Grow New Hair! (The original Papilla Power??)

Hip, the collagen issue seems to make sense in that you may have been malnourished and causing gut inflammation from toxins/processed foods. You may have been creating a leaky gut issue and inhibitting collagen production. This would have been bad for skin and hair, but you have really seen the wrath of MPB once you were in a full leaky gut state, causing severe inflammtion, allergy to foods, hormone imbalances, all resulting in inflammation, over production of sebum, infection in your scalp.

i think that hormones like DHT will worsen an MPB state trememdously as DHT influences sebum production, bone growth (tight scalp goes along with galea theory) etc. But this is only one piece of the puzzle. So guys without SEVERE MPB/thinning/inflammation/ prob don't have as bad of gut issues, and therfore knocking out DHT does a lot for them, at least initially. But in cases like yours, and mine, DHT blocking will help to some degree, but not solve the issue. And it will of course lead to other issue as well.

Yanks wrote:Hip, the collagen issue seems to make sense in that you may have been malnourished and causing gut inflammation from toxins/processed foods. You may have been creating a leaky gut issue and inhibitting collagen production. This would have been bad for skin and hair, but you have really seen the wrath of MPB once you were in a full leaky gut state, causing severe inflammtion, allergy to foods, hormone imbalances, all resulting in inflammation, over production of sebum, infection in your scalp.

i think that hormones like DHT will worsen an MPB state trememdously as DHT influences sebum production, bone growth (tight scalp goes along with galea theory) etc. But this is only one piece of the puzzle. So guys without SEVERE MPB/thinning/inflammation/ prob don't have as bad of gut issues, and therfore knocking out DHT does a lot for them, at least initially. But in cases like yours, and mine, DHT blocking will help to some degree, but not solve the issue. And it will of course lead to other issue as well.

Yeah, everything in there fits with what I've learned, and you put it very well

The only thing that I don't know about is DHT and bone growth. What is that all about?



And >.< the front of my hair (the lil bit at the front in the middle of the hairline that always comes down a bit more) looks SO thin ._. I am confident we're all along the right lines and we may even have struck gold with this but it's so scary/horrible to see it looking so thin. On the plus side, I can still feel quite a lot of baby hairs around so I know it isn't THAT weak up there! COME ON! Keep fighting lil guys!!

Ok erm, I'm basically copying this girl more:

http://recedinghairline.blogspot.co.uk/

(thank you hellwig SO much for that link!)

Simply because she also has long hair so the choice of brush and the technique of brushing is identical to what I need to do!!

Yay!

I have been brushing for ages tonight and my hair feels fantastic and is looking SO neat and tidy too!! It's really nice to do actually. I'm using a cheap brush at the moment (the hard version of this brush: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Annie-Medium-Bristle-Wave-Brush-100-Boar-Bristle-2160-/140740801387 ) but I will get the one from ferox and also experiment with ones like the girl on blogspot (Pam, apparently!) used, to see what works best for me.

Yay I have a good feeling about this endeavour!

So ferox (and others with success brushing), do you always brush until all of that area is red? Even at my hairline where I can get more brush contact it's hard to get it ALL red without feeling like I'm overdoing it - it usually ends up patchy red and looks kinda sore (nothing too serious ofc, just a little). Is this ok? The patchy redness hangs around for ages..

No noticeable results yet - hair at the centre of my hairline looks noticeably thinner but hopefully that's just due to dying hairs being removed or something. I'll try to make sure I don't actually ever DAMAGE hair, it's just hard to tell where to draw the line.

I've felt like I could feel mild hair stubble and possibly see it on the tiny bald areas where my hairline has receded at the sides but I just don't know yet...

Thanks for the advice and support

EDIT -- Although whoa the vein there is sticking out tons and the area is really warm! Maybe I'm doing better than I think and I just need to be patient

Are many here choosing to do massage and brushing over PapillaPower's method? I didn't get a response when I emailed him and getting a signature notarised would be difficult anyway, so I'm looking for reassurance

Lurx wrote:Are many here choosing to do massage and brushing over PapillaPower's method? I didn't get a response when I emailed him and getting a signature notarised would be difficult anyway, so I'm looking for reassurance

Yeah I've actually got 2 printed copies of the NDA, but due to uncertainty about getting them notarised I haven't done anything with them yet.

I mean, if brushing works then I'm fairly happy with that

Ok how would this technique work for a black guy? I'm black and I can't tell if my skin is pink/red...I'm medium black and I can tell when my arm is red if I scratch it a lot/same for leg but thats on certain sides. It won't work for my scalp...so what do I do? Towel or Brush?

I have this brush...also I found a way to make the technique better...I'll share that with you all too?!

Anyways here is my brush...

http://cdn100.iofferphoto.com/img3/item/112/415/812/double-sided-soft-hard-boar-hair-brush-d1467.jpg

young trunks wrote:Ok how would this technique work for a black guy? I'm black and I can't tell if my skin is pink/red...I'm medium black and I can tell when my arm is red if I scratch it a lot/same for leg but thats on certain sides. It won't work for my scalp...so what do I do? Towel or Brush?

I have this brush...also I found a way to make the technique better...I'll share that with you all too?!

Anyways here is my brush...

http://cdn100.iofferphoto.com/img3/item/112/415/812/double-sided-soft-hard-boar-hair-brush-d1467.jpg

Just brush your scalp and if it starts hurting then you know your skin is red. Vrry easy

this guy was successful at the brush technique and this is what he added...olive oil...

I wanted to see what everyone thought about this..I was thinkin of trying this and add cayenne pepper supplement to increase circulation.

here is his post for treatment:

TREATMENT: Massage any pure, natural oil into scalp, Extra virgin olive, coconut and grape seed work well. Then brush vigorously preferably using a palm held brush with short natural boar bristles.(Quite stiff bristles are best). You can see them on Amazon - they are known as military brushes.
Brush strongly so you feel it stimulating/irritating scalp. But do not overdo it. Do 90 /110 strokes each day and focus on where loss is. You may be apprehensive about irritating scalp - believe me I was too but this is what will force new growth as it unplugs the blocked hair ducts that result in loss - they are experienced as the painful small itching spots.
As you brush some shedding and breakage may occur at first but will quickly stop as brushing makes hair better anchored and stronger. New hairs will appear and will be weak looking and sparse. Keep up the brushing and do not be concerned if brushing uproots them, as they will RE-APPEAR EVEN STRONGER and will not be uprooted.
I found it best at the beginning to apply the oil at night, do the brushing and sleep with it that way and wash off in the morning.

My hair has completely regrown on crown. Where receded at front regrowth was slower at first then each month it became denser.and has also completely regrown.
I only wash hair with totally safe pure soap or shampoo with no toxins - no toxic coloring, no toxic fragrances, no toxic preservatives, no harmful additives of any kind. You can also find them in GNC, Trader Joes, some Walmart Stores, Cost Plus, Wegmans, Earth Fare, and some natural & health foods stores.

P.S. My near bald brother is now using the treatment after seeing my great success. We had not seen each other for 15 years and he and my other totally bald brother and totally bald 18 year old nephew were all amazed to see me with all my hair. Again it clearly shows that genetics has nothing to do with hair loss.

I too have been regrowing a lot of new hairs from massaging and within the last few weeks I have added brushing!
Its been a while since Mr PapillaPower has posted, I have emailed him a few times like he states on his site, but I get no reply...
If his method is really that different from the towel rubbing method and yeilds good results, THIS IS A JOKE!
As he holds very usefull infomation that could help millions and yet does little about helping people...

Anyone intrested in stateing a method (strongly relating to PapillaPowers, but with its own name and a slight alteration to remarket his already once remarketed method)

ferox wrote:Just brush your scalp and if it starts hurting then you know your skin is red. Vrry easy

That's good advice thanks dude

My scalp almost always hurts by the time I stop (which is why I stop).

I tend to keep going until it's just STARTING to hurt, and then I stop because it's becoming uncomfortable (and I do worry about damaging stuff).

Do you keep going when it starts to hurt your scalp, or stop?

Well my hair overall feels pretty damn good from brushing/massaging since i started, one thing i have noticed is I'm getting a lot more small bumps/pimples? along where my "highschool hairline" use to be. Not sure what to make of it since i dont get them anywhere else and i brush my whole scalp. Maybe these hair follicles are starting to react to the brushing/blood flow and are creating more sebum now thus the small bumps/pimples? (if they are pimples they dont get the white head on them just feel like small bumps"

whatever the case i have noticed less hair fall in the shower and i also noticed since brushing that i have not had any inflammation in my scalp, you know that little itch you get sometimes? I don't seem to get that any more.

theseeker86 wrote:Well my hair overall feels pretty damn good from brushing/massaging since i started, one thing i have noticed is I'm getting a lot more small bumps/pimples? along where my "highschool hairline" use to be. Not sure what to make of it since i dont get them anywhere else and i brush my whole scalp. Maybe these hair follicles are starting to react to the brushing/blood flow and are creating more sebum now thus the small bumps/pimples? (if they are pimples they dont get the white head on them just feel like small bumps"

whatever the case i have noticed less hair fall in the shower and i also noticed since brushing that i have not had any inflammation in my scalp, you know that little itch you get sometimes? I don't seem to get that any more.

yeah my scalp feels pretty good too but ofc as I'm also back on Keto shampoo it can be hard to discern what's doing what exactly!!

I did used to have quite a few little pimply bumps on my scalp when I was doing vigorous scalp massages but they seem to have gone now. I get relatively little irritation but I do get a tiny bit of flaking and stuff, but I wasn't sure if that's the Keto so I have reduced the amount of time I leave it in my hair (from about 7-10 minutes to 3-4).

Right now I am only using keto, brushing and those massages that move the surface of your scalp (I figure they might help to loosen the galea area).

Fingers crossed things will start getting better now, I'm still sure I can feel hair stubble ^_^


EDIT -- And thanks ferox I got the brush today! I have been using it a lot on my hairline and galea area, basically, and saving my coarser brush mainly for the back and sides, so as to not wear out the brush you sent on my long hair. It seems ok so far, my scalp feels warm and red and is hurting veeery slightly from being brushed so much lol

Hopefully it's all up from here!

Hi all -

I just got a haircut. I thought I'd post an update. I feel it's important due to the fact that I am about seven months in and blown away. At this point I feel like the hair thing is no longer an issue. And I don't mean no longer an issue because I've stopped the loss. I mean no longer an issue because not only is it stopped, but I have regrowth, and I now believe that in at least the next year or two my hair will be back to that of a teenager - hopefully with a better haircut I am 44.

I did make some cuts to my routine, as at this point I felt things were overkill: Here WAS my routine: (it doesn't show in my signature for some reason)

"1. Tom Hagerty Scalp Exercises (Intermittent and for the last three years. Probably not doing much by itself)
2. Quit Shampoo: I use 1/2 t-spoon of baking soda (aluminum free) in one cup of warm water 2x per week. Works great for cleaning. Probably does nothing for regrowth alone.
3. Supplements: MK 7, D3, Kelp, and Vitamin C (Daily). Red wine (2x per week)
4. Maliniak Method (Daily)
5. Papilla Method (Daily)
6. Yoga headstand pose -Salamba Sirsasana (4 mornings per week for at least one to two minutes)"

Out of the above I cut the following:

3. I've slowed down on the supplements. Right now I am just taking MK 7, Kelp, and Wine
4. Maliniak Violet Ray. Good method. But I no longer feel this is necessary. I maybe do it once or twice a week for fun. I still do the massage a couple times a week.
6. The headstand. Margo mentioned this is actually not good in her book. Makes sense. Handstands might be good. But maybe not headstands. In either case. That is gone for now.

For now for the most part my routine is:

Margo Method Daily
-Brush/Wood bristle
-Claw brush with my fingernails
-Maliniak Massage a couple times per week
-Bernar McFadden hair pull (found in this thread. I posted a link to the book)
-Some of the IH 6 when I remember

I took before pictures in Jan 2011. In those pics I combed my hair in such a way that would really accentuate the loss. When I do finally post my after pics. Perhaps by the end of this year, I will comb my hair the same way.

I felt this update was important, as everything I am doing is free.

One funny side effect over the last few months - perhaps to do with cycles - was that my very front hairline looked super thick, but barely grew. Everything else grew like weeds but that section basically stayed the same.

Cheers everyone.
Keep margoing it up.

hoppipolla wrote:So ferox (and others with success brushing), do you always brush until all of that area is red?

Yes. I make my scalp totally pink when I brush, and all other things in this thread. I like to make a claw with my hands and with my fingernails brush my scalp from front to back in the shower, one hundred reps. That makes it really pink. Then I stick my head under the water and it burns for a sec. Good times

When I first started I drew blood a couple times.

It's an unintuitive method. I was told not to brush, scrub, rub, pull etc my hair... when growing up. Turns out that was a bunch of BS. At least for me.

Duel_ black: how bad was/ is your hairloss?

SlowMoe wrote:Duel_ black: how bad was/ is your hairloss?

The loss was bad enough for me to start researching natural solutions heavily in 2008. I don't know the exact norwood. With a buzz cut I basically had the island look: The front section of my hair was a complete separate island from the rest of the top. I have thick hair so it is easier to hide with longer hair. However, a couple years ago I had a couple women make comments about it, when they were mad at me …It was becoming noticable to others for sure. Likewise the island is refilling back up, without question for sure. Not because I am covering it. But because of regrowth.

duel_black wrote:

SlowMoe wrote:Duel_ black: how bad was/ is your hairloss?

The loss was bad enough for me to start researching natural solutions heavily in 2008. I don't know the exact norwood. With a buzz cut I basically had the island look: The front section of my hair was a complete separate island from the rest of the top. I have thick hair so it is easier to hide with longer hair. However, a couple years ago I had a couple women make comments about it, when they were mad at me …It was becoming noticable to others for sure. Likewise the island is refilling back up, without question for sure. Not because I am covering it. But because of regrowth.

Hoppi likes this! ^_^



Hope it keeps getting better man!

So massages are needed? or just brush?

young trunks wrote:So massages are needed? or just brush?

A good brush is probably enough. I think most people including myself just do more to enhance it

ive been doing the papilla method for almost 3 months now, some of my hair is growing in different length now just like what papilla said. I'm shedding more hair now, its mostly the shorter hair that is shedding. I also went from a 1.5 mpb to a 2 easily, luckily people can't even tell I'm losing hair because of the way I style my hair after the papilla method.

Oo I'm pretty sure I have a "fuzz" of new hair in front of my old hairline! The previously hairless bits are fuzzy I think O.O

I'll keep brushing and massaging! ^^

For those that are massaging their scalp, do you do it straight after brushing?

I noticed that since massaging straight after brushing my scalp feels a lot better.

theseeker86 wrote:For those that are massaging their scalp, do you do it straight after brushing?

I noticed that since massaging straight after brushing my scalp feels a lot better.

I actually do it before brushing... but... I don't really act as if there is a huge connection between the two, as I massage to loosen my scalp and I brush to increase bloodflow, so I perceive them as being relatively unrelated. However you may be right, I dunno

hoppipolla wrote:

theseeker86 wrote:For those that are massaging their scalp, do you do it straight after brushing?

I noticed that since massaging straight after brushing my scalp feels a lot better.

I actually do it before brushing... but... I don't really act as if there is a huge connection between the two, as I massage to loosen my scalp and I brush to increase bloodflow, so I perceive them as being relatively unrelated. However you may be right, I dunno

any videos on what/how to do massages? Could you tell me how you do it?