and some don't. What in the world is the evolutionary/physiological reason and purpose for this? I don't think it exists in the realm of logic/reason, I think it's just a random modification for God knows what. We will probably never find an answer to these questions above. If we can't even solve it yet and pinpoint the exact reasons for "why always the same goddamn pattern of loss" I don't see how we'll ever find the purpose towards all of this is happening.
I also find it retarded that the follicles in the hairline and on the top would respond to this inflammation and androgens and everywhere else it wouldn't. WHY? It's the same god damn type of follicle and everything else is the same. There is so much un answered basic questions to all this. More importantly, I don't think anyone even cares in the scientific world for this. Yes, there are billions of studies but come on for fuck sake. Can't they just take few people who are at different balding stages and examine the difference inside they're skin in the scalp throughout it? For sure there would be something in the balding parts, and if it's not fibrosis/calcification/trapped dandruff,sebum and therefore DHT as well I have no god damn idea what is it and nobody does or that information simply isn't public because it's easier to make money like this and induce stupid social fears. It's all about control up there so why would they give a shit. You can't get friction alopecia or induce any negative damage to the scalp with DT if you do it correctly, I can guarantee you that. Also this is by far the best chance anyone has at regrowing and maintaining their hair for life without turning into a girl or poisoning themselves with minoxidil which contains god knows what maybe the almighty piss of Ctulhu.

As far as different alopecias go as you mentioned, I really don't know. I think it's wrong to look at them as different "alopecias" because it's something that people just invented names for because they can't explain it. If you're temples are receding you don't have areata and moreover maybe 1% of males losing they're hair have this areata shit. Everything else is "mpb". Also what in the world does "mpb" signal from the body. Also why women don't lose their hair in they're 20s with that stupidly idiotic pattern. Androgens? REALLY? Why the pattern then? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Also 99% of the women have really tight scalps which are heaven for DHT hypoxic production and the maximum they will experience is some hair thinning and they will go crazy over nothing -.-. Nothing is still answered man, and us discussing here forever even isn't gonna make anything more clear until we obviously get ALL the answers from the Holy Heavens.

Actually< some of your questions are pretty simple to answer.

First of all, you CANNOT say that 99% of all females have tight scalps.. This is pure speculation. But I do  see where you're getting at though.

Second of all, FPB is a lot a lot less common compared to MPB simply because they have much less DHT than estradiol & I strongly believe this is probably why most women with tight scalps only experience diffuse thinning most times. However, some women with really tight scalps DO loose hair during pregnancy or going through menopause. The Botox study states that the GALEA gets tight=> Lack of blood flow which leads to hypoxia=>DHT is overproduced in the scalp=>DHT-Estradiol ratio is out of whack with DHT being the much more "present" hormone around he Galea section of the scalp. Once they loosened the scalp, all of that was corrected & every single test subject experienced a complete HALT in hair loss and a good portion of men regrew hair. This is why I say the whole "gene stuff" is ALL bullshit simply because you can stop hair loss completely by loosening the scalp. Drexx did it.. I did it.. many of you guys have done it.. many of other guys on other forums have done it...and studies prove it. The gene stuff can be thrown in the garbage now. Also, it wouldn't even make sense for a "mpb gene" to be present in our bodies at some point our lives simply because we need hair for PROTECTION. Our bodies are smart as fuck, do you really think it's going to give up something that is NECESSARY FOR PROTECTION for no apparent reason? And this only happens for a good portion of one Male ender and barely people from the Female gender? Lol come on man.. Or how about how how most, if not all men with MPB don't lose hair at all from the sides and back of their heads?

So guys, keep in mind that it's not the "fibrosis", "calcification", or "hard debris/gunk" (or whatever the fuck that shit is in our scalps) that is making your scalp tight... it's your Frontalis, Temporalis, and Occipatilis muscles that are pulling on your Galea and causing everything else to happen. Now, the reason why DT is so awesome, is because because not only does it loosen the scalp better than the Maliniak Method Massage (doing both works even better), it also breaks up all the bullshit in the scalp (highly doubt the violet ray can do this (or at least it will take much longer and more dedication than DT) since Maliniak recommends people applying an "essential oil" on his clients scalps to clear their pores of all "hard "debris"

hiilikeyourbeard wrote:For those of us who have broken up this tissue under the scalp and can really feel it... WHAT IS THIS STUFF? Do we have any concrete proof of what this MASSIVE hard buildup is? Grease, calcium, scar tissue? what?!

