welp, my hair is growing back

JDawg wrote:

rofl wrote:thats good if ur right, but i remain skeptical.

this isnt meant to offend its  not because im negative, or refuse to believe in manual methods, but because ive yet to see any real results from any manuals.

u know how since u started youve been looking closely at ur hairline , looking for new hairs?  did u look just as closely before u started, to get a baseline?
its possible to mistake miniturizing hairs for new growth.  after all miniurizing hairs do grow bigger.  its just that each cycle the resulting terminal hair is smaller.

these new hairs, are they right on the edge of ur hairline?  was there anything there before, or did u not look closely enough.

my point is, just wait and see if after a while the end result is better or worse, because in the short term things can seem better, when long term ur still miniturizing.

however, now that ive said that.  good luck. i hope for ur sake ur right, and i hope these manuals are the answer to mpb, i just havent seen the evidence yet.
i would love to be proven wrong.  however after countless times trying something new, seeing new lil hairs, thinking wow its working, then down the track finding out those lil hairs, have been replaced by even smaller hairs, ive learnt to be cautious.

ROFL no need to apologize for being a skeptic.  I feel you there.  Believe me, I want all the stuff I read on here to be 100% true, but in actuality there have only been three people I've seen post any evidence of regrowth with manuals:  
Duketronix
Sloemoe
Drexx

And all three have been completely honest with their self-appraisals, saying it's been a gradual process and not an immediate improvement.  

I agree with you about the miniaturizing hairs being mistaken for terminals idea.  I had that happen to me.  Last october I thought I saw a new terminal hair coming in after just starting the IH regimen. Turns out it was a hair growing in that was minituriing and is now gone, poof!

I've got a couple more that I honestly can't tell if they are new terminals or minitures. I bought a pretty good and affordable scalp magnifier the other day, one that has the ability to capture images so I'm really going to be as scientific as I can the next 4-6 months and not just rely on my eyes and wishful thinking.

I hate being the "no pics or it didn't happen" voice, but this shit is too important to so many of us to just be relying on anecdotal evidence without photos.

1) There are other people with regrowth pics here as well. 2) There are few people complying & performing the correct manuals. 3) There are many pics of people regrowing hair on HLH forums (I posted a couple links a few days ago)

Ain't satisfied with the proof and don't want to take the dozens of anecdotes from reputable people on here (that have nothing to gain from lying) into consideration? I'm sorry but, that's your problem my guy. TBH We don't have to provide you guys with any regrowth pics man... Some of us have many personal reasons as to why we don't upload pics. I bet you if CS was balding and claimed regrowth off of taking a certain detoxification supplement or something guys wouldn't complain then.

To be honest bro you just have to suck it up, acknowledge and trust the evidence, & DO IT YOURSELF. Why do you need a pic to enable you to go ahead and perform a free manual massage?? I have yet to see or hear about anybody not obtaining results from performing the right manuals... I've also seen pics of guys regaining their whole frontal area already... But you wanna know what got me my hair back? Acknowledging the anecdotal evidence and science/scientific evidence that backed this shit up, and most importantly, taking ACTION. People that will wait for science to patent something similar to what everyone is doing now on these free to join hair loss forums will be fucked untill then... It's your choice whether or not you want to cure your hair loss now with FREE manuals or be a "skeptic" and just keep on losing your hair until a mainstream cure comes out (which would probably be never lol)

Besides, sonetimes when guys upload pics on here they get bashed for it & you can't tell me no... & even if this dude rofl sees things such as evidence or proof, and is told certain things like "I wasn't on minox 6 months ago" like the convo that him & slowmoe had, he will still go around saying he did in fact use minox 6 months ago. This guy is either an idiot or he's just playing games... I'm just glad there's only one rofl and not a whole bunch of them on here like there is on bald truth or hair loss help forums.

Good luck man
Complexx

i don't think it is possible to get regrowth in only a month from manuals. but take some pics right now and then post up some terminal's to prove me wrong when it comes back.

it's possible to get regrowth, I feel you kinda have loosen and stimulate blood flow together to get best results though. and I'm not crazy. saw my mom today and she was like woa you have all these new little hairs around your hairline.

thing is, with us getting results we don't really need to prove to skeptics anything. I'm so happy with what I'm seeing that I honestly couldn't care less what the skeptics say.

