Malocclusion and Hair Loss: An Intimate Relationship

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Atlas wrote:For whatever reason I didn't recognize this thread. I will check the link you posted, CS. Very interesting.

I also like the ideas of Mike Mew and his dad.

https://orthodontichealth.co.uk/

He has also a lot of youtube videos.

As a Chiropractor I see a lot of patients with TMJ issues etc.. Uusually I treat the whole body (my focus is to correct the improve the biomechanics of the whole skeletal system, especially feet, pelvis, hips, occiput/atlas). TMJ issues are tightly connected to the cervical spine, cervical spine is tightly connected to the rest of the body. What I always neglected is the position of the tongue, degenerated M. masseter (we don't have to chew anymore), too much mouthbreathing etc..

Very interesting topic for sure!

I looked into Mike Mew about 10 years ago and with a lot of Q & A: I started to get the impression that Mew's techniques do not seem to translate to hair growth. For that reason I've been recommending: https://www.starecta.com/
which is a device called a Rectifier, a special tool that allows you to support the skull, stretch the dorsal spine and balance the body in a natural way.

Most people when they receive this type of info, it just goes in one ear and through out the other. In my opinion, it makes the most sense on the etiology of AGA/MPB.

Over 25 years ago I read the seminal work by Weston A. Price, "Nutrition and
Physical Degeneration, A Comparison of Primitive and Modern Diets and Their Effects"

https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html



At the bottom of this paragraph below the photo, it reads: "Little baldness was seen even in the very old."

These people had virtually perfect teeth, zero braces (at least until their food was processed)

Someone asked about Invisalign - That's what exacerbates the problem.

In today's world 95% have malocclusion. To put it a better way, it's so common to be sick and in flawed structure because of our flawed medical and dental models and it escapes people what real health looks like.

I see.
The thing is, I had a rare teeth issue when I was 11-12. Two of my baby teeth didn't fall(two of the lower front incisors) so I went to the dentist. He took an xray and told me that there were no adult teeth coming. The baby teeth would eventually fall but nothing would replace them. He suggested to pull those baby teeth in advance, and use braces to move all the lower teeth to close the forming gap, and also move the upper teeth(I had a gap between two upper incisors which allowed this) to somewhat maintain their alignment. My teeth look alright now and they seem aligned, but when I close my mouth and let the molars touch, my upper incisors overlap the lower ones. So I'm not sure what I can do in my case except for find a way to better align the molars so when I close my mouth upper and lower incisors are perfectly leveled.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Atlas wrote:For whatever reason I didn't recognize this thread. I will check the link you posted, CS. Very interesting.

I also like the ideas of Mike Mew and his dad.

https://orthodontichealth.co.uk/

He has also a lot of youtube videos.

As a Chiropractor I see a lot of patients with TMJ issues etc.. Uusually I treat the whole body (my focus is to correct the improve the biomechanics of the whole skeletal system, especially feet, pelvis, hips, occiput/atlas). TMJ issues are tightly connected to the cervical spine, cervical spine is tightly connected to the rest of the body. What I always neglected is the position of the tongue, degenerated M. masseter (we don't have to chew anymore), too much mouthbreathing etc..

Very interesting topic for sure!

I looked into Mike Mew about 10 years ago and with a lot of Q & A: I started to get the impression that Mew's techniques do not seem to translate to hair growth. For that reason I've been recommending: https://www.starecta.com/
which is a device called a Rectifier, a special tool that allows you to support the skull, stretch the dorsal spine and balance the body in a natural way.

Most people when they receive this type of info, it just goes in one ear and through out the other. In my opinion, it makes the most sense on the etiology of AGA/MPB.

Over 25 years ago I read the seminal work by Weston A. Price, "Nutrition and
Physical Degeneration, A Comparison of Primitive and Modern Diets and Their Effects"

https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks02/0200251h.html



At the bottom of this paragraph below the photo, it reads: "Little baldness was seen even in the very old."

These people had virtually perfect teeth, zero braces (at least until their food was processed)

Someone asked about Invisalign - That's what exacerbates the problem.

In today's world 95% have malocclusion. To put it a better way, it's so common to be sick and in flawed structure because of our flawed medical and dental models and it escapes people what real health looks like.