Keanoseg wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Keanoseg wrote:I know but all of this is too random I think to draw any parallel-pixel-input precision. For example I know people who have been brushing for years and they have an amazing head of healthy hair. Also I know people both my age (early 20s) and older (30-60) who take the worst care of themselves. They don't do any harder physical activities, they drink, they smoke, they eat white bread and pasta everyday they are probably deficient in half of vitamins and minerals in the body. Yet they don't experience any balding whatsoever. To me, it's stupid to think that some people's genetics respond to these conditions with scalp inflammation and some don't. What in the world is the evolutionary/physiological reason and purpose for this? I don't think it exists in the realm of logic/reason, I think it's just a random modification for God knows what. We will probably never find an answer to these questions above. If we can't even solve it yet and pinpoint the exact reasons for "why always the same goddamn pattern of loss" I don't see how we'll ever find the purpose towards all of this is happening.
I also find it retarded that the follicles in the hairline and on the top would respond to this inflammation and androgens and everywhere else it wouldn't. WHY? It's the same god damn type of follicle and everything else is the same. There is so much un answered basic questions to all this. More importantly, I don't think anyone even cares in the scientific world for this. Yes, there are billions of studies but come on for fuck sake. Can't they just take few people who are at different balding stages and examine the difference inside they're skin in the scalp throughout it? For sure there would be something in the balding parts, and if it's not fibrosis/calcification/trapped dandruff,sebum and therefore DHT as well I have no god damn idea what is it and nobody does or that information simply isn't public because it's easier to make money like this and induce stupid social fears. It's all about control up there so why would they give a shit. You can't get friction alopecia or induce any negative damage to the scalp with DT if you do it correctly, I can guarantee you that. Also this is by far the best chance anyone has at regrowing and maintaining their hair for life without turning into a girl or poisoning themselves with minoxidil which contains god knows what maybe the almighty piss of Ctulhu.

As far as different alopecias go as you mentioned, I really don't know. I think it's wrong to look at them as different "alopecias" because it's something that people just invented names for because they can't explain it. If you're temples are receding you don't have areata and moreover maybe 1% of males losing they're hair have this areata shit. Everything else is "mpb". Also what in the world does "mpb" signal from the body. Also why women don't lose their hair in they're 20s with that stupidly idiotic pattern. Androgens? REALLY? Why the pattern then? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Also 99% of the women have really tight scalps which are heaven for DHT hypoxic production and the maximum they will experience is some hair thinning and they will go crazy over nothing -.-. Nothing is still answered man, and us discussing here forever even isn't gonna make anything more clear until we obviously get ALL the answers from the Holy Heavens.

Actually< some of your questions are pretty simple to answer.

First of all, you CANNOT say that 99% of all females have tight scalps.. This is pure speculation. But I do  see where you're getting at though.

Second of all, FPB is a lot a lot less common compared to MPB simply because they have much less DHT than estradiol & I strongly believe this is probably why most women with tight scalps only experience diffuse thinning most times. However, some women with really tight scalps DO loose hair during pregnancy or going through menopause. The Botox study states that the GALEA gets tight=> Lack of blood flow which leads to hypoxia=>DHT is overproduced in the scalp=>DHT-Estradiol ratio is out of whack with DHT being the much more "present" hormone around he Galea section of the scalp. Once they loosened the scalp, all of that was corrected & every single test subject experienced a complete HALT in hair loss and a good portion of men regrew hair. This is why I say the whole "gene stuff" is ALL bullshit simply because you can stop hair loss completely by loosening the scalp. Drexx did it.. I did it.. many of you guys have done it.. many of other guys on other forums have done it...and studies prove it. The gene stuff can be thrown in the garbage now. Also, it wouldn't even make sense for a "mpb gene" to be present in our bodies at some point our lives simply because we need hair for PROTECTION. Our bodies are smart as fuck, do you really think it's going to give up something that is NECESSARY FOR PROTECTION for no apparent reason? And this only happens for a good portion of one Male ender and barely people from the Female gender? Lol come on man.. Or how about how how most, if not all men with MPB don't lose hair at all from the sides and back of their heads?

