Detumescence Therapy- dedicated volunteers wanted

Been following this thread and I know how much discipline it takes to keep manually massaging every day. What do you guys think about a massage helmet like they sell now? (just google massage helmet) If it was intense enough it theoretically could do the trick making compliance a lot easier.....

Grub wrote:I agree with Sanderson, lets get some clarity on the technique!

Guys - go here: http://www.omicsonline.org/2155-9554/2155-9554-3-138.php#17, scroll down to the 'results and discussion' section, and click on Figure 4. That's really all there is to this :-)

crysanthium wrote:Been following this thread and I know how much discipline it takes to keep manually massaging every day.  What do you guys think about a massage helmet like they sell now? (just google massage helmet)  If it was intense enough it theoretically could do the trick making compliance a lot easier.....

no i´m very sure it won´t work..ive used vibration on my scalp in the last 2 months and regular hand massage but that doesn´t compare to pushing your hard skin together and breaking the stiff tissue...theyd never sell such a device because this would scare people off..

this is NOT your regular massage!


after doing this my second day i already notice a BIG difference in responsiveness of my scalp to touch, the hair stands like i was using some product, and if i feel for the roots it feels hard an thick..

stop worrying about your remaining hair and treat that scalp as rough as you would other parts of your skin.

PEOPLE IM SURE THIS IS IT! glad i have not los all my hair on top before discovering this

Just think it's interesting to note that GPD2000 (or whatever his name was) left this forum a bit over a year ago and he was talking about pinching motions like this as having solved his problems. He had a little rant about how nobody would seem to try it because it seemed to simple and he was tired of people putting him down for something he knew was working. Since then I adopted what is basically the same thing into my routine but not for such lengthy periods and I am at a level of regrowth I didn't dare hope to believe was possible a year ago.

I'm going to increase my usage of this a bit and keep going but I just want to encourage anyone trying this to keep at it. It's interesting how people need an official name for things becfore they will accept it as viable. The pinching and pushing and being rough has been mentioned many times but nobody seemed to care until it got a name.

Very happy it did because it is IMHO a necessary part of the puzzle.

Good Luck all!

Duke every time I hear your story I think about all the people who have had success with these methods and all the flack people have had to go through just to try to pass on good info. I also think duel Black had the same stance on the issue. Maliniak may be right some people will just never believe

Duketronix wrote:Just think it's interesting to note that GPD2000 (or whatever his name was) left this forum a bit over a year ago and he was talking about pinching motions like this as having solved his problems.  He had a little rant about how nobody would seem to try it because it seemed to simple and he was tired of people putting him down for something he knew was working.  Since then I adopted what is basically the same thing into my routine but not for such lengthy periods and I am at a level of regrowth I didn't dare hope to believe was possible a year ago.  

I'm going to increase my usage of this a bit and keep going but I just want to encourage anyone trying this to keep at it.  It's interesting how people need an official name for things becfore they will accept it as viable.  The pinching and pushing and being rough has been mentioned many times but nobody seemed to care until it got a name.  

Very happy it did because it is IMHO a necessary part of the puzzle.

Good Luck all!

i read about some people "pinching" a few weeks ago, tried and failed because my scalp is to tight on top to do pinching as you would normally understand the meaning of the word...

i think if youd say churn your scalp like pastry til its pinchable people would get a clearer impression of what it actually is

BelieveInIt wrote:

Grub wrote:I agree with Sanderson, lets get some clarity on the technique!

look at figures 2 and 3, thats how i do it in very rigid spots (pretty much all over the top of the scalp).

http://www.centre-clauderer.com/en/scalp-massages/frizzy.htm

i found if it has losened up a bit you can try pinching it with 3 fingers of one hand.

i think it doesnt matter exactly how you do it as long you create skinfolds my HARD pinching, these skinfolds should be deep read while you do it...do it in front of a mirror at first and youll see it.

keep in mind your goal is to make your hole galea area flexible in every way, so pinch every little spot in hard areas.

That is as I imagined it actually. Even the first one on that link, you can dig your fingers right in and move it in every direction and it feels great.

The only difficulty is the amount of energy and force you have to use to press and grip the scalp to move it around. My hands and arms are really tired after a few minutes and I need to rest.

Thanks for that link man.

Harry Potter - Its the pinching action with one hand that is quite difficult in some areas in the beginning, you can use the techniques in the link above to really 'fold' these stubborn areas. Thank you for the response.

Grub wrote:

BelieveInIt wrote:

Grub wrote:I agree with Sanderson, lets get some clarity on the technique!

look at figures 2 and 3, thats how i do it in very rigid spots (pretty much all over the top of the scalp).

http://www.centre-clauderer.com/en/scalp-massages/frizzy.htm

i found if it has losened up a bit you can try pinching it with 3 fingers of one hand.

i think it doesnt matter exactly how you do it as long you create skinfolds my HARD pinching, these skinfolds should be deep read while you do it...do it in front of a mirror at first and youll see it.

keep in mind your goal is to make your hole galea area flexible in every way, so pinch every little spot in hard areas.

That is as I imagined it actually. Even the first one on that link, you can dig your fingers right in and move it in every direction and it feels great.

The only difficulty is the amount of energy and force you have to use to press and grip the scalp to move it around. My hands and arms are really tired after a few minutes and I need to rest.

Thanks for that link man.

Harry Potter - Its the pinching action with one hand that is quite difficult in some areas in the beginning, you can use the techniques in the link above to really 'fold' these stubborn areas. Thank you for the response.

Hey Grub, ya it is quite difficult in the beginning with one hand, but give it a week or two and your scalp should be feeling a lot more pliable.

Duke, I believe you were referring to this thread: https://immortalhair.forumotion.com/t7286-overview-of-towel-method-unanswered-questions-tips-farewell, unless there is another one which I didn't know about. I had saved as a bookmark when I was researching Papilla Power / Margo / Maliniak. If it's the same one, I believe he was talking about towelling, but yes the theory is the same, and I think that detumescence is even more powerful.

I am thinking of starting micro-needling once a week, or once a fortnight in conjunction with detumescence. Also, the internal natural minox-alikes that CS was talking about sound very interesting.

BTW, I have emailed the guy who presented the detumescence paper, but I think it might be a bit of a long shot and not too hopeful about hearing back from him. Will let you guys know if he responds.

HAirry P -ya that's his farewell thread I remember talking about the whole pinching thing with him and that became one of my main go tos to get my scalp loose.

Something people may wanna try that I found helpful was either making fists and using my second largest knuckles to grip the head and pinch the hands/knuckles together where the scalp is really tight. I also tried using a wooden comb as I've mentioned. Just oil the scalp and then push the fingertips into place like you were going to pinch but youuse the wooden comb instead of the other hand to bring it together. Hope that makes sense?

You can also kind of pinch and area with that comb method and then roll the skin along the scalp. Some areas it will probably get stuck/not work so well so then switch up technique on that area.

Duketronix wrote:HAirry P -ya that's his farewell thread I remember talking about the whole pinching thing with him and that became one of my main go tos to get my scalp loose.

Something people may wanna try that I found helpful was either making fists and using my second largest knuckles to grip the head and pinch the hands/knuckles together where the scalp is really tight.  I also tried using a wooden comb as I've mentioned.  Just oil the scalp and then push the fingertips into place like you were going to pinch but youuse the wooden comb instead of the other hand to bring it together.  Hope that makes sense?

You can also kind of pinch and area with that comb method and then roll the skin along the scalp.  Some areas it will probably get stuck/not work so well so then switch up technique on that area.

OK, interesting - yup Meatwad was also doing this, except he didn't call it detumescence, and he also was reporting good results.

Are you guys still doing malinak style massages on the sides of the head?

I feel there is no need after getting the detumescence technique correct. I was doing 10 mins malinak, 10 mins detumscence (halfheartedly) but now have changed to straight detumescence for 20 mins morning and night.

Hey everyone,

I am new to this forum and registered for this very thread, which has peeked my attention.
I am having trouble understanding what to do really, is it simply pinching the scalp during 20 minutes two times a day ?

But what about parts of my scalp where the skin is too tight and I can't pinch it, how can I work on those areas ?

Manoko wrote:Hey everyone,

I am new to this forum and registered for this very thread, which has peeked my attention.
I am having trouble understanding what to do really, is it simply pinching the scalp during 20 minutes two times a day ?

But what about parts of my scalp where the skin is too tight and I can't pinch it, how can I work on those areas ?

use both hands and squeeze the skin between your fingers so that it folds up..after a while the whole scalp gets looser...i´m working on it for 3 days now..crazy feeling in my scalp, totally bruised and some red spots but at the same time feels more alive than i can remember.

somebody else getting "abuse marks"?

This is just pressing very firmly, stretching, folding and working the skin. It leaves your hair greasy, especially at first. It's feels bruised for the first few days but even with continued daily action, the bruised feeling will be gone within a week.

drex1999 wrote:This is just pressing very firmly, stretching, folding and working the skin. It leaves your hair greasy, especially at first. It's feels bruised for the first few days but even with continued daily action, the bruised feeling will be gone within a week.

its amaziing how fast the scalp is losened up, ive worked on it for 3 days literally hours and it seems like when the bruise is gone the skin already is thinner and i can feel the skullbone closer beneath it. also it feels like areas on my temples which i previously tought was bone, seems now to become elastic and disappear.

Exactly. Parts of the scalp that seem to be misshapen skull bone can be massaged into putty with a few hours of hard pressing/rubbing. I had a ridge running along the centre of my scalp to the crown that was rock hard and pointed, a few days of this has significantly reduced its size and as such the strain it puts on the scalp skin. Very interesting, wonder if it grows hair..

Just wanted to say thanks to those guys that are spending so much time massaging their scalp everyday. I for one am anxiously following this thread in hopes that this technique will work. If any of you post credible pictures of regrowth, I will be the first to jump on the massage bandwagon.

There is only one way to know if this technique is for real and that is to try it and to STICK WITH IT (which is the hard part!) So let me say THANK YOU for your dedication as we will all benefit from your sacrifice (course if your hair grows in, you will be the first to benefit! Lol)

BelieveInIt wrote:

somebody else getting "abuse marks"?

Yeah I did to begin with, red, almost like a bad hicky

Palcom wrote:

BelieveInIt wrote:

somebody else getting "abuse marks"?

Yeah I did to begin with, red, almost like a bad hicky

one day after bruises are almost gone..
MUCH better laxity already, vivid feeling, seems to sweat easier on the head...very good signs IMO


do you experience regrowth? for how long have you been doing this?

Thanks for your replies by the way.

Got a question, it's too early for regrowth but maybe you can attest on the shedding. Have you noticed a change in the number of fallen hair ?

Manoko wrote:Thanks for your replies by the way.

Got a question, it's too early for regrowth but maybe you can attest on the shedding. Have you noticed a change in the number of fallen hair ?

the thing is, doing this method there is no other way than losing hair first..the rough pinching and pushing just rips a lot out..

however i noticed that even regular normal massage reduces shedding and i´m 100% sure that in the long run detumescence will fix several if not all scalp problems.

i didn´t notice till i started manual how out of touch i was with my scalp, no wonder this area didn´t bloom

BelieveInIt wrote:

Manoko wrote:Thanks for your replies by the way.

Got a question, it's too early for regrowth but maybe you can attest on the shedding. Have you noticed a change in the number of fallen hair ?

the thing is, doing this method there is no other way than losing hair first..the rough pinching and pushing just rips a lot out..

however i noticed that even regular normal massage reduces shedding and i´m 100% sure that in the long run detumescence will fix several if not all scalp problems.

i didn´t notice till i started manual how out of touch i was with my scalp, no wonder this area didn´t bloom

Yes, but people who started the method when this thread was launching could probably now have a pretty accurate opinion on its efficiency.
That is why I said it is most likely too early to see amazing regrowth, but before this it should have changed the way their existing hair are, hence the possible slow in shedding.

Can somebody who has done this for at least a month talk about it please ?

Read the thread MAnoko, drex already posted about that and even included a pic.

Totally a pet peeve around here (or at least of mine, and on most forums really) to add to a threads length with a question that's already been answered, please read thouroughly

Duketronix wrote:Read the thread MAnoko, drex already posted about that and even included a pic.

Totally a pet peeve around here (or at least of mine, and on most forums really) to add to a threads length with a question that's already been answered, please read thouroughly

So if I understand what you say correctly, it's forbidden to ask for reports on how this is progressing for people, maybe other than drex1999 ?
And, as you very well said he posted only 1 photo, hardly enough to have a comparison and assess the evolution of his hairloss if you ask me.

I have read the thread don't you worry about that, it's just that a lot of people who started from some time didn't report back recently.

Hey guys, so Ive been doing this, for as much time as I can spare (around 20-30 min), each day. E

Everyone keeps talking about a bruised feeling, but I usually end up with like an indian sunburn kind of feeling. I pretty much just use both hands to pinch my scalp for 20 minutes straight. Then a little bit of circle massaging with fingers planted.

Anyone else get this indian sunburn style feeling?