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Great infos, CS!!! I really appreciate your help. I am aware of Westen A. Price but I always wondered: What if the damage has already been done (bad nutrition of the pregnant woman, bad nutrition as a child etc.).

I like the idea of the rectifier, have you used it yourself? I have read that you have to use it 24 hours a day (https://tooth-for-a-tooth.com/treatment/starecta_mewing).

I still like mewing because it keeps your face from "melting away" if you know what I mean. Mike Mew also mentioned that it should increase your nasal passages over time so nose breathing gets easier.

Regarding nose breathing I also think Buteyko method is the way to go.

Atlas wrote:
Regarding nose breathing I also think Buteyko method is the way to go.

What's that? Oddly enough google doesn't give any answers? Is it behind a pay wall?

Nuada wrote:

Atlas wrote:
Regarding nose breathing I also think Buteyko method is the way to go.

What's that? Oddly enough google doesn't give any answers? Is it behind a pay wall?

G00gle is inadvisable. Duckduckgo will give you better answers, but they are starting to censor, but
only certain things so far.  I got a Youtube video banned just for using Cyrillic letters.  

There's also https://metager.org/

https://buteykoclinic.com/breathing-exercises/

Malocclusion and hair loss:

https://youtu.be/2VF2ARMU-_4

One of his much earlier videos published in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbQXnfoRBM&t=65s

CausticSymmetry wrote:One of his much earlier videos published in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbQXnfoRBM&t=65s

This is fascinating and depressing at the same time. It seems like one of the better explained causes for balding, which is good. But he never mentions what the corrective treatment options are, and also seems to imply that this can only be corrected at a younger age.

Nuada wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:One of his much earlier videos published in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbQXnfoRBM&t=65s

This is fascinating and depressing at the same time. It seems like one of the better explained causes for balding, which is good. But he never mentions what the corrective treatment options are, and also seems to imply that this can only be corrected at a younger age.

Actually he does mention them. Watch at the 10 minute mark.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Nuada wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:One of his much earlier videos published in 2014

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfbQXnfoRBM&t=65s

This is fascinating and depressing at the same time. It seems like one of the better explained causes for balding, which is good. But he never mentions what the corrective treatment options are, and also seems to imply that this can only be corrected at a younger age.

Actually he does mention them. Watch at the 10 minute mark.

Interesting, I watched it twice but I don't hear anything regarding a specific treatment. He talks about getting an x-ray, finding a dentist to get it fixed and then get another x-ray around the age of 16-18 to confirm that the class 2 is fixed. No idea how the class 2 is fixed though. Is it braces, or something else, or how long it lasts etc.

Let's search for options.

https://www.cloudortho.com/courses/nonsurg-correct-classii-adults/

The verbiage or terminology to look for is for adults, correcting skeletal class II

Normally a Bionator appliance is used for growing children, so that option is not applicable.

Eur J Orthod . 2020 Apr 1;42(2):163-173. doi: 10.1093/ejo/cjz089.
Mandibular propulsion appliance for adults with Class II malocclusion: a systematic review and meta-analysis

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31786599/

https://burkeredfordorthodontists.com/herbst-appliance/

https://www.dynaflex.com/orthodontic-laboratory/fixed-appliances/herbst-appliance/

Great interview with Mike Mew:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYpPu-NrYSI

Atlas wrote:Great interview with Mike Mew:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYpPu-NrYSI

Mike Mew's theory on the food, probably better described in this lecture here:
It's the grains (not enough meat)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqx6jGs-1bU

Thanks, CS. Will check this out.

Skeletal malocclusion cannot be fixed unless one resorts to a corrective jaw surgery - but even with a jaw surgery (that is extremely invasive and likely leaves you damaged here or there), there is a high relapse rate among patients. It's the dental misalignment that's suitable for the therapy with braces and/or appliances. Appliances at a very young age might help - to a certain degree - hinder the expression of the skeletal pattern/dentofacial deformity but they will never correct it fully, if it's what one is supposed to grow into.