So guys, keep in mind that it's not the "fibrosis", "calcification", or "hard debris/gunk" (or whatever the fuck that shit is in our scalps) that is making your scalp tight... it's your Frontalis, Temporalis, and Occipatilis muscles that are pulling on your Galea and causing everything else to happen. Now, the reason why DT is so awesome, is because because not only does it loosen the scalp better than the Maliniak Method Massage (doing both works even better), it also breaks up all the bullshit in the scalp (highly doubt the violet ray can do this (or at least it will take much longer and more dedication than DT) since Maliniak recommends people applying an "essential oil" on his clients scalps to clear their pores of all "hard "debris"

LOL the questions ARE NOT simple and no, you didn't asnwer them in any way.


It's basically what I said , except the fact that I don't agree with you. First of all, when I came to this forum and saw the manual threads the first thing I did is I checked how loose my scalp is. And guess what, it was elastic as fuck. There's my post from 4,5 months back on the old DT thread where I asked why am I than losing my hair in the pattern shape while my entire scalp is flexible as heck and my muscles don't pull anything. This is where I believe more in inflammation-->calcification and fibrosis as results to why the scalp gets tight instead of just muscles pulling the scalp. Also the genetic think you said, it might be just a modification of a sort as I said. We don't need hair anymore honestly. Throughout evolution if we started as ape looking mofos we lost hair on our whole bodies because we were more and more indoors and protected. We kept it only on the head because of brain/skull protection maybe from impacts/temperature but we don't even need that anymore. Keep in mind that the human genome takes thousands of years to make small adjustments so it might be the answer to why it's taking so long. I don't believe in that honestly though. Except that there's no explanation whatsoever for balding. Not a tiny bit. Anywhere. So back to the tightness, for me making the scalp more loose didn't do shit because it was already as loose as it gets. This is where I thought that all of this is stupid because for me it didn't apply. Galea being pulled because of muscles might have an impact but I think it's just maybe one additional reason why the inflammation starts or gets increased. So I think that if muscle tension does anything it's that increases effects of inflammation and hypoxia, but there's 0% and not even a tiny bit more chance that this is the root or the only reason I can guarantee you that. Also about women's scalp being tight. I tried it on about 10 women irl so far. Might sound funny but check it on any girl/woman you know and you'll see that it's 9/10 times the case so it's not speculation. Also you didn't really answer any of my questions you just rephrased them in your own way although you said it's simple. I don't blame you, you can't. Noone can. Right now at least. For me personally, muscles pulling the galea is the furthest of answers to my state it will ever get. As I said when I started I had a REALLLLLLY loose scalp and after 3 months of DT it gained a bit more of elasticity but I don't even think it can get more loose than this. I never had a problem with that.

Keanoseg wrote:Anyway, no matter what anyone says it's not gonna be the right answer right now. The purpose of balding is a mystery and will remain that way, unless if it's what I said in the previous post. Nothing else can explain it. NOTHING. It would seem idiotic that you need to put so much effort to retain what your body NEEDS for PROTECTION. That is stupid. Stupid. Stupid. If the body was so smart as you say we all would have NW1's forever and not a single case of balding would ever be recorded on the face of the planet. Unless what I said in the previous post isn't happening right now and this is just a looooong ass genetic modification. Which also makes no sense. So nothing does. You simply can't argue or counter my points because they are inarguable. Noone knows the answers to them and therefore they are not SIMPLE in any way lol. Why this is happening? Noone knows. Can we counter it? Yes. Is it the same for everyone? Apparently yes and no. There's always the same fucking goddamn pattern of recession but it's different for all the people. For example the elasticity plays an absolute ZERO of a role in my case. So if my scalp isnt tight, why does DT work for me? For me it must be the calcification,fibrosis part of story along with anything else that comes with it. It's still so unclear though.

hiilikeyourbeard wrote:Also, I can't prove this. But I have a feeling MPB is directly related to the inflammation caused from facial tension

Complexx wrote:

