Ebola Virus

nice posts, teacup

specially like this product, which uses cysteine instead of methionine bound to selenium. to be fair, i use it also because of price-effectiveness, since i like also the other additions.


http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Selenium-Synergy-200-mcg-60-Capsules/169#p=1&oos=1&disc=0&lc=en-US&w=selenium%20jarrow&rc=13&sr=null&ic=1

and this is the MSM that's recommended on the regimen page http://www.iherb.com/MRM-MSM-Crystals-200-g/41347?=hil335

teacup wrote:and this is the MSM that's recommended on the regimen page http://www.iherb.com/MRM-MSM-Crystals-200-g/41347?=hil335

Correct.

Vitamin E is definitely helpful. I take tocosorb, which contains both tocotrienols and tocopherols (all 8 isomers) and it's a pro-hair supplement too.

Before Ebola, there were discussions here on viruses, you mentioned one could stop AIDS.. so is dealing with Ebola basically the same as dealing with ANY other virus issues (take your pick, HIV/AIDS, Hep., flu, mumps, etc)?

teacup wrote:Before Ebola, there were discussions here on viruses, you mentioned one could stop AIDS.. so is dealing with Ebola basically the same as dealing with ANY other virus issues (take your pick, HIV/AIDS, Hep., flu, mumps, etc)?

It's a bit more complicated than that.

AIDS could mean a torn down immune system from various sources (drugs). AIDS isn't a specific thing, it's just a shut down of the immune system. AZT was a liver toxic drug given to people with a HIV diagnosis (a misnomer in itself and a completely unreliable, non-meaningful test). Those people got sick due to the 'treatment' and not the HIV itself.

However, if a person has a worn down immune system, and they stop taking immunosuppressant drugs, then doing any of the previous mention things will help.

Caustic, I'm still not clear on some things.

If viruses don't exist, how exactly do our cells create them if they become toxic or die?

If viruses don't exist, then where do the viruses that are injected via vaccine come from?

whodathunkit wrote:Caustic, I'm still not clear on some things.  

If viruses don't exist, how exactly do our cells create them if they become toxic or die?

If viruses don't exist, then where do the viruses that are injected via vaccine come from?

lol. I can see why things are not clear. Unless I made a typo, I never recalled stating that viruses do not exist.

So to clarify, they do exist.

What I am stating in reference to disease is that viruses can injure us from foreign agents like vaccines (introduced into the blood stream).

However, airborne, ingestion will not do anything.

In terms of viruses produced from our own cells, that definitely happens. And the body does this for a very specific reason (to reduce toxic debris from cells).

However, when adequate glutathione is made (thanks to nutrients), toxins are quickly reduced and viral replication is no longer needed. The body simply stops making the viruses.

I've seen this over and over again.

There's numerous examples that would create holes in any virus causes disease argument. For example, when implants are removed, viral loads spontaneously disappear.

When a toxin via food is ingested, we could call that a form of food poisoning. The liver will reveal some inflammation in the form of a virus. Did they "catch" something?  I think not. Some IV vitamin C, oral selenium will knock that out quickly.

The primary reason why this massive belief system is continually perpetuated is because industry is making a fortune. There's absolutely no incentive to change anyone's perceptions.

FWIW, I'm more not skeptical than skeptical on the alternative viewpoint.   If that makes sense.  Call me increasingly not skeptical.  

The biggest problem I  have is that there has to be some outside causative agent to cause everyone to have all these same symptoms.  I want to understand more.  

So you're saying that our cells actually create viruses out of what...?  Our own DNA...?  On demand, to clean up a toxin load or some perceived threat to the system (like an implant or toxin or some microorganism ingested in food, etc.?)  No "virus" ever harms us from outside the body?

If that's the case, for some dis-ease state like Ebola, what do you think is happening?   Is it some other toxin or pathogen that's being spread to cause everyone's bodies to replicate these viruses that cause the same symptoms in some people who are exposed?

Is it like the polymorphism theory in Rife (hope I got that right, it's been a while since I've talked or read up on it), where a multiple organisms can live inside one another like Russian nesting dolls, each causing a new symptom when the "host" dies and it is freed?  

I get that not everyone exposed to Ebola will get sick, esp.if they're fairly healthy.   That totally makes sense to me.   But even in someone healthy and taking loads of stuff like C and selenium, wouldn't being exposed to large amounts of whatever it is that causes the virus replication in our bodies be as bad as not taking loads of stuff?  That is, couldn't the body be overwhelmed by over-exposure to the causative regardless of the foundational state of health and amount of vitamin C/selenium taken?

Does any of that make any sense at all?  LOL  I'm so tired I'm not entirely sure.  