What Mike Mew and the likes demonstrate is actually a theory that has never been proven to work. He has never provided any evidence the correction of the jaw relationship he takes a responsibility for is actually a result of his own efforts rather than a result of the regular growth dictated primarily by the genes. In this regard, he is the kind of a snake oil salesman who profits from the advent of social sites and the social pressure-driven interests in self-improving.

There are children who exhibit a profound asymmetry between jaw sizes right after the birth or early in their childhood. There are children who exhibit a relatively normal growth when they are young. Oftentimes, this changes without any intervention - sometimes drastically - when one enters the adulthood. Dr. Mew's explanation is: he/she went from a normal facial growth into a disrupted growth because he/she had not followed a proper tongue posture. He/she improved because he/she had followed a proper tongue posture. So he sells the idea he will assist you to reach your maximum. Of course, he charges $$$ for what's considered a laughable or highly questionable at best type of intervention.

As it's common among all the professionals regardless of whether they are mainstream or alternative ones, he will only publish or talk about "notable cases", while completely dismissing the cases that went bad or weren't suitable to fit his narrative.

If there is a thing such as higher prevalence of this or that within the modern vs primitive societies, I belive it's much more reasonable to focus on the impact of environmental toxicity or poisoning through the means of vaccines etc.

There's a better device than a "Mew" one.

https://www.starecta.com/

I saw early Mew lectures and yes, his hair has declined since.

That said, eating a "species appropriate diet" is one way to reduce hair loss and/or improve oral hygiene.

CS, have you used the starecta device yourself? I am testing it at the moment, optimally I will wear it at night (due to my job I cannot use during the day).

Atlas wrote:CS, have you used the starecta device yourself? I am testing it at the moment, optimally I will wear it at night (due to my job I cannot use during the day).

No, my teeth were never that bad, because I tricked the orthodontist into thinking my teeth were straight.

I know of people who have used it to straighten their posture and improve breathing and other aspects.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Respectfully, based on the history of your posts - you resolved your hair loss using supplementation and general overall health/wellness practices.  Does this mean you're eventually going to lose it again based on the inevitable failure of the STA as you get older?  

I've always thought that more out of the box thinking was required to solve the hair loss riddle, but I'm still not completely sold on this one.  Let's also take into account examples like the well known story of the 78 year old man who regrew a juvenile hair line after an accident that burned his scalp.  

I also noticed the practitioner in the video quickly casts aspersions to any other methods that have worked for people to just "raising histamine".   Oh really?  That's all?  You and I both know that's far too simplistic to be a reasonable answer. Where are the examples of skeletal class 2 corrections that regrew hair? Surely there'd be some by now - specifically from men since that's not something that would go unnoticed.

JtheDreamer wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Respectfully, based on the history of your posts - you resolved your hair loss using supplementation and general overall health/wellness practices.  Does this mean you're eventually going to lose it again based on the inevitable failure of the STA as you get older?  

I've always thought that more out of the box thinking was required to solve the hair loss riddle, but I'm still not completely sold on this one.  Let's also take into account examples like the well known story of the 78 year old man who regrew a juvenile hair line after an accident that burned his scalp.  

I also noticed the practitioner in the video quickly casts aspersions to any other methods that have worked for people to just "raising histamine".   Oh really?  That's all?  You and I both know that's far too simplistic to be a reasonable answer.   Where are the examples of skeletal class 2 corrections that regrew hair?  Surely there'd be some by now - specifically from men since that's not something that would go unnoticed.

Yes, naturally that opinion that the STA is the only reason for hair loss is not accurate.

New Treatment for Seborrheic Alopecia: The Ligature of the Arteries of the Scalp (there are about 4 papers from 1960's through 1970's on this)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2536995/pdf/jnma00008-0023.pdf

In this context, the blood supply of two arteries near the face and scalp area if closed off by ligature. By this action, hair loss was mitigated by 76%.

17% observed hair growth in areas that were previously bald. The two arteries that were tied off were the temporal superficial artery and the posterior auricular artery.

I've been researching hair loss for 30 years now, so I can say confidently, there's more do it than the architecture of the jaw.

From Dr Google....

" Can TMJ affect carotid artery?