Keanoseg wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Keanoseg wrote:I know but all of this is too random I think to draw any parallel-pixel-input precision. For example I know people who have been brushing for years and they have an amazing head of healthy hair. Also I know people both my age (early 20s) and older (30-60) who take the worst care of themselves. They don't do any harder physical activities, they drink, they smoke, they eat white bread and pasta everyday they are probably deficient in half of vitamins and minerals in the body. Yet they don't experience any balding whatsoever. To me, it's stupid to think that some people's genetics respond to these conditions with scalp inflammation and some don't. What in the world is the evolutionary/physiological reason and purpose for this? I don't think it exists in the realm of logic/reason, I think it's just a random modification for God knows what. We will probably never find an answer to these questions above. If we can't even solve it yet and pinpoint the exact reasons for "why always the same goddamn pattern of loss" I don't see how we'll ever find the purpose towards all of this is happening.
I also find it retarded that the follicles in the hairline and on the top would respond to this inflammation and androgens and everywhere else it wouldn't. WHY? It's the same god damn type of follicle and everything else is the same. There is so much un answered basic questions to all this. More importantly, I don't think anyone even cares in the scientific world for this. Yes, there are billions of studies but come on for fuck sake. Can't they just take few people who are at different balding stages and examine the difference inside they're skin in the scalp throughout it? For sure there would be something in the balding parts, and if it's not fibrosis/calcification/trapped dandruff,sebum and therefore DHT as well I have no god damn idea what is it and nobody does or that information simply isn't public because it's easier to make money like this and induce stupid social fears. It's all about control up there so why would they give a shit. You can't get friction alopecia or induce any negative damage to the scalp with DT if you do it correctly, I can guarantee you that. Also this is by far the best chance anyone has at regrowing and maintaining their hair for life without turning into a girl or poisoning themselves with minoxidil which contains god knows what maybe the almighty piss of Ctulhu.

As far as different alopecias go as you mentioned, I really don't know. I think it's wrong to look at them as different "alopecias" because it's something that people just invented names for because they can't explain it. If you're temples are receding you don't have areata and moreover maybe 1% of males losing they're hair have this areata shit. Everything else is "mpb". Also what in the world does "mpb" signal from the body. Also why women don't lose their hair in they're 20s with that stupidly idiotic pattern. Androgens? REALLY? Why the pattern then? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Also 99% of the women have really tight scalps which are heaven for DHT hypoxic production and the maximum they will experience is some hair thinning and they will go crazy over nothing -.-. Nothing is still answered man, and us discussing here forever even isn't gonna make anything more clear until we obviously get ALL the answers from the Holy Heavens.

Actually< some of your questions are pretty simple to answer.

First of all, you CANNOT say that 99% of all females have tight scalps.. This is pure speculation. But I do  see where you're getting at though.

Second of all, FPB is a lot a lot less common compared to MPB simply because they have much less DHT than estradiol & I strongly believe this is probably why most women with tight scalps only experience diffuse thinning most times. However, some women with really tight scalps DO loose hair during pregnancy or going through menopause. The Botox study states that the GALEA gets tight=> Lack of blood flow which leads to hypoxia=>DHT is overproduced in the scalp=>DHT-Estradiol ratio is out of whack with DHT being the much more "present" hormone around he Galea section of the scalp. Once they loosened the scalp, all of that was corrected & every single test subject experienced a complete HALT in hair loss and a good portion of men regrew hair. This is why I say the whole "gene stuff" is ALL bullshit simply because you can stop hair loss completely by loosening the scalp. Drexx did it.. I did it.. many of you guys have done it.. many of other guys on other forums have done it...and studies prove it. The gene stuff can be thrown in the garbage now. Also, it wouldn't even make sense for a "mpb gene" to be present in our bodies at some point our lives simply because we need hair for PROTECTION. Our bodies are smart as fuck, do you really think it's going to give up something that is NECESSARY FOR PROTECTION for no apparent reason? And this only happens for a good portion of one Male ender and barely people from the Female gender? Lol come on man.. Or how about how how most, if not all men with MPB don't lose hair at all from the sides and back of their heads?

So guys, keep in mind that it's not the "fibrosis", "calcification", or "hard debris/gunk" (or whatever the fuck that shit is in our scalps) that is making your scalp tight... it's your Frontalis, Temporalis, and Occipatilis muscles that are pulling on your Galea and causing everything else to happen. Now, the reason why DT is so awesome, is because because not only does it loosen the scalp better than the Maliniak Method Massage (doing both works even better), it also breaks up all the bullshit in the scalp (highly doubt the violet ray can do this (or at least it will take much longer and more dedication than DT) since Maliniak recommends people applying an "essential oil" on his clients scalps to clear their pores of all "hard "debris"

LOL the questions ARE NOT simple and no, you didn't asnwer them in any way.


It's basically what I said , except the fact that I don't agree with you. First of all, when I came to this forum and saw the manual threads the first thing I did is I checked how loose my scalp is. And guess what, it was elastic as fuck. There's my post from 4,5 months back on the old DT thread where I asked why am I than losing my hair in the pattern shape while my entire scalp is flexible as heck and my muscles don't pull anything. This is where I believe more in inflammation-->calcification and fibrosis as results to why the scalp gets tight instead of just muscles pulling the scalp. Also the genetic think you said, it might be just a modification of a sort as I said. We don't need hair anymore honestly. Throughout evolution if we started as ape looking mofos we lost hair on our whole bodies because we were more and more indoors and protected. We kept it only on the head because of brain/skull protection maybe from impacts/temperature but we don't even need that anymore. Keep in mind that the human genome takes thousands of years to make small adjustments so it might be the answer to why it's taking so long. I don't believe in that honestly though. Except that there's no explanation whatsoever for balding. Not a tiny bit. Anywhere. So back to the tightness, for me making the scalp more loose didn't do shit because it was already as loose as it gets. This is where I thought that all of this is stupid because for me it didn't apply. Galea being pulled because of muscles might have an impact but I think it's just maybe one additional reason why the inflammation starts or gets increased. So I think that if muscle tension does anything it's that increases effects of inflammation and hypoxia, but there's 0% and not even a tiny bit more chance that this is the root or the only reason I can guarantee you that. Also about women's scalp being tight. I tried it on about 10 women irl so far. Might sound funny but check it on any girl/woman you know and you'll see that it's 9/10 times the case so it's not speculation. Also you didn't really answer any of my questions you just rephrased them in your own way although you said it's simple. I don't blame you, you can't. Noone can. Right now at least. For me personally, muscles pulling the galea is the furthest of answers to my state it will ever get. As I said when I started I had a REALLLLLLY loose scalp and after 3 months of DT it gained a bit more of elasticity but I don't even think it can get more loose than this. I never had a problem with that.

You may have thought your muscles weren't tight... but they were and you just proved it to me after saying this "I started I had a REALLLLLLY loose scalp and after 3 months of DT it gained a bit more of elasticity"

There is a study where all participants (about 45 I think) experienced a complete HALT in hair loss (this disproves what you just said about a loose scalp only being an aggressor and not the CAUSE to this MPB situation) and a great amount of people on this forum alone are noticing the same. Also, I DID answer your questions. You basically asked why women don't go bald like men do and I simply answered BECAUSE THEY DON'T PRODUCE HIGH ENOUGH AMOUNTS OF DHT... and SOME DO WHEN THEY GO THROUGH PREGNANCY AND MENOPAUSE BECAUSE OF INCREASED DHT.. When the scalp becomes tight, DHT then becomes overproduced and basically overpowers estradiol..but when the scalp is loosened, dht is decreased (only in the scalp), estradiol is able to ooonce "flourish" through the scalp, and hair loss stops and hair is then able to regrow (many follicles may need to be stimulated, though.) In some hair loss study that SlowMoe mentioned, it stated something about placebo regrowing hair and DHT levels lowering ONLY IN THE SCALP while serum levels stayed in check..

My point is, that nearly EVERYTHING the helps with hair loss has too do with lowering DHT or enhancing blood flow. For all you know, you may have a weak vascular system.

Anyways, theirs no reason to argue dude... you're getting results with something that increases blood flow lol. What NW are you?

Keanoseg wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Keanoseg wrote:

Complexx wrote:

Keanoseg wrote:I know but all of this is too random I think to draw any parallel-pixel-input precision. For example I know people who have been brushing for years and they have an amazing head of healthy hair. Also I know people both my age (early 20s) and older (30-60) who take the worst care of themselves. They don't do any harder physical activities, they drink, they smoke, they eat white bread and pasta everyday they are probably deficient in half of vitamins and minerals in the body. Yet they don't experience any balding whatsoever. To me, it's stupid to think that some people's genetics respond to these conditions with scalp inflammation and some don't. What in the world is the evolutionary/physiological reason and purpose for this? I don't think it exists in the realm of logic/reason, I think it's just a random modification for God knows what. We will probably never find an answer to these questions above. If we can't even solve it yet and pinpoint the exact reasons for "why always the same goddamn pattern of loss" I don't see how we'll ever find the purpose towards all of this is happening.
I also find it retarded that the follicles in the hairline and on the top would respond to this inflammation and androgens and everywhere else it wouldn't. WHY? It's the same god damn type of follicle and everything else is the same. There is so much un answered basic questions to all this. More importantly, I don't think anyone even cares in the scientific world for this. Yes, there are billions of studies but come on for fuck sake. Can't they just take few people who are at different balding stages and examine the difference inside they're skin in the scalp throughout it? For sure there would be something in the balding parts, and if it's not fibrosis/calcification/trapped dandruff,sebum and therefore DHT as well I have no god damn idea what is it and nobody does or that information simply isn't public because it's easier to make money like this and induce stupid social fears. It's all about control up there so why would they give a shit. You can't get friction alopecia or induce any negative damage to the scalp with DT if you do it correctly, I can guarantee you that. Also this is by far the best chance anyone has at regrowing and maintaining their hair for life without turning into a girl or poisoning themselves with minoxidil which contains god knows what maybe the almighty piss of Ctulhu.

