Observation maybe on MPB genetics

I wish I could post a poll but I'm a pretty open guy and I ask friends of mine who show early signs of baldness and those who have very thick manes.

But I see a lot of hypothesizes come and go and this forum by far has some of the smartest open minded people. I have been intrigued by the dopamine, ejaculation, how fin works best on those whose sex drive it dials down.

But I notice the younger balding guys experience a lot of hyper arousal, pre mature ejaculatiok problems. Whatever exacerbates that it seems a strong correlation between the maybe 20 people I have asked in the last few months. The guys whose hair is thick still love sex. But don't masturbate a lot and can last appx 15-20 mins during sex where as the opposite is true of the early MPB group.

I also recognize vertex, frontal, and diffuse may have different MO's but just curious on thoughts. The dopamine does tie in possibly downstream in that maybe receptor down regulation or low activity and these people being humans may excessively seek out porn or other dopamine boosting things ( drugs, over eating, edging ) and that low baseline dopamine may lead to behaviors that then lead hyper sexual arousal). The last part may be a bit off but I found it too convenient that my balding friends do jerk off a lot and have a very tough time with lasting during sex.

Could things that modulate dopamine firing ( quitting smoking, testing will power, abstaining from addictive things) help regulate sexual satiety frequency and time.

Any input would be sweet to hear.

Im an 'early balder', started losing at hairline and crown area. Everything you described about people who go bald early was true for me. Im constantly horny, I used to jack off 4-6 times a day and look at porn for an hour a day jerking off the whole time. I also have problems with premature ejaculation. A year ago however my hair began growing back, the biggest lifestyle change I had made was to cut back on masturbation to just once a week...

My case is the opposite as far as ejaculation goes. I do have sort of an addictive hyper-sexual thing when it comes to my libido. But I usually have delayed ejaculation. It can take from 45 min to an hour, and sometimes I can't get there. Odd thing.

But I believe there is an autoimmune component to pattern baldness.

I think one thing that connects this to the various patterns of anxiety/depression/borderline personality thing a lot of us MPB guys deal with
is fundamentally an imbalance in our own endorphins.

We are low in endogenous endorphins. These normally keep the immune system calmed down and also keep us mentally at ease.

Of every anti-inflammatory thing that's ever been discussed here, cannabis has been the most potent medicine I've ever found. Ever. It is strongly antiinflammatory if you get the higher CBD strains. Our own cannabinoid system can modulate the immune system. Its not the be all end all but its a point to do more research on.

It is also why I believe many of us are more addiction prone. It also ties in different aspects of diet, particularly blood sugar.

I think that an abundant amount of sex/ejaculation/masturbation will ruin the conditions of the scalp. Part of this is an obvious increase of dht but I'm sure there's dozens of other factors. Premature ejaculation is an interesting obversation but I don't necessarily agree because prolonged sex increases said hormones which are also harmful to the scalp.

Male porn stars are the best example. Their lifestyles are unhealthy. Filled with viagra popping, prolonged endurance, probably very low zinc levels among other issues. And most of those guys are completely bald

Here's an observation I've noticed: most guys who have high sex drives also have noticeable mpb. The guys I've known who don't have much of a sex drive have full heads of hair. Coincidence?

Everything in moderation, even sex! The mainstream claim that ejaculating once a day is "healthy" is bull.

To the second poster. I have always always felt my best and finally normal when I first jumped into opioid usage. I have since stopped and have been on super low dose suboxone / bupenorphine and plan on it for the rest of my life. I am on 1mg / day. And plan to eventually lower to even .5mg. It's a super long lasting Mu & Kappa Receptor agonist. The last few years I have felt pretty much better than I ever have. My facial structure has changed and I'm 28 now. I don't notice a change in my premature ejaculation. And still seek out dopamine boosting behaviors like ECigs, shopping online, a pretty hot gf who is up for it as much as I am. But I do try to not jerk off hardly at all. It's funny tho when I get really stressed at work I tend to watch maybe a few mins of porn and then just move on. It does make me feel better. For what it's worth. But quite interesting you fall into the outlier category. And I have ALWAYS believed endorphins vary in quantity and quality in people. And when I ised them not to get high but to legit feel normal I figured it had to be good for hair and immune system. Consequently my hair has diminished a little in the front over the last couple years. And I do have a good diet and stress is fairly low. Doet is mostly organic and finally got a solid career

I don't enjoy smoking anymore. I was an avid grower and did notice massive differences between strains and did research. There is varying degrees of different cannabinols that act differently on us. Now that I'm more career oriented and smoke very infrequently most I get anxious and don't enjoy smoking. Even hash oil made from most strains does the same thing. Maybe someday I will find a good genetic and keep it going that I enjoy. But our bodys are so separate but so related it's insane. I'm sure cannibinoids may fill a void for some people who legit need them.

chubbfrank wrote:I think that an abundant amount of sex/ejaculation/masturbation will ruin the conditions of the scalp. Part of this is an obvious increase of dht but I'm sure there's dozens of other factors. Premature ejaculation is an interesting obversation but I don't necessarily agree because prolonged sex increases said hormones which are also harmful to the scalp.