The TMJ directly affects this blood flow especially when you consider how close it is to the carotid artery. TMJ compression will alter the blood flow of the jaws, face, eyes, lips, ears, skull, and even inside of the brain. The nerves also get caught up in the middle of this dysfunction. "

You'd think that this type restricted blood flow should have noticeably more symptoms than just gradual hair loss considering how many other areas that receives this blood flow. And why does hair loss mostly start in the back or the crown area of the head? That area is the farthest away from the jaw compared to our frontal and temple areas. They should be starving for blood first.

shaftless wrote:From Dr Google....

" Can TMJ affect carotid artery?

The TMJ directly affects this blood flow especially when you consider how close it is to the carotid artery. TMJ compression will alter the blood flow of the jaws, face, eyes, lips, ears, skull, and even inside of the brain. The nerves also get caught up in the middle of this dysfunction. "

You'd think that this type restricted blood flow should have noticeably more symptoms than just gradual hair loss considering how many other areas that receives this blood flow. And why does hair loss mostly start in the back or the crown area of the head? That area is the farthest away from the jaw compared to our frontal and temple areas. They should be starving for blood first.

Like all the arteries of the skin, those of the scalp are terminal. When they are ligated, the arterial pulsations
disappear and Doppler measurements are stopped. Consequently, how does the blood arrive in the ligated area?

The blood of the neighboring regions penetrates the adjacent capillaries in order to establish a non-pulsed circulation in the ligated area. The capillary blood arrives in the ligated area at a speed of 0.5 mm per second, whereas, the arterial blood in the superficial artery flows at the speed of 10 cm per second.

Theoretically, it may be said that by replacing the arterial circulation at the level of the scalp, the speed of the
blood is reduced 200 times. Therefore, the circulating androgens from the bordering capillaries will arrive in the
ligated area about 200 times slower than normal. At the same time, the P02 (Partial Pressure of Oygen) is reduced and the relative hypoxia established consequently inhibits the enzymatic system in the target cells.

Partial pressure of oxygen, which reflects the amount of oxygen gas dissolved in the blood.

This might be paradoxical, but research decades later supports that hypoxia is positive for hair growth.

Primarily, the inflammatory response (cytokines) directly affect those areas by way of the superficial temporal artery.

Essentially what this procedure does is reduce the local negative effects of hair that are obtained from lifestyle factors (such as diet, etc.).

So how is a dentist suppose to correct this issue? Like a previous post said he doesnt provide that answer.

I had a whole lot of ortho work as a kid. Had the jaw expander and everything.

bh1546 wrote:So how is a dentist suppose to correct this issue? Like a previous post said he doesn't provide that answer.

I had a whole lot of ortho work as a kid. Had the jaw expander and everything.

I found his answers, however they are not definitive and probably controversial.

Medical professionals apply everything through specific types of lenses.

Has 3 suggestive steps meeting with the following: Being that this is a natural forum, I'll make some comments on his recommendations.

1. Mewing Style Dentist – that does orthodontics, not traditional orthodontics.

There's definitely controversy here. I've been observing the results from people who have "Mewed" and Mike Mew himself has been balding (worse) since he first starting discussing his techniques. However, to be fair, it's not his objective to cure balding, and if there is an occlusion of the condyle or the S.T.A., then it's not going to make much difference.

An example of a "Mew Dentist" website: https://www.rejuvdentist.com/cosmetic-dentistry/mewing/

2. Dermatologist That Treats Balding with these poisons, Minoxidil, Finasteride (no comment needed here, 4-get-it!)

3. Neuro Surgeons to Place Stints in the left and right S.T.A.

Why the dermatologist, because if your hair follicles are still alive the histamine will allow more blood to flow through the constricted artery and you will see in real time whether your hair will grow back or not.  If it grows back the orthodontics and the stint procedure will be worth it, because the histamine is only temporary the side effects will be temporary if any.

Neurosurgeon. Because the S.T.A. will not always bounce back.  It has been occluded by the condyle and the base of the skull, bone on bone.  The S.T.A. is superficial it’s not extremely invasive.

There seems to be a misunderstanding when it comes to jaw surgery.  Jaw surgery only moves the front half of the mandible and leave the condyle dislocated occluding on the S.T.A.  Traditional orthodontic does not address translating the mandible correctly, they almost always incorporate retraction.