As far as different alopecias go as you mentioned, I really don't know. I think it's wrong to look at them as different "alopecias" because it's something that people just invented names for because they can't explain it. If you're temples are receding you don't have areata and moreover maybe 1% of males losing they're hair have this areata shit. Everything else is "mpb". Also what in the world does "mpb" signal from the body. Also why women don't lose their hair in they're 20s with that stupidly idiotic pattern. Androgens? REALLY? Why the pattern then? It just makes no sense whatsoever. Also 99% of the women have really tight scalps which are heaven for DHT hypoxic production and the maximum they will experience is some hair thinning and they will go crazy over nothing -.-. Nothing is still answered man, and us discussing here forever even isn't gonna make anything more clear until we obviously get ALL the answers from the Holy Heavens.

Actually< some of your questions are pretty simple to answer.

First of all, you CANNOT say that 99% of all females have tight scalps.. This is pure speculation. But I do  see where you're getting at though.

Second of all, FPB is a lot a lot less common compared to MPB simply because they have much less DHT than estradiol & I strongly believe this is probably why most women with tight scalps only experience diffuse thinning most times. However, some women with really tight scalps DO loose hair during pregnancy or going through menopause. The Botox study states that the GALEA gets tight=> Lack of blood flow which leads to hypoxia=>DHT is overproduced in the scalp=>DHT-Estradiol ratio is out of whack with DHT being the much more "present" hormone around he Galea section of the scalp. Once they loosened the scalp, all of that was corrected & every single test subject experienced a complete HALT in hair loss and a good portion of men regrew hair. This is why I say the whole "gene stuff" is ALL bullshit simply because you can stop hair loss completely by loosening the scalp. Drexx did it.. I did it.. many of you guys have done it.. many of other guys on other forums have done it...and studies prove it. The gene stuff can be thrown in the garbage now. Also, it wouldn't even make sense for a "mpb gene" to be present in our bodies at some point our lives simply because we need hair for PROTECTION. Our bodies are smart as fuck, do you really think it's going to give up something that is NECESSARY FOR PROTECTION for no apparent reason? And this only happens for a good portion of one Male ender and barely people from the Female gender? Lol come on man.. Or how about how how most, if not all men with MPB don't lose hair at all from the sides and back of their heads?

So guys, keep in mind that it's not the "fibrosis", "calcification", or "hard debris/gunk" (or whatever the fuck that shit is in our scalps) that is making your scalp tight... it's your Frontalis, Temporalis, and Occipatilis muscles that are pulling on your Galea and causing everything else to happen. Now, the reason why DT is so awesome, is because because not only does it loosen the scalp better than the Maliniak Method Massage (doing both works even better), it also breaks up all the bullshit in the scalp (highly doubt the violet ray can do this (or at least it will take much longer and more dedication than DT) since Maliniak recommends people applying an "essential oil" on his clients scalps to clear their pores of all "hard "debris"

LOL the questions ARE NOT simple and no, you didn't asnwer them in any way.


