MASSIVE shed from heavy metal chelation, good or not?

gg4545 wrote:i would tell you to drop the gelatin and get it from an animal source like bone broth and say pick up l-glutamine for healing the gut

Gelatin is made in part from beef bone marrow. It is an animal source product.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Materials_Used_in_Gelatin_Production.svg

gg4545 wrote:did you saltload before using iodine?
also if it makes you feel better do what you feel is best! seems like its one of those good/bad products which help and harm you. glutamine and products that concern the gut take months to really heal!!

Yeah dude I salt loaded. Get this.. when I took salt, I could literally feel my hair falling out also!!!!!!!! It was like a feeling similar to above, it feels like a thumbtack on my head (not as painful, but similar phenomena) and a bunch of hairs will fall out in the area. Many things makes this happen.. vit C, ecklonia cava, idoine, salt. Vitamin actually doesn't make my hair fall out.

Vitamin E doesn';t do it.. Vitamin E also blocks over producing DHT I believe.. when I used to take vitamin E it made my penis go completely numb in like 10 minutes when my propecia side effects were way worse... vitamin E helps with hair loss.. but I feel a negative in the sexual department (another hit that propecia has screwed up my DHT/sex drive stuff going on)

and yeah.. that sucks gelatin and all that makes me FEEL good.. but my hair goes away... lol. maybe i will have to find a decent hair transplant because this is the first time in my life girls are not interested in me anymore... and it sucks because my game is actually good now and i have slightly actual sex drive..... lol waht the hell man.

Gelatin is made in part from beef bone marrow. It is an animal source product.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Materials_Used_in_Gelatin_Production.svg

Yeah, this is exactly what I was thinking. You know when I think about it, as soon as you posted this law, I realized that when I was eating a lot of steak my hair was falling out and I remember J saying something aout how he doesn't eat red meat. Maybe I should try to find another thing similar to gelatin but not from the beef animal category... ?

sanderson wrote:

gg4545 wrote:did you saltload before using iodine?
also if it makes you feel better do what you feel is best! seems like its one of those good/bad products which help and harm you. glutamine and products that concern the gut take months to really heal!!

Yeah dude I salt loaded. Get this.. when I took salt, I could literally feel my hair falling out also!!!!!!!! It was like a feeling similar to above, it feels like a thumbtack on my head (not as painful, but similar phenomena) and a bunch of hairs will fall out in the area. Many things makes this happen.. vit C, ecklonia cava, idoine, salt. Vitamin actually doesn't make my hair fall out.

Vitamin E doesn';t do it.. Vitamin E also blocks over producing DHT I believe.. when I used to take vitamin E it made my penis go completely numb in like 10 minutes when my propecia side effects were way worse... vitamin E helps with hair loss.. but I feel a negative in the sexual department (another hit that propecia has screwed up my DHT/sex drive stuff going on)

and yeah.. that sucks gelatin and all that makes me FEEL good.. but my hair goes away... lol. maybe i will have to find a decent hair transplant because this is the first time in my life girls are not interested in me anymore... and it sucks because my game is actually good now and i have slightly actual sex drive..... lol waht the hell man.

Shitty man. Omega3s in high dose, get on it quick! Thats the one thing I have confidence that will help you in the short run.
Vitamin E should not cause dht blocking effects or loss of libido, it actually is supposed to improve blood flow. Try eating large amounts of pumpkin seeds, avocado, sun flower seeds, and brazil nuts every day, see if that helps.

J987 wrote:

sanderson wrote:

gg4545 wrote:did you saltload before using iodine?
also if it makes you feel better do what you feel is best! seems like its one of those good/bad products which help and harm you. glutamine and products that concern the gut take months to really heal!!

Yeah dude I salt loaded. Get this.. when I took salt, I could literally feel my hair falling out also!!!!!!!! It was like a feeling similar to above, it feels like a thumbtack on my head (not as painful, but similar phenomena) and a bunch of hairs will fall out in the area. Many things makes this happen.. vit C, ecklonia cava, idoine, salt. Vitamin actually doesn't make my hair fall out.

Vitamin E doesn';t do it.. Vitamin E also blocks over producing DHT I believe.. when I used to take vitamin E it made my penis go completely numb in like 10 minutes when my propecia side effects were way worse... vitamin E helps with hair loss.. but I feel a negative in the sexual department (another hit that propecia has screwed up my DHT/sex drive stuff going on)

and yeah.. that sucks gelatin and all that makes me FEEL good.. but my hair goes away... lol. maybe i will have to find a decent hair transplant because this is the first time in my life girls are not interested in me anymore... and it sucks because my game is actually good now and i have slightly actual sex drive..... lol waht the hell man.

Shitty man. Omega3s in high dose, get on it quick! Thats the one thing I have confidence that will help you in the short run.
Vitamin E should not cause dht blocking effects or loss of libido, it actually is supposed to improve blood flow. Try eating large amounts of pumpkin seeds, avocado, sun flower seeds, and brazil nuts every day, see if that helps.