I also never took baseline pics because I absolutely hated looking at my hair a few months ago. as someone who really hated looking in the mirror the last thing I wanted to do was capture those moments forever.

i have no problem with u guys not wanting to post photos. Its true u dont owe us anything. thats ur choice, and i dont want my pics on the net either. but just dont make huge claims like 'u have the cure' without backing it up with evidence.

i wish we lived in a world where u could trust peoples words on a internet forum but we dont. we live in a world where companies profit billions a year from treatments that dont work.

ive seen drex, slowmoes and duketronixs photos and none of them impress me. in fact i see no improvement. im sorry , but thats my honest appraisal. Sure, u dont owe us anything, but if going to make a statement like 'doing X exercise reverses mpb', then the responsibility is on u to prove it. otherwise u simply wont be believed. this holds especially true when someone is selling a product, as some of the ppl here are.

Peace.

rofl wrote:i have no problem with u guys not wanting to post photos.  Its true u dont owe us anything.  thats ur choice, and i dont want my pics on the net either.  but just dont make huge claims like 'u have the cure' without backing it up with evidence.

i wish we lived in a world where u could trust peoples words on a internet forum but we dont.  we live in a world where companies profit billions a year from treatments that dont work.

ive seen drex, slowmoes and duketronixs photos and none of them impress me.  in fact i see no improvement.  im sorry , but thats my honest appraisal.  Sure, u dont owe us anything, but if going to make a statement like 'doing X exercise reverses mpb', then the responsibility is on u to prove it.  otherwise u simply wont be believed.  this holds especially true when someone is selling a product, as some of the ppl here are.

Peace.

You just don't want to believe. If I took DUT and minoxidil and dermarolled for a year and showed you my pics I guarantee you would believe there was regrowth.

sanderson wrote:i don't think it is possible to get regrowth in only a month from manuals. but take some pics right now and then post up some terminal's to prove me wrong when it comes back.

The earliest ive seen was 3 weeks...

I'm not trying to pick fights guys, I'm just saying that taking someone's word that something is working for them is irresponsible on both parties.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories that big pharma has agents trying to eradicate evidence of manuals, I'm saying that people who have attained success with manuals are not very good about posting pictures of results.

Why should any of us take anyone's word here? We don't know each other, and there's nothing at stake for anyone to claim something if they aren't showing evidence. I get that people don't want to post photos online, but at least document it for yourself.

Even Tom Hagerty, godfather of scalp massage claimed that he regrew hair on his temples after he lost it at 19 but there's no evidence other than his word. Sure, he had a lot of hair now for an 80 year old, but it's sort of hard to believe that he regrew a lot from his manuals methods. Actually, it's impossible to know how much he regrew since there is not evidence besides his anecdotes.

I've been taking photos and have been doing the IH regimen and some manual massage methods for almost a year now and I am NOT getting regrowth. Like I said before, I have bought a scalp magnifier and am really going to be as clinical as I can over the next 4-6 months. Continuing to work the supplement regimen, my LLLT and manuals to see what happens.

I know that minox and fin and other chemicals work, but I'm trying to stay away from them if I can help it. Also there's tons of photographic evidence for those treatments which is why it's hard to leap of faith onto the manuals or even Maliniak's website (due to the poor quality of his photos).

Complexxx, if you wouldn't mind reposting any links showing serious regrowth with manuals, I'd love to see them. I apologize if I missed them before. As I said, Duke, Drexx, and Sloe are the only ones I've seen on here that have shown regrowth.

My bad, I had missed the links complexx posted in the thread, no need to repost.

That needling looks like it did well for him.

Let's remember though he AND the study CS posted both used minox. It's neither here nor there, but it's a fact and I know alot of us on this site are eschewing chemicals.

JDawg wrote:My bad, I had missed the links complexx posted in the thread, no need to repost.

That needling looks like it did well for him.  

Let's remember though he AND the study CS posted both used minox.  It's neither here nor there, but it's a fact and I know alot of us on this site are eschewing chemicals.

I still don't see a single link, am I blind ?

yeah bro i'm jerking you guys around. please buy my product

oh wait

JDawg wrote:My bad, I had missed the links complexx posted in the thread, no need to repost.

That needling looks like it did well for him.  

Let's remember though he AND the study CS posted both used minox.  It's neither here nor there, but it's a fact and I know alot of us on this site are eschewing chemicals.

Minox is a nitrous oxide agonist with vasodilator properties..... You are physically remodeling the scalp, promoting growth factors, and creating new vascularity with the dermaroller. Minox does shot for people without the dermaroller. What minox does is promotes blood flow to the new "networks" that you created with the dermaroller. I bet money if there was a study done with Detumescence Therapy + Dermarolling (and a violet ray too, why the fuck not?)+ Emu Oil The results would be 10x better than any results you see here. If you dermaroll & DON'T have disrupted blood flow (tight Galea) you wouldn't need minox. I'd rather slap my head than use minox.

PS: There are people on that thread that are getting great resukts without minox too. Also, you're never going to see a study with "natural remedies" used in it without a pharmaceutical grade topical medicine & one does come out it'll just get bashed just like the Detumescence therapy did. Isn't it a coincidence that the Detumescence therapy is the best massage out there? Jeeeez fucking scammers! They created a website that is free to look at and took our free money! Scammers! FDA>EVERYTHING!!!! SPARTA!

JDawg wrote:I'm not trying to pick fights guys, I'm just saying that taking someone's word that something is working for them is irresponsible on both parties.

I don't believe in conspiracy theories that big pharma has agents trying to eradicate evidence of manuals, I'm saying that people who have attained success with manuals are not very good about posting pictures of results.

Why should any of us take anyone's word here? We don't know each other, and there's nothing at stake for anyone to claim something if they aren't showing evidence. I get that people don't want to post photos online, but at least document it for yourself.

Even Tom Hagerty, godfather of scalp massage claimed that he regrew hair on his temples after he lost it at 19 but there's no evidence other than his word.  Sure, he had a lot of hair now for an 80 year old, but it's sort of hard to believe that he regrew a lot from his manuals methods.  Actually, it's impossible to know how much he regrew since there is not evidence besides his anecdotes.

I've been taking photos and have been doing the IH regimen and some manual massage methods for almost a year now and I am NOT getting regrowth.  Like I said before, I have bought a scalp magnifier and am really going to be as clinical as I can over the next 4-6 months. Continuing to work the supplement regimen, my LLLT and manuals to see what happens.

I know that minox and fin and other chemicals work, but I'm trying to stay away from them if I can help it.  Also there's tons of photographic evidence for those treatments which is why it's hard to leap of faith onto the manuals or even Maliniak's website (due to the poor quality of his photos).

Complexxx, if you wouldn't mind reposting any links showing serious regrowth with manuals, I'd love to see them. I apologize if I missed them before.  As I said, Duke, Drexx, and Sloe are the only ones I've seen on here that have shown regrowth.

Maliniak, poor quality, Fin, IH regimen.... Dude, no diet in the world will help your baldness if you have a tight galea to address. I bet you money you aren't doing the right manuals... Look man, start performing the Detumescence Therapy massage and report to us in 3-4 months... If that doesn't work for you then you can call quits all you want and go the chelating, diet, chemical route all you want.

PS: Diet does help but it won't reverse anything if you have a genuine case of MPB. Diet is still an important factor for me for hair loss & life in general but it isn't something I give credit to fit helping with my hair loss. Had I stopped manuals and focused on diet I would have never gotten results. Just try it out man.

BTW what manuals were you using before?

'You just don't want to believe. If I took DUT and minoxidil and dermarolled for a year and showed you my pics I guarantee you would believe there was regrowth.'


BS I do want to believe. i want a cure, i want a better treatment, i want an end to this messed up trait.

im not here to offend, i just havent seen any results.

how many times in history has someone claimed regrowth, and a few years down the track theyve been able to prove it continued past the initial vellus hair stage? to find something that works is a one in a million shot.

the only reason id believe results from fin and minox, is because there is proof it does work (although i do not recommend ppl use them cos of the obvious reasons) if i couldfind one good before and after picture that compares to fin and minox results, id probably be sold, but ive yet to see them.

im sorry, thats just the way i feel. u guys are taking it too personally. im all about science.

What's better between dermarolling and brushing scalp with a boar birstle brush

ROFL i understand you beeing sceptical, i am too and i am monitoring changes considering my hair very closely.
i got minor results by only 2 months of regular massages/brushes (vellus hair in front of my hairline and terminal in 1/8 inch on the sides and corners of temples + more hair volume + thickness). these might be changes noone else notices though.

now with the detumescence i feel like this is a totally different chapter, it literally restores the natural "in touch" feeling with your scalp within days, i can feel more peach fuzz on my crown and its more much fun to touch it now that its alive again. even if it doesn´t regrow hair this is something everybody should do because its healthy. something you maybe can´t understand till youve done it yourself.

i think the reasons why nobody has tried that are obvious:

the whole industry + doctors tell you to be gentle on your scalp, not to irritate it be careful not to rip out your remaining hairs etc..which is totally unlogical, since prevention of irritation is the main reason for hair growth..think of an animal running through the woods, it would be scratched all over, with hair it kind of slides through.

so it is logical IMO that rubbing, hurting and scratching promotes regrowth, makes absolute sense to me.

Dara27 wrote:What's better between dermarolling and brushing scalp with a boar birstle brush

do both..first brush then roll.

Complexx wrote:
Maliniak, poor quality, Fin, IH regimen.... Dude, no diet in the world will help your baldness if you have a tight galea to address. I bet you money you aren't doing the right manuals...

You realize that you're posting on a forum created by someone who is ALL about internals, right?

I don't understand this post either, are you saying that Maliniak is not good? I thought you were a violet ray fan? Sometimes I feel like you're all over the place with what you're preaching. Is it EFT? Derma-rolling? Massage? Emu Oil? All of them?

Complexx, I love your passion and your enthusiasm, but with all due respect, you're 21 and claim you went from a NW 1.5 back to a NW 1 in a matter of months. So please forgive me (and anyone else) if I take your assurances that you've found the cure for MPB with a grain of salt.

Honestly Ive been brushing for 2 years now and I don't see any regrowth, my hair line did get worst thou but not much. I stopped brushing ever since I started doing manliak and detumescence about 2 weeks ago.

boogv510 wrote:Honestly Ive been brushing for 2 years now and I don't see any regrowth, my hair line did get worst thou but not much. I stopped brushing ever since I started doing manliak and detumescence about 2 weeks ago.

there are of course some other factors, very important is how tight you keep your scalp when you don´t focus on it..try to walk, sit and talk with your head bent slightly backwards and relax your face also like a cool laid back bro

this should help keeping the scalp and neck in a relaxed state during the day..if you massage but keep rigid and stiff the rest of the time it won´t barely work i guess.

did you experience improvement in terms of sensitvity from detumescence?

BelieveInIt wrote:

boogv510 wrote:Honestly Ive been brushing for 2 years now and I don't see any regrowth, my hair line did get worst thou but not much. I stopped brushing ever since I started doing manliak and detumescence about 2 weeks ago.

there are of course some other factors, very important is how tight you keep your scalp when you don´t focus on it..try to walk, sit and talk with your head bent slightly backwards and relax your face also like a cool laid back bro

this should help keeping the scalp and neck in a relaxed state during the day..if you massage but keep rigid and stiff the rest of the time it won´t barely work i guess.

did you experience improvement in terms of sensitvity from detumescence?

I don't get what you mean by sensitivity? I actually done detumescence around my forehead before without realising it. I would often do it every time i feel tightness around my forehead, I would get this sensation around my forehead right after.

boogv510 wrote:

BelieveInIt wrote:

boogv510 wrote:Honestly Ive been brushing for 2 years now and I don't see any regrowth, my hair line did get worst thou but not much. I stopped brushing ever since I started doing manliak and detumescence about 2 weeks ago.

there are of course some other factors, very important is how tight you keep your scalp when you don´t focus on it..try to walk, sit and talk with your head bent slightly backwards and relax your face also like a cool laid back bro

this should help keeping the scalp and neck in a relaxed state during the day..if you massage but keep rigid and stiff the rest of the time it won´t barely work i guess.

did you experience improvement in terms of sensitvity from detumescence?

I don't get what you mean by sensitivity? I actually done detumescence around my forehead before without realising it. I would often do it every time i feel tightness around my forehead, I would get this sensation around my forehead right after.

i mean when you touch the top of your scalp, is it as sensitive as on the sides?

when my scalp was really tight i didn´t feel a thing on there. have you tried not only doing it on the forehead but all over the top?

rofl wrote:
the only reason id believe results from fin and minox, is because there is proof it does work (although i do not recommend ppl use them cos of the obvious reasons)

What kind of proof is there?

JDawg wrote:

Complexx wrote:
Maliniak, poor quality, Fin, IH regimen.... Dude, no diet in the world will help your baldness if you have a tight galea to address. I bet you money you aren't doing the right manuals...

You realize that you're posting on a forum created by someone who  is ALL about internals, right?

I don't understand this post either, are you saying that Maliniak is not good? I thought you were a violet ray fan? Sometimes I feel like you're all over the place with what you're preaching.  Is it EFT? Derma-rolling? Massage? Emu Oil? All of them?

Complexx, I love your passion and your enthusiasm, but with all due respect, you're 21 and claim you went from a NW 1.5 back to a NW 1 in a matter of months. So please forgive me (and anyone else) if I take your assurances that you've found the cure for MPB with a grain of salt.

LOL matter of months? I started this a around may- July & I started EARLY. THE EARLIER YOU START THE EARLIER YOU CAN EXPECT RESULTS. Guys who started as early or even earlier than me experienced regrowth in 3 weeks. I dont claim to know a whole lot about MPB but, you don't seem to know much about hair loss, what manuals do for hair loss, and hair growth cycles, so if i were you i wouldn't try & argue about this because all you're doing is shooting blanks (no offense)

I do Faster EFT to REDUCE STRESS and have a clean mindset. I should also mention tjat sometimes I feel Faster EFT loosens my muscles on my scalp to a certain extent as well. Oh & to address a question you asked me before about some EFT practitioners still having bald heads.... It's all about belief, EFT is not a magic therapy that treats everything at once. If you believe genetics are your fate and you are going to bald no matter what then it will happen. Most practitioners don't even care about their hair loss anymore simply because EFT has trained them not to care for it so much & instead enjoy life. They don't focus on it much anymore.... Actually, my last practitioner, his name was Dave R, had claimed to go bald earlier on during his high school years due to stress and he eventially grew the hair back, then a few years later he found a way to stress himself out again & he ended up loosing it for good. He's like a NW5. When I tried explaining the Maliniak method to him he 1) Didn't care enough about his bald head anymore 2) Thought it was his Fate.

I started out doing the Maliniak method but I'm just now starting the Detumescence therapy & getting it right. I find Detumescence a bit more effective than the Maliniak massage but I still need to perfect it.

I USE EMU & CASTOR OIL because those oil are fantastic to support healthy hair & regrowth. Not to mention castor oil supports pge2 & more and emu is a DHT blocker, anti-fibrotic, replenishes the subcutaneous fat cells, and reduces inflammation very effectively which in turn increases blood flow.

I MIGHT start Dermarolling because it makes lots of sense to me & I know it works for a fact.

I do inversion therapy so blood can rush to my head

Maliniak method includes the violet ray too but w.e I'll touch up on it too,

VIOLET RAY: This thing wakes the follicles up and kick starts growth for sure... Depending how you use it, I believe this can stop hair loss & regrow some hair alone if you don't already have too much of an advanced case.

I am on a decent diet.

JDawg- What I am doing and have BEEN doing here is attacking hair loss with a arsenal of weapons & not just one weapon... Would you just depend on one internal supp for curing your hair loss J dawg?

This forum is NOT just about internals though bro..... It's about natural hair regrowth methods THAT WORK. The most success on this forum that I've seen when it comes to taking care of MPB is coming from manuals and not internals (unless you have some sort of thyroid or diffuse thinning problem unrelated to MPB) BTW the "guy" that is all about internals just posted a dermaroller study... Even he sees the validity in all of this. I love CS but even he admitted that diet alone can't do much for hair loss besides maybe halt it a bit. Aside from hair loss I'd have endless paid consultations with the guy... Guy knows his shit. I actually plan to soon.

Complexx wrote:
emu [...] replenishes the subcutaneous fat cells

Do you have a source for this claim ?
It seems that this subecutaneous layer of fat is key in hair growth, yet I haven't found a single way to restore it.

Manoko wrote:

Complexx wrote:
emu [...] replenishes the subcutaneous fat cells

Do you have a source for this claim ?
It seems that this subecutaneous layer of fat is key in hair growth, yet I haven't found a single way to restore it.

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateDrSearsandEmuOil8-11.html

I'm certain loosening up the scalp and restoring estradiol levels will surely replenish these fat cells too... DREXX is already reporting it & I've seen a study about estrogen promoting subcutaneous fat.