It's basically what I said , except the fact that I don't agree with you. First of all, when I came to this forum and saw the manual threads the first thing I did is I checked how loose my scalp is. And guess what, it was elastic as fuck. There's my post from 4,5 months back on the old DT thread where I asked why am I than losing my hair in the pattern shape while my entire scalp is flexible as heck and my muscles don't pull anything. This is where I believe more in inflammation-->calcification and fibrosis as results to why the scalp gets tight instead of just muscles pulling the scalp. Also the genetic think you said, it might be just a modification of a sort as I said. We don't need hair anymore honestly. Throughout evolution if we started as ape looking mofos we lost hair on our whole bodies because we were more and more indoors and protected. We kept it only on the head because of brain/skull protection maybe from impacts/temperature but we don't even need that anymore. Keep in mind that the human genome takes thousands of years to make small adjustments so it might be the answer to why it's taking so long. I don't believe in that honestly though. Except that there's no explanation whatsoever for balding. Not a tiny bit. Anywhere. So back to the tightness, for me making the scalp more loose didn't do shit because it was already as loose as it gets. This is where I thought that all of this is stupid because for me it didn't apply. Galea being pulled because of muscles might have an impact but I think it's just maybe one additional reason why the inflammation starts or gets increased. So I think that if muscle tension does anything it's that increases effects of inflammation and hypoxia, but there's 0% and not even a tiny bit more chance that this is the root or the only reason I can guarantee you that. Also about women's scalp being tight. I tried it on about 10 women irl so far. Might sound funny but check it on any girl/woman you know and you'll see that it's 9/10 times the case so it's not speculation. Also you didn't really answer any of my questions you just rephrased them in your own way although you said it's simple. I don't blame you, you can't. Noone can. Right now at least. For me personally, muscles pulling the galea is the furthest of answers to my state it will ever get. As I said when I started I had a REALLLLLLY loose scalp and after 3 months of DT it gained a bit more of elasticity but I don't even think it can get more loose than this. I never had a problem with that.

You may have thought your muscles weren't tight... but they were and you just proved it to me after saying this "I started I had a REALLLLLLY loose scalp and after 3 months of DT it gained a bit more of elasticity"

There is a study where all participants (about 45 I think) experienced a complete HALT in hair loss (this disproves what you just said about a loose scalp only being an aggressor and not the CAUSE to this MPB situation) and a great amount of people on this forum alone are noticing the same. Also, I DID answer your questions. You basically asked why women don't go bald like men do and I simply answered BECAUSE THEY DON'T PRODUCE HIGH ENOUGH AMOUNTS OF DHT... and SOME DO WHEN THEY GO THROUGH PREGNANCY AND MENOPAUSE BECAUSE OF INCREASED DHT.. When the scalp becomes tight, DHT then becomes overproduced and basically overpowers estradiol..but when the scalp is loosened, dht is decreased (only in the scalp), estradiol is able to ooonce "flourish" through the scalp, and hair loss stops and hair is then able to regrow (many follicles may need to be stimulated, though.) In some hair loss study that SlowMoe mentioned, it stated something about placebo regrowing hair and DHT levels lowering ONLY IN THE SCALP while serum levels stayed in check..

My point is, that nearly EVERYTHING the helps with hair loss has too do with lowering DHT or enhancing blood flow. For all you know, you may have a weak vascular system.

Anyways, theirs no reason to argue dude... you're getting results with something that increases blood flow lol. What NW are you?

I asked why is anyone balding in the first place. And no, not looking for the answer "because of DHT" but WHY IS ANYONE BALDING IN THE FIRST PLACE. You have to see the difference. I'm talking existencial question here, not quasi scientific momentary explanation for our modern world. Also lets give some  numbers to this. I will invent a new unit called "LOL". So when I started I could move my scalp 1 LOL unit in any direction. After 3 months of DT I can now move it 1.05 LOL units in any direction and when I do it already looks scary because it moves ALOT and I don't even know if I want to make it more elastic. Seems counterproductive at this point. That is what I mean when I say "a bit" of elasticity gain. I don't have a weak vascular system because I have crazy thick hair. TBH I almost never met anyone with hair as thick as mine. I went to a dermatologist because of sebborheic dermatitis 6 months ago and he aimed that dermatologic microscope at my head while watching it on a TV screen, and from 1 follicle 3,4 strands of hair come out, never less than 3. So it is thick and the vascular system isn't weak. 1. the muscles pulling the galea isn't the root of hair loss. When you tackle it from this way it might seem so but it isn't, it's just a symptom, not the root cause dude. Also for women going through menopause you can't know that for sure. For all we may know, they have periods for all they're lives and then suddenly not. They stop secreting iron monthly and we know that iron is a big inflammatory specialist right here. BIG ONE. I was with you and Slowmoe few months ago when all of this made sense. It still does, it's just that that I found something that makes more sense/has more proofs/seems more reasonable. To me at least. No point arguing as you said anyone can believe in what they want.

Keanoseg wrote:How does DHT induce inflammation if there's good blood flow? It doesn't. It causes inflammation and messes with estradiol levels within the scalp only when the Galea is tight.

What would make DHT get trapped in there? Even if the scalp muscles are tight, there is still nothing INSIDE of it to block the circulation.