Sorry if I'm making you repeat something you've already said.   This is a long thread and it's been a long day.   Abbreviated would be fine.  

whodathunkit wrote:
The biggest problem I  have is that there has to be some outside causative agent to cause everyone to have all these same symptoms.  I want to understand more.  

my guesses are either:
The same bacteria, or
The same type of toxin exposure.

but lets see what CS says


The guy that just died of Ebola in TX, his liver failed after they have him the experimental drug. it was on NPR tonight.

whodathunkit wrote:FWIW, I'm more not skeptical than skeptical on the alternative viewpoint.   If that makes sense.  Call me increasingly not skeptical.  

The biggest problem I  have is that there has to be some outside causative agent to cause everyone to have all these same symptoms.  I want to understand more.  

So you're saying that our cells actually create viruses out of what...?  Our own DNA...?  On demand, to clean up a toxin load or some perceived threat to the system (like an implant or toxin or some microorganism ingested in food, etc.?)  No "virus" ever harms us from outside the body?

If that's the case, for some dis-ease state like Ebola, what do you think is happening?   Is it some other toxin or pathogen that's being spread to cause everyone's bodies to replicate these viruses that cause the same symptoms in some people who are exposed?

Is it like the polymorphism theory in Rife (hope I got that right, it's been a while since I've talked or read up on it), where a multiple organisms can live inside one another like Russian nesting dolls, each causing a new symptom when the "host" dies and it is freed?  

I get that not everyone exposed to Ebola will get sick, esp.if they're fairly healthy.   That totally makes sense to me.   But even in someone healthy and taking loads of stuff like C and selenium, wouldn't being exposed to large amounts of whatever it is that causes the virus replication in our bodies be as bad as not taking loads of stuff?  That is, couldn't the body be overwhelmed by over-exposure to the causative regardless of the foundational state of health and amount of vitamin C/selenium taken?

Does any of that make any sense at all?  LOL  I'm so tired I'm not entirely sure.  

Sorry if I'm making you repeat something you've already said.   This is a long thread and it's been a long day.   Abbreviated would be fine.  

Symptoms of ebola can be hemorrhagic fever. An acute scurvy (vitamin C deficiency) can cause the same symptoms.

60% of all deaths are caused by FDA approved, properly prescribed drugs. Wouldn't be surprised if that ebola case was ended that way.

Too bad they don't use high-dose vitamin C (oh but, wait that's not approved by the government).

Getting back to ebola....it is known that in these war torn countries, where sanitation and nutrition are at ultra lows, there's also the fact that water quality is suspect. There could be any sort of toxin, depleting the body of necessary resources, dulling the immune system.

So right.....if one buys into the understanding of the law of the terrain, then a toxic environment creates a harmful situation. The body will do what it can to eradicate the problem. A fever increases vasodilation and allows increased permeability to transport essential substances. Everything happens for a reason. Unfortunately, "modern" medicine is constantly trying to prevent the body from doing its proper job.

When people begin to fear "catching something" the argument usually goes something like this:

"I caught something from my daughter"

Maybe the barometric pressure (from change of weather) forced the increase of local microbes in the nose and ear canals.

I see sick people all the time, why do I not "catch" anything?

Maybe because you have a strong immune system

My response - Right! A strong immune system.

Here's further info in terms of ebola:

http://www.drpasswater.com/nutrition_library/selenium1.html

I can always add many more variables. People often get sick because they are low on sleep and experience a lot of stress (both proven to lower immunity).

We have 10:1 more germs/microbes than our own human cells.

So why do antibiotics work? Because its the endotoxin from the bacteria that create illness. So when an antibiotic is taken, there's less of this emission.

Bacteria also have a large degree of protection against toxins. When a toxic threshold has been reached, viral production begins in the cell.

CS, in regards to the common cold, so... its a virus that our cells produce in order to push out toxins from the body. The toxins are pushed into the lungs, the lungs produce mucus to contain the toxins and then they are expelled through the mouth/nose...in a nut shell?

well fuck. the first case in Australia. a nurse from a ebola treatment clinic in sierra leone, not confirmed , but shes in isolation cos of a fever. pretty obvious

this could be affecting our familes pretty soon. all it will take is for one of these people coming back from africa to vomit on a plane or something and we will be screwed.

Kazbar wrote:CS, in regards to the common cold, so... its a virus that our cells produce in order to push out toxins from the body. The toxins are pushed into the lungs, the lungs produce mucus to contain the toxins and then they are expelled through the mouth/nose...in a nut shell?

I think in simple terms, a "common" cold can be a detoxification, or a result of poor sleep and high stress, not allowing the body to clean itself up after a lot of metabolic waste.

So, if the body is ill equipped to handle things from a nutrient point of view, it can raise the viral levels.

A lot more detail here and maybe just as interesting is the correct application of zinc to combat it.

http://coldcure.com/html/zinc-lozenges-as-cure-for-common-cold.pdf

Thought provoking...

Not related to the topic, but find it somehow interesting.

Since the overheating is a way of dealing with the toxins, i wonder how IR sauna performs in terms of lowering viral loads. I am in contact with quality IR sauna producer that tries to do science out of it. Their system has feedback loop that measures temperature of the body core and elsewhere.It regulates how much heat is applied to the user. When people have greater viral loads (from the let say - common cold), they need less and less IR heat to increase the body temperature. They are also more heat sensitive and worse at regulating body temperature over the body. Measurements suggests, IR sauna decrease the symptoms and the suggested catch is detox through sweating and increased nutrient delivery due increased blood flow and micro-circulation. Would adding selenium, vitamin C, glutathione and whole nutrition palette before sauna, be synergistic with performing a IR sauna therapy? I do it mostly afterwards replacing the what's been lost through sweating.

CS, your thoughts about it. Also which toxins can leave the body through sweating using IR sauna?

The idea of sweating out the diseases, yep, i think it works IMO, i think it's something indigenous people, and people throughout history did.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

I think in simple terms, a "common" cold can be a detoxification, or a result of poor sleep and high stress, not allowing the body to clean itself up after a lot of metabolic waste.

So, if the body is ill equipped to handle things from a nutrient point of view, it can raise the viral levels.

A lot more detail here and maybe just as interesting is the correct application of zinc to combat it.

http://coldcure.com/html/zinc-lozenges-as-cure-for-common-cold.pdf

CS,
i have experienced cold symptoms even sore throats after a bad night of sleep, or a number of nights of low quality sleep, yep.. sleep is very healing.   I have gotten IBS  (i know its not a viral thing) after a few days of stress or negative thoughts.  Sleep, thoughts, environmental toxins,   and probably the placebo effect (mind over matter) have a role in disease.  <- duh

I have heard people say they get the flu once they go to a school building/around many kids, they catch the virus from the kids... and i often see coworkers catch the flu one by one -- but, i sit there, and never "catch" it, if i get sick i get sick on my own schedule (and not even in flu season) ....

I wonder how much of this is driven by expectations or fear, i see someone being sick and i fear getting sick so i get sick, a kind of emulation, or down the same lines why you yawn when you see someone else yawning.

In the past, when i started feeling the cold/flu symptoms i took a gram or 2 of vit C   <--i normally take just 500mg a day of C which is very low. and it helps in a good way, but sleep is also a major factor for healing, i have not gotten sick with the flu in over a year simply because i take C when i feel it coming on...

I am glad you mentioned sleep, i was noticing that in my life,  when i dont sleep well i get cold/flu symptoms along with other symptoms like brain fog, depression, stiff neck, chest pain, and of course a lack of general energy.  Lack of sleep is a form of torture.

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Then you have the environment, i bet there are countless harmful chemicals everywhere that people dont know, mold, chemicals in buildings from paint, furniture, cleaners, carpets etc.. not to count food, cosmetics, water, things we put on our skin .. things you touch like a power cord that has lead in it, surfaces cleaned with cleaners like inside your car, pertochemicals from a visit to the gas station, then you have the air, the lakes, the oceans the rivers  all of these are loaded with man-made and also natural substances that are bad for the body from heavy metals, crude oil to plastic dust and medications and the list of harmful substances is probably impossible to compile .. chemicals that belong in a lab not in nature or in/on your body, plastic dust, gases, vaccines, food that is fake and full of added things, denatured foods ...  people share the air in a building, even in a city, so when a bunch get symptoms maybe they are reacting to the environment and the countless invisible (and almost always unseen and un-thought of things) .. i like to think of my office space as a fish tank ... imagine your house, office, school, building being a fish tank then you will start to see how substances disperse, how they linger, how substances can come of many sources and enter into the water in the tank  and you are the fish .. some how you need to stay cleaner than the environment and eliminate waste and toxins.   this does not take into account any of the more controversial topics like chemtrail pollution, electromagnetic fields and waves dirty electricity wifi not being grounded to the earth etc.  But living life thinking about all this isnt healthy either, and to many they simply cannot comprehend or imagine it, or dont want to, so they ignore it, or they dont know what they dont know.  for those who know, you need to learn how to not obsess, knowledge is power, but so is wisdom you need to know when to act, how to act, when to just live normally whatever that means to you..pick your battles, walk an educated line without going crazy. just my 2 cents

Beebrox wrote:Thought provoking...

Not related to the topic, but find it somehow interesting.

Since the overheating is a way of dealing with the toxins, i wonder how IR sauna performs in terms of lowering viral loads. I am in contact with quality IR sauna producer that tries to do science out of it. Their system has feedback loop that measures temperature of the body core and elsewhere.It regulates how much heat is applied to the user. When people have greater viral loads (from the let say - common cold), they need less and less IR heat to increase the body temperature. They are also more heat sensitive and worse at regulating body temperature over the body. Measurements suggests, IR sauna decrease the symptoms and the suggested catch is detox through sweating and increased nutrient delivery due increased blood flow and micro-circulation. Would adding selenium, vitamin C, glutathione and whole nutrition palette before sauna, be synergistic with performing a IR sauna therapy? I do it mostly afterwards replacing the what's been lost through sweating.

CS, your thoughts about it. Also which toxins can leave the body through sweating using IR sauna?

I remember using my IR sauna excessively. I had (still do) own a very cheap one. After some research, a lot of what gets lost is both good and bad.

So I starting increasing my iodine even more, and especially sodium chloride. Surprisingly, not that much magnesium or potassium gets lost. Also, I found that zinc and copper would get lost as well as iron. I like the iron being lost because most men have far too much.

One of the biggest advantages of the IR sauna is getting rid of xenoestrogens and most of those very hard to eliminate toxins. This really cleans one on the inside.

The only caution about the IR sauna and this is all thanks to Xenon is the heat factor. As a precaution I wrap a cold water towel to insure that there isn't excessive heat from the scalp that needs escaping.

One of the best things for cancer treatment is an IR sauna. The heat will dramatically cause apoptosis to the cancer cells.

So yes, would absolutely add minerals and salts before or after the IR sauna.

teacup - Well stated. Another thing on that note. One common cause of many people getting sick at relatively the same periods is the effect of barometric pressure. This usually occurs during a slight weather change and it causes the microbes to concentrate heavily in the ear and nose canals.

CS, would you be pro isolation/quarantine of a patient exhibiting Ebola symptoms?

Would you touch a bodily fluid from someone that is believed to have ebola without a glove on?

Thank you.

teacup wrote:CS, would you be pro isolation/quarantine of a patient exhibiting Ebola symptoms?

Would you touch a bodily fluid from someone that is believed to have ebola without a glove on?

Not CS, but I would take all possible precautions, including isolating the patient and using all available protective gear, etc.

Even if you can't catch it you can probably spread it to other people.   Using safety protocols is as much about preventing spread in susceptible populations as it is about protecting the individual who is actually working with the victim or their bodily fluids.  It's easier to become completely clean after stripping off protective gear and taking a shower, than it is to become completely clean merely by taking a shower.   As an example of why protective gear should be used.

Plus, why take the chance for yourself?  I myself wouldn't be overly paranoid about it..if I had to care for someone absent protective gear or anything I could use for protection, I would.   But unless there was absolutely nothing around I could use for protection, I would always use something.  Even garbage bags, which I read about some woman doing over in Africa. Caution never hurt anyone.

teacup wrote:CS, would you be pro isolation/quarantine of a patient exhibiting Ebola symptoms?  

Would you touch a bodily fluid from someone that is believed to have ebola without a glove on?

I haven't seen any compelling evidence of this. One of the most popular phrases without history is, "the bigger the lie the harder it is not to believe it."

Myths like this die hard. If one thinks of this from the stand point of germs, we are loaded in them. We are outnumbered by them. However, even healthy microbes than be harmful if out of balance. For example, microbes that allow the production of B-vitamins can be harmful if they are in excess of other microbes. It's all about balance.

From a viral perspective...what toxin(s) could cause symptoms of ebola? Probably many. There are many types of toxins that strip away vitamin C, causing every symptom of ebola and other diseases.

If a skin virus is found in abundance, there's a skin toxin, if there's a liver virus, there's a toxin that damages the liver.

Why fear ebola when vitamin C is readily available?

CS, so you think that it would be responsible for a health professional (or anyone) to have contact with an ebola patient without protection, and then move onto other people who don't understand about, or have access to, vitamin C/selenium, etc., without thorough decontamination?

thank you CS. This discussion is very good, thanks.
Personally I'm not there yet, i would not touch. I'm still struggling with the no germ theory, or the terrain idea.. I need to re-read and think and research, spend some time with this compelling theory. Even so, how can I be sure my terrain is healthy enough to not catch the bacteria or whatever it is thats giving these people ebola symptoms.

I also want take this opportunity to offer this disclaimer from myself and probably anyone else here to ayone reading these website's discussions, this info is for education purposes and to promote debate, i do not make any health recommendations, see your health provider or the fda, dont take my word for anything, follow your own logic or your health care person or experiment at your own responsibility. AKA "be a grown up".

To even entertain the thought that Vitamin C will render you immune to Ebola is quackness at it's worst. And very, very dangerous.