Male porn stars are the best example. Their lifestyles are unhealthy. Filled with viagra popping, prolonged endurance, probably very low zinc levels among other issues. And most of those guys are completely bald

Here's an observation I've noticed: most guys who have high sex drives also have noticeable mpb. The guys I've known who don't have much of a sex drive have full heads of hair. Coincidence?

Everything in moderation, even sex! The mainstream claim that ejaculating once a day is "healthy" is bull.

I don't think most of their life is unhealthy. I think they do film shoots maybe once a month and they have tons of money / feel very good about life. I think hair comes more down to internal environments. Just an opinion but using medicines that prolonge ejaculation I don't think necessarily mean your unhealthy. I think eating industrial raised meats is prob worse imo ; )

Marijuana genetics have been kind of a frustrating thing for me. The more sativa dominant strains tend to have the mental effects I enjoy more, the day high, sort of creative, animated effect. Unfortunately more of the medicinal, anti-inflammatory properties come with the indica dominant strains, and often mean the more sedative kind of put-you-on-your-ass high. So unfortunately I've had to separate the recreational activities from the medicinal ones, but ideally I'd like to find some genetics that do the best of both. But ain't that the holy grail.

I don't smoke that much either. Typically I smoke shortly before bed. It aids sleep and I get the medicinal effect and the high does not have to interrupt the state of consciousness I need to get things done during the day.

But overall, we talk a lot about supplements here. For me, I like supplements for things I can't count on the diet providing, and I take more of an orthomolecular stance on the subject. As far as using plant chemicals for their effects, cannabis is the king of anything medicinal, at least insofar as something that can be used regularly with good effect. When you start getting into more of the visionary plants, that's something different altogether. Unfortunately, altered states of consciousness are stigmatized in this society, especially the west. The government has systematically waged a war against consciousness altering substances, unless they're just the kind that make you fucking stupid like alcohol. Oh yes, that kind of conscious alteration is just fine. It just makes you hyper confident, aggressive, more prone to violence, and has people puking and fucking strangers. But something that can alter your consciousness in more of an ego-killing and medicinal way, get it away from us! The kids! Think about the kids!

Actually, not to hijack the thread. I'll leave it at this. I was just inspired by talking about cannabis. Check out Graham Hancocks TedX talk from Whitechapel.

It's all good. I wish more people would chime in about there sexual state when suffering from MPB. I am sure the amount of sex I have had and currently have screws with my scalp and hair. It's just hard to dial it back to once every 10 days which I feel is optimal for late 20s early 30s. Not to say that's normal but I think is good for people who were excessive for years in attempt to bring your sex profile back to normal.

As for Ted talks and botanicals / herbs. I think they can be uber helpful when you know your body well and are informed on what they do... Directly and indirectly... I do miss smoking when I found a good balanced strain for me... I do recall reading somewhere it can have an estrogenic effect when done in big time excess.

While we are on the cannabis topic, iv noticed some CBD oils available online (goo.gl/8AsgVb for example). CBD may only be one of the 85+ cannabinoids found in cannabis, and therefor its benefits would not be comparible to the wide spectrum of medical uses of natural cannabis (and its estimated 500 compounds), but as its a strong anti-inflammatory it may be a good topical for hairloss. Thoughts?

Corey,

One thing that I've noticed is that depending on my mindset with regards to sex, the experience after is totally different. Back when my porn habit used to be bad, I'd notice that my scalp, face, and ears would all get noticeably warm after ejaculation. My cheeks would flush. My scalp would get very pink. I also noticed my breathing changed. I was hyperventilating afterward, while being in a state of hypoventilation during orgasm and the period leading up to it. After I stopped watching porn, I went through a big change. I noticed that I had a lot of sexual insecurity that I'd never dealt with in adolescence. I had to first deal with most of this and it was not easy. But since then, my whole sexual response has just mellowed out a bit. I'm much less tense. Now, when I orgasm I don't get the flush. No redness or heat. Its very strange but I believe it has to do with the normal breathing and relaxation. I'm not getting the interrupted and then heightened oxygen intake. I'm probably dealing with less subconscious fear about my own sexual response. I'm not sure where I'm going with this, but these are just observations I've made. Like I said before, I used to notice a great deal of inflammation on the scalp after orgasm. Now I don't get this. Other times I've gotten this same pink scalp are typically periods when I'm drinking alcohol or when I'm very tense/anxious, the latter I know effects my breathing. When I'm anxious, my breathing rate slows dramatically. I just hold my breath without realizing it.

On the CBD oil, I'd get your product tested. I've read there is one pharma company with a patented CBD prescription drug and the US has a patent on CBD, but these things are scheduled drugs in both US and Canada. I'm not sure on the rules in the UK, but I can't imagine a high concentrate CBD product is just commercially available. I could be wrong though. I believe a higher CBD extract product would be an interesting topical, but as you mention we aren't totally aware of how the whole matrix of cannabinoids acts in conjunction and alongside other compounds in the plant. Unfortunately one of the most powerful medicines the world has ever known - natural mind you - is basically being monopolized by governments and pharma. We'll be able to get the medicinal benefits of marijuana as long its a sanctioned government sale through big pharma. Enter Epidiolex.

http://ukcsc.co.uk/new-drug-epidolex-by-gw-pharmaceuticals-gets-fda-cinical-trial-approval-for-pediatric-epilepsy/