The arteries, capillaries, etc. undergo compression from a tight Galea which is induced by overly tight muscles around the scalp. Now the question is, what makes these muscles tight... I believe my case was 1) Pretty severe stress and anxiety and 2) Living a sedentary lifestyle (sitting a lot) which is equivilant to, if not worse than smoking. It ruins your posture as well and that can definitely influence scalp tightness.

There just has to be something inside. Why I said that the tension isn't the root cause is because when you manually loosen the scalp and relieve the tension, everything changes from the inside. But the inside is what is the reason for hair loss, not the outside, if you get what I mean.

I get what you mean.. But if I punch you in the face, you will mostly likely get a black and blue from the inside out, which induce by something that happens from the outside, right? Having a tight Galea and thinking your hair will be in great health is like stepping on the middle of a hose and thinking the water will still come out then end of it 100%

I think people could have "mpb" and not even have tight scalps, like in my case for example, simply because there is inflammation/fibrosis/calcification inside which produce this types of hardened collagen and swelling referred in the study as "grease"

I don't think you have a classic case of MPB then bro. You may have some food allergies or other issues that cause inflammation to the scalp that can cause the same symptoms as MPB, but this doesn't sound like MPB to me. None of the shit you have in your scalp would have happened if you had good, healthy, oxygen filled blood flow up there bro. Some people have a fucked up thyroid+a tight scalp and you may just have something similar to MPB but not exactly the same cause..

And when all of this builds up microscopically after a long period of time that is what causes the DHT to get stuck there. DHT can't simply get stuck in the scalp, it has to be some hard tissue merging with the inside of the scalp skin and biochemistry inside which makes it hard to flush the DHT out. When all that happens, the galea and entire scalp gets tight as well ofc. In most cases.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. First of all, I don't even think DHT even "accumulates" anywhere.. It's just overproduced in the Galea region ONLY because of tightness... and once it's loosened, no more overproduction of DHT, inflammation, or messed up DHT/estradiol levels.

Complexx wrote:

Keanoseg wrote:How does DHT induce inflammation if there's good blood flow? It doesn't. It causes inflammation and messes with estradiol levels within the scalp only when the Galea is tight.

What would make DHT get trapped in there? Even if the scalp muscles are tight, there is still nothing INSIDE of it to block the circulation.

The arteries, capillaries, etc. undergo compression from a tight Galea which is induced by overly tight muscles around the scalp. Now the question is, what makes these muscles tight... I believe my case was 1) Pretty severe stress and anxiety and 2) Living a sedentary lifestyle (sitting a lot) which is equivilant to, if not worse than smoking. It ruins your posture as well and that can definitely influence scalp tightness.

There just has to be something inside. Why I said that the tension isn't the root cause is because when you manually loosen the scalp and relieve the tension, everything changes from the inside. But the inside is what is the reason for hair loss, not the outside, if you get what I mean.

I get what you mean.. But if I punch you in the face, you will mostly likely get a black and blue from the inside out, which induce by something that happens from the outside, right? Having a tight Galea and thinking your hair will be in great health is like stepping on the middle of a hose and thinking the water will still come out then end of it 100%

I think people could have "mpb" and not even have tight scalps, like in my case for example, simply because there is inflammation/fibrosis/calcification inside which produce this types of hardened collagen and swelling referred in the study as "grease"

I don't think you have a classic case of MPB then bro. You may have some food allergies or other issues that cause inflammation to the scalp that can cause the same symptoms as MPB, but this doesn't sound like MPB to me. None of the shit you have in your scalp would have happened if you had good, healthy, oxygen filled blood flow up there bro. Some people have a fucked up thyroid+a tight scalp and you may just have something similar to MPB but not exactly the same cause..

And when all of this builds up microscopically after a long period of time that is what causes the DHT to get stuck there. DHT can't simply get stuck in the scalp, it has to be some hard tissue merging with the inside of the scalp skin and biochemistry inside which makes it hard to flush the DHT out. When all that happens, the galea and entire scalp gets tight as well ofc. In most cases.

ABSOLUTELY NOT. First of all, I don't even think DHT even "accumulates" anywhere.. It's just overproduced in the Galea region ONLY because of tightness... and once it's loosened, no more overproduction of DHT, inflammation, or messed up DHT/estradiol levels.

Keanoseg wrote:It's frustrating that so far we don't have a single before/after picture of the DT results that shows BIG progress .. the stupidest thing out of all, is sitting here waiting for those pictures