I took vitamin E in droplet form and literally my penis went completely numb in 10 minutes. I also had to use it on my penis directly because I started getting peyroines and it made my penis go numb from direct contact! not sure if it was DHT or what... but it definetely without a doubt did something.

Avacado definetly causes scalp itch, I know because I was eating many of them for potassium reasons. (cant have bananas) was doing that and coconut water, but cococnut water actually makes my testicles shrink (yes strange...)

i could try brazil nuts and sun flower seeds though, i will give it atry.

guys, i just found out my mom had mercury fillings since she was like 10 years old and she still has them today.. is it possible i got mercury from her? damn... i wonder if this is one of my problems .

sanderson wrote:guys, i just found out my mom had mercury fillings since she was like 10 years old and she still has them today.. is it possible i got mercury from her? damn... i wonder if this is one of my problems .

heavy metal detox with humifulvate, iodine, ALA + ALC taking with plenty of antioxidants will solve the speculation. I assume your thyroid is far dead. Mum passes to child some amount of HM, but also the whole gut flora and inflamatory pathogens.

far from dead, sorry... i think you are one of more energic posters here...

Beebrox wrote:far from dead, sorry... i think you are one of more energic posters here...

haha, yes i'd say so. i've felt close to death like last year... getting better by the months as they pass.. thanks to my diet.

but the whole heavy metal detox brings me back to the main part of the post of... heavy meatal detox makes my hair fall out... lol, im running in circles with this shit. =\

As far as the gelatin, I second that you should get it from bone broth.

But if you really want my advice about how you are feeling, you've got to relax man. I know what it is like losing hair at that age. I'm only 24 and have been thinning since about 19. It's rough. But you've got to realize that losing your hair has changed the lens you view the world through, there is a real shame involved with it. And bearing those beliefs is going to be a constant stressor for you. You are going to keep searching and searching for new products to take, but until you are able to get your stress under control, nothing is going to work. Its almost like once you notice thinning, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that we egg on with this constant battle against it. Its going to take you getting comfortable about the idea of you losing your hair and getting right with it, and losing that sense of shame and the identity crisis this thing brings on.

Chances are these things you are saying cause you to lose hair instantly are not doing that at all. Its psychological. One you start losing your ahir and get on forums like these and start looking for health reasons as to why your hair is falling out, it is beyond easy to become a complete hypchondriac. Trust me, during my growth in all of this, I've thought I had everything in the book wrong with me at one time or another. One day it is my liver, the next it is a cryptic skin bacteria, the next its a cyst on my testicle haha. If you approach something with the idea that its going to have negative consequences, it probably will.

Once you get over the fear, then I believe progress can be made, but not until then. Funny thing is, once you're over the fear you no longer care if it doesn't work either. Kind of ironic. But consider anyone who is at the top of anything success-wise, are they successful because they were so afraid they would be unsuccessful? Nope. People rarely succeed in anything where thoughts of failure consume them. Relax and realize that people probably aren't reacting to you the way you think they are. Two people can look at the same event and interpret it in two very different ways, its all about how your own mental map is drawn out. Losing your hair can seriously skew the way you see the world and the things that happen to you in it, and its all due to this underlying sense of shame. Ditch it. There's nothing to be ashamed about. If somebody doesn't like it, fuck 'em.

anthonyspencer54 wrote:As far as the gelatin, I second that you should get it from bone broth.

But if you really want my advice about how you are feeling, you've got to relax man. I know what it is like losing hair at that age. I'm only 24 and have been thinning since about 19. It's rough. But you've got to realize that losing your hair has changed the lens you view the world through, there is a real shame involved with it. And bearing those beliefs is going to be a constant stressor for you. You are going to keep searching and searching for new products to take, but until you are able to get your stress under control, nothing is going to work. Its almost like once you notice thinning, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that we egg on with this constant battle against it. Its going to take you getting comfortable about the idea of you losing your hair and getting right with it, and losing that sense of shame and the identity crisis this thing brings on.

Chances are these things you are saying cause you to lose hair instantly are not doing that at all. Its psychological. One you start losing your ahir and get on forums like these and start looking for health reasons as to why your hair is falling out, it is beyond easy to become a complete hypchondriac. Trust me, during my growth in all of this, I've thought I had everything in the book wrong with me at one time or another. One day it is my liver, the next it is a cryptic skin bacteria, the next its a cyst on my testicle haha. If you approach something with the idea that its going to have negative consequences, it probably will.

Once you get over the fear, then I believe progress can be made, but not until then. Funny thing is, once you're over the fear you no longer care if it doesn't work either. Kind of ironic. But consider anyone who is at the top of anything success-wise, are they successful because they were so afraid they would be unsuccessful? Nope. People rarely succeed in anything where thