Why you may not improve while on probiotics...and what to do

You make a good point Littlefighter. What strain would you suggest starting off for someone that's never used any. Also, how would I acquire it?

Little Fighter,

Where can one get L. Paracasei ST11? Whats the difference between L. Paracasei ST11 and Betaine HCL? Which one is better for the digestion system/combating dandruff?

If one is interested in repairing his gut as your recommended where is a good place to begin? I have been taking Betaine HCL after meals and have noticed a little difference.

Little Fighter, Nestle removed the Lactobacillus Protectus name off the Nido +1 label. They still have prebiotics on the label but I don't know if Nido still contains L.P.

I like to make kefir because it's less work, I don't have to boil the raw milk, all I need are the kefir grains.

Can one theoretically add any of these super strains

human super strains like Lactobacillus GG, L. Reuteri, L., L. PLantarum 299V, etc, which are of human origin and do colonize the gut.

to a kefir grain culture?

I would if the kefir grains would take-in new strains and make them a part of the culture or are kefir grains exclusive to a few set strains and basically anything else introduced dies off? anyone with an answer?

LittleFighter -

How do you feel while on that probiotic? Are your bowel movements ok? smell bad? do you have acne? etc etc

Let's talk about poop!

is this correct? we are aiming for:

How do you feel -> lots of energy no inflammation or pains
bowel movements -> regular and easy
smell bad -> no smell or some smell but not a bad smell (but what is a bad smell?)
have acne -> no acne "anywhere" on the body

what about gas? good/bad?
what about bloating? good/bad?
what about the texture of human waste, thickness, firmness, color?

All feedback is welcome

LittleFighter, What strain would you suggest starting off for someone that's never used any and how would I acquire it?

So, are you saying this product may not be as helpful to me as I thought it would? ._.

http://www.viridian-nutrition.com/productdetails.asp?ProdID=465


I also have this:

http://www.solgar.co.uk/product/digestive-enzymes-100-tablets-E1000.html



Are they ok to improve my digestion? Or have I gone wrong somewhere ._. lol

LittleFighter, you said at the start of the thread.

"I started already making yogurt with Yaklut (L. casei Shirota, another very beneficial strain good for acidosis) with sucess!"

To do this, do I just follow a guide, such as,
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/beginners_guide/yoghurt/yog_pict_guide.htm

but add yakult as the starter?

Do you mean yakult? http://www.yakult.co.uk/

Is kefir better than probiotics?

LF, regarding Bifidobacterium infantis 35624, it says on that "how to make yogurt site" that has been linked on this thread to avoid ALL bifido strains as they can overpopulate and mutate in the gut. What's your take on this? I'm holding off on buying Align for now because of this reason and I can't find the right kind of Nestle NIDO around anywhere. Would you be willing to send me a little bit of yours?

Anyone have any idea how long it takes for probiotics to start working? I just purchased accuflora today and took the first pill this morning. When should I expect a noticeable difference? My stomach has not been in good shape for years.

Little fighter, can you take kefir and yoghurts at the same time? What strains have you found to be beneficial to brain fog? Have you found any beneficial to fatigue?

Are homemade kefir and yoghuts not considered dairy that damages hair?

Don't know where to post but figured someone might be interested

When biofilm exists in the gut, it also disturbs digestion and prevents normal flora (like acidophilus) from thriving. If you have persistent dysbiosis, mysterious gut pain, or a borrelia infection that simply isn't responding to treatments, consider the possibility that biofilm may be impeding your progress.


Combining enzymes with heavy metal chelators (since the biofilm is comprised in part, of metals), and taking these on an empty stomach, is thought to be one potentially effective strategy for "punching holes" in the biofilm and thereby breaking down the bugs' protective polysaccharide blankies.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1578058#i

FWIW, Streptococcus mitis & Serratia_marcescens are two biofilm creating pathogens associated with MPB IMO/IME.

jdp701 wrote:Don't know where to post but figured someone might be interested

When biofilm exists in the gut, it also disturbs digestion and prevents normal flora (like acidophilus) from thriving. If you have persistent dysbiosis, mysterious gut pain, or a borrelia infection that simply isn't responding to treatments, consider the possibility that biofilm may be impeding your progress.


Combining enzymes with heavy metal chelators (since the biofilm is comprised in part, of metals), and taking these on an empty stomach, is thought to be one potentially effective strategy for "punching holes" in the biofilm and thereby breaking down the bugs' protective polysaccharide blankies.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1578058#i

FWIW, Streptococcus mitis & Serratia_marcescens are two biofilm creating pathogens associated with MPB IMO/IME.

Fantastic post.

tooyoung wrote:Little fighter, can you take kefir and yoghurts at the same time? What strains have you found to be beneficial to brain fog? Have you found any beneficial to fatigue?

Are homemade kefir and yoghuts not considered dairy that damages hair?

tooyoung,

No problem taking both at the same time, but I would say at different times of the day for better results.

Home made Kefir and yogurt are just fine.


Lactobacillus GG (Culturelle) and Sacharomyces Boulardii do help with brain fog, fatigue, depression and more. These are antiinflammatory and safe. I do well with these, and seems so with people with gut issues. Other probiotics don't work for me at this point. If I take the "wrong" probiotic, I get gas, feel tired, heavy eyes, brain fog, etc.. I have various theories for that.


If you want to use only one I would say go for the Lactobacillus GG (Culturelle). I highly recommend you to take that probiotic with Apple Fiber or Apple Pectin Powder (as prebiotics).

What I do is mix Larch Arabinogalactan powder (another prebiotic) with at least one tablespoon of apple fiber (which contains certain amount of apple pectin) with water and swallow with a capsule of Cutlurelle. This will give you "beautiful" stools, improved elimination and detox. Do this once or twice a day.

Whatever makes your stools less stinky, formed, solid... in one word "beautiful" (lol?) stick with it!

My advice to the other guy with a stomach out of shape, is to follow that simple regimen I recommend. If you have tried kefir and still feeling tired or having gas and other issues drop it for now, and TRY what I'm saying here.

If you still have problems or other questions just let me know.

Sheddinghelp wrote:Anyone have any idea how long it takes for probiotics to start working? I just purchased accuflora today and took the first pill this morning. When should I expect a noticeable difference? My stomach has not been in good shape for years.

Sheddinghelp,

IMHO/experience, depending in your condition, some probiotics formulas might make you feel like crap. I believe you should see a difference anywhere from day 1 to a week. Initially the probiotic might give you gas, if this doesn't improve after a few days then I'd advice you to switch to the regimen I recommend in my previous post.

Probiotics might be only a part of the solution, if you have reflux or food sitting for too long in your stomach, then I would recommend you to also add Betaine HCL to your regimen, that will make a huge difference.

Hey Littlefighter,

thanks for the reply. I looked on iherb for culturelle and Sacharomyces Boulardii, at the moment they would be too expensive for me. Would it be possible to put them in a homemade yoghurt and just keep reusing them, or will the balances eventually change?

jdp701 wrote:Don't know where to post but figured someone might be interested

When biofilm exists in the gut, it also disturbs digestion and prevents normal flora (like acidophilus) from thriving. If you have persistent dysbiosis, mysterious gut pain, or a borrelia infection that simply isn't responding to treatments, consider the possibility that biofilm may be impeding your progress.


Combining enzymes with heavy metal chelators (since the biofilm is comprised in part, of metals), and taking these on an empty stomach, is thought to be one potentially effective strategy for "punching holes" in the biofilm and thereby breaking down the bugs' protective polysaccharide blankies.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1578058#i

FWIW, Streptococcus mitis & Serratia_marcescens are two biofilm creating pathogens associated with MPB IMO/IME.

Some time ago I posted information about biofilms and a protocol to treat them. I also posted a few articles of Dr. Art Ayers regarding Bio Films and disease. Biofilms might be the reason why people never recover from some problems.

This is a very important topic, IMHO, that we should really talk about.

I'm looking for simple, inexpensive, painless solutions to combat them... I have some info, I think I will start a new thread and we can start providing info.

Didn't know that about those bacterial strains

LittleFighter wrote:

jdp701 wrote:Don't know where to post but figured someone might be interested

When biofilm exists in the gut, it also disturbs digestion and prevents normal flora (like acidophilus) from thriving. If you have persistent dysbiosis, mysterious gut pain, or a borrelia infection that simply isn't responding to treatments, consider the possibility that biofilm may be impeding your progress.


Combining enzymes with heavy metal chelators (since the biofilm is comprised in part, of metals), and taking these on an empty stomach, is thought to be one potentially effective strategy for "punching holes" in the biofilm and thereby breaking down the bugs' protective polysaccharide blankies.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1578058#i

FWIW, Streptococcus mitis & Serratia_marcescens are two biofilm creating pathogens associated with MPB IMO/IME.

Some time ago I posted information about biofilms and a protocol to treat them. I also posted a few articles of Dr. Art Ayers regarding Bio Films and disease. Biofilms might be the reason why people never recover from some problems.

This is a very important topic, IMHO, that we should really talk about.

I'm looking for simple, inexpensive, painless solutions to combat them... I have some info, I think I will start a new thread and we can start providing info.

Didn't know that about those bacterial strains

Forgot to mention, there are BENEFICIAL biofilms, like those formed by L. Reuteri... those are anti-inflammatory and provide various benefits...

Little Fighter,

Which one do you prefer between LGG, ST11 and Bifandis 35624?

My LGG yogourt works fine, I will try the other one.

I would love to hear some tips about eradicating bad biofilm from you...

LittleFighter,

Great info in this thread and I'm going to be implementing some of it soon. I do have a question about preformed vitamin A. Do you have a preferred source for this? I spoke briefly with CS and he suggested cod liver oil but also mentioned possible difficulty in digesting it.

Lactobacillus GG (Culturelle) and Sacharomyces Boulardii

Doing both of these right now. Going in for the kill on mycoplasma. Going to add boron and oregano.

LF, I did LGG, Align, and ST11 yogourt. Can you confirm ST11 is more acidic and has some air pockets inside?

sdguy wrote:LittleFighter,

Great info in this thread and I'm going to be implementing some of it soon. I do have a question about preformed vitamin A. Do you have a preferred source for this? I spoke briefly with CS and he suggested cod liver oil but also mentioned possible difficulty in digesting it.

sdguy,

From what I've researched, oil based A is safer than dry forms. This is the best supplement I've found so far:

http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-Ultra-A-D-3-25-000-1-000-IU-100-Softgels/10162?at=0

That's why I'm currently taking, plus extra D3. Notice the preformed form is only at 10,000 IU, the other 15,000 units come from carotene. You'll have no problems with this supplement. I have experienced problems with cod liver oil in the past but when I added betaine hcl they virtually disappeared. Anyways, taking this little softgel is much more practical and it doesn't bother your stomach at all.

Just take this and other oil supplements away from fiber.

fredounet wrote:LF, I did LGG, Align, and ST11 yogourt. Can you confirm ST11 is more acidic and has some air pockets inside?

fredounet

Yes! I found ST11 to be more acidic, seems to be a more prolific producer of lactic acid and other organic acids AND I Did see like small bubbles/pockets in it. I believe this is normal.

You can tell that a batch of yogurt is bad (a yeast or another bacteria took over)when:

1. It doesn't smell like yogurt... it smells funny, yeasty, bad. It's easy to find out by smelling.
2. It tastes bad
3. There a very large amount of liquid separation. Some liquid is normal, and as the yogurt ages in the fridge you will keep seeing more liquid being generated.


What I've learned to ensure that your yogurt making efforts are always productive:

1. Always use enough starter (from a previous batch) to inoculate a new batch
2. Leave very very little space between the milk and the cover of the container you are using, so very little air stays there. I've found this to be important, if there too much space the yogurt will take longer to form or it might not form at all and yeast might take over
3. Subsequent batches require less time to form (batches that used yogurt as a starter as opposed to capsules), this makes sense.

I really really have to make at least one post regarding yogurt making. Seems a few people are really interested in it so I guess it is worth to share my experience. I WILL.

You can add xylitol to make it taste sweet, that will make it tasty (that's precisely what I do).