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PSA Test : concern over results
Immortal,
I'd like your take on this.
Age: 59
Slight enlargement of prostate.
For years my PSA was 1.4. Latest test came back at 2.
I'm very concered. Any year to to year increase of over .75 should be a concern for Prostate Cancer.
Mine was .6. But it has me alarmed
I've been taking dim, hmr lignans, Saw Palmetto, and Beta Sis, Krill Oil, Cod Liver Oil, multi with selenium and zinc.
Any suggestions? Freaked out.
Thanks in advance
I'd like your take on this.
Age: 59
Slight enlargement of prostate.
For years my PSA was 1.4. Latest test came back at 2.
I'm very concered. Any year to to year increase of over .75 should be a concern for Prostate Cancer.
Mine was .6. But it has me alarmed
I've been taking dim, hmr lignans, Saw Palmetto, and Beta Sis, Krill Oil, Cod Liver Oil, multi with selenium and zinc.
Any suggestions? Freaked out.
Thanks in advance
eric- Posts : 7
Join date : 2008-09-16
Re: PSA Test : concern over results
That is strange, since you are on a superb prostate protection regime ...
Amaranthaceae- Posts : 1368
Join date : 2008-07-15
Location : Copenhagen
Re: PSA Test : concern over results
eric - Unless you're in your very early 40's or under, the PSA is highly inaccurate in terms of prostate cancer. The only thing it is useful for is measuring inflammation (of any kind). So a rising PSA is indicative of rising system inflammation, but not necessarily in the prostate.
There are two things you might want to eliminate from your treatment and something else to add.
Saw Palmetto and Beta-Sitosterol in particular can really knock down DHT levels. Bring them down too much can be potentially negative for prostate cancer.
Research now suggests that while the 2-hydroxyestrogen to 16-alpha-hydroxyestrogen should be kept in check, which is what you are already doing with the DIM, but there's another measure that could be just as significant. It's a measure of DHT to androstanediol ratio, which should be 1. Taking drugs or strong natural supplements such as Beta-Sitosterol or even Saw Palmetto can lower this to less than 1, increasing the carcinogenicity.
In another words, you don't want to lower DHT too much. So you might ask to have your DHT & Androstanediol levels measured.
In a trial where lowering DHT was tested in prostate cancer patients, the more aggressive prostate cancers had DHT/Androstanediol ratio less than 1.
As far as protection, having optimal levels of Vitamin D is pretty huge in terms of prostate cancer risk. For peace of mind you might consider taking Cayenne which can be "chemoprotective" against prostate cancer.
There are two things you might want to eliminate from your treatment and something else to add.
Saw Palmetto and Beta-Sitosterol in particular can really knock down DHT levels. Bring them down too much can be potentially negative for prostate cancer.
Research now suggests that while the 2-hydroxyestrogen to 16-alpha-hydroxyestrogen should be kept in check, which is what you are already doing with the DIM, but there's another measure that could be just as significant. It's a measure of DHT to androstanediol ratio, which should be 1. Taking drugs or strong natural supplements such as Beta-Sitosterol or even Saw Palmetto can lower this to less than 1, increasing the carcinogenicity.
In another words, you don't want to lower DHT too much. So you might ask to have your DHT & Androstanediol levels measured.
In a trial where lowering DHT was tested in prostate cancer patients, the more aggressive prostate cancers had DHT/Androstanediol ratio less than 1.
As far as protection, having optimal levels of Vitamin D is pretty huge in terms of prostate cancer risk. For peace of mind you might consider taking Cayenne which can be "chemoprotective" against prostate cancer.
Re: PSA Test : concern over results
Immortal,
Thanks for responding,
I started the Saw Palmetto and Beta sitosterol back in February, after being bombarded on the radio and TV about
Super Beta Prostate and all the Flomax and Advodart commercials.
I am thinking of cutting back to the following.
HMR Lignans
Dim Complex
Krill Oil
Vitamin D3
Muti Vitamin /Mineral that has zinc and selenium .
Ecklonia cava
What do you think?
Thanks for responding,
I started the Saw Palmetto and Beta sitosterol back in February, after being bombarded on the radio and TV about
Super Beta Prostate and all the Flomax and Advodart commercials.
I am thinking of cutting back to the following.
HMR Lignans
Dim Complex
Krill Oil
Vitamin D3
Muti Vitamin /Mineral that has zinc and selenium .
Ecklonia cava
What do you think?
eric- Posts : 7
Join date : 2008-09-16
Re: PSA Test : concern over results
eric - That sounds like a great idea. There's three things I forgot to mention.
In theory bringing up levels of iodine will virtually eliminate prostate cancer risks. This correlation has not been well studied, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.
One of the most successful prostate cancer treatments involve eliminating heavy metals. Prostate cancer for reasons not entirely understood usually have bacteria, heavy metals and calcium deposits. In some earlier threads there was discussion about Modifed Citrus Pectin and this have been proven over the years to be quite significant where prostate cancer is concerned.
Finally, if you optimize Magnesium levels this alone will cut your prostate cancer risk by 50%.
In theory bringing up levels of iodine will virtually eliminate prostate cancer risks. This correlation has not been well studied, but the circumstantial evidence is overwhelming.
One of the most successful prostate cancer treatments involve eliminating heavy metals. Prostate cancer for reasons not entirely understood usually have bacteria, heavy metals and calcium deposits. In some earlier threads there was discussion about Modifed Citrus Pectin and this have been proven over the years to be quite significant where prostate cancer is concerned.
Finally, if you optimize Magnesium levels this alone will cut your prostate cancer risk by 50%.
Re: PSA Test : concern over results
1. How much Cayene Pepper or capsules should I take?
2. Regarding the Magnisum, should I take this with a Calcium/Magnisum/D supplement. My wife takes that now.
2. Regarding the Magnisum, should I take this with a Calcium/Magnisum/D supplement. My wife takes that now.
eric- Posts : 7
Join date : 2008-09-16
Re: PSA Test : concern over results
eric - Generally it's good to take at least 400 milligrams of magnesium daily. Usually Calcium/Magnesium + D formulas do not contain enough Vitamin D. It's extremely rare (unheard of) to find a cancer patient with normal levels of magnesium. Avoid the oxide forms of Magnesium if it is a sole source, but it is okay if it is part of other blends for better absorption.
Regarding Cayenne (Capsaicin) I wasn't sure about the dose, so I did some checking and also found a personal story too.
From a study on mice:
Dose equivalent of 400 milligrams capsaicin (cayenne) three times a week to a 200 pound man. This would be about the amount found in three to eight fresh habanero peppers, depending hich are native to the Yucatan, have the highest amount of capsaicin. On the Scoville Heat Index, habaneros score 300,000 hon how hot the peppers were. The hotter the pepper, the greater the capsaicin content. Habanero peppers, weat units. Jalapeno peppers, popular in the U.S., score between 2,500 and 3,000 heat units.
In light of that, you might try finding the highest heat unit Cayenne you can find and take a couple of these.
Here's a story I found, thought I'd post it here.
Cayenne Pepper seems to have cured my prostate cancer!!
Post a new topicby PepperLover on Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:00 pm
In April 2006 I was diagnosed with prostate cancer after a biopsy - Gleason score 6(3+3). I was strongly urged to have the prostate removed immediately. I refused & starting doing research. I found a Cedars-Sinai Medical Center/UCLA School of Medicine study that said that capsaicin (the stuff that makes pepper hot) fed to rats bred to have human prostate cancer had caused the tumors to die! (I put a link here to the study report but it has been removed by the admin - search for "prostate cancer study" & you will find it)
I immediately started taking cayenne pepper capsules daily. I took the equivalent human dose from the study & made that my goal. I gradually consumed more each week until I reached what I thought was the right dose. I had improved symptoms within the first two weeks - urination was easier - I had not been able to reach orgasm at the time of diagnosis but that too improved & is still improving.
Last month I decided to see a urologist to see what was involved in "Watchful Waiting" - he wanted to do another biopsy since it had been two years - I agreed & the results came back clean - they found no cancer - not a trace! My doctor was stunned & said that in 18 years he had never seen such a result. We had it double checked & I am indeed cancer free.
I am confident it was the cayenne that made the tumor disappear - given the study results.
I plan to keep taking it indefinitely & I recommend it to any male who has been diagnosed with either BPH or prostate cancer.
Regarding Cayenne (Capsaicin) I wasn't sure about the dose, so I did some checking and also found a personal story too.
From a study on mice:
Dose equivalent of 400 milligrams capsaicin (cayenne) three times a week to a 200 pound man. This would be about the amount found in three to eight fresh habanero peppers, depending hich are native to the Yucatan, have the highest amount of capsaicin. On the Scoville Heat Index, habaneros score 300,000 hon how hot the peppers were. The hotter the pepper, the greater the capsaicin content. Habanero peppers, weat units. Jalapeno peppers, popular in the U.S., score between 2,500 and 3,000 heat units.
In light of that, you might try finding the highest heat unit Cayenne you can find and take a couple of these.
Here's a story I found, thought I'd post it here.
Cayenne Pepper seems to have cured my prostate cancer!!
Post a new topicby PepperLover on Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:00 pm
In April 2006 I was diagnosed with prostate cancer after a biopsy - Gleason score 6(3+3). I was strongly urged to have the prostate removed immediately. I refused & starting doing research. I found a Cedars-Sinai Medical Center/UCLA School of Medicine study that said that capsaicin (the stuff that makes pepper hot) fed to rats bred to have human prostate cancer had caused the tumors to die! (I put a link here to the study report but it has been removed by the admin - search for "prostate cancer study" & you will find it)
I immediately started taking cayenne pepper capsules daily. I took the equivalent human dose from the study & made that my goal. I gradually consumed more each week until I reached what I thought was the right dose. I had improved symptoms within the first two weeks - urination was easier - I had not been able to reach orgasm at the time of diagnosis but that too improved & is still improving.
Last month I decided to see a urologist to see what was involved in "Watchful Waiting" - he wanted to do another biopsy since it had been two years - I agreed & the results came back clean - they found no cancer - not a trace! My doctor was stunned & said that in 18 years he had never seen such a result. We had it double checked & I am indeed cancer free.
I am confident it was the cayenne that made the tumor disappear - given the study results.
I plan to keep taking it indefinitely & I recommend it to any male who has been diagnosed with either BPH or prostate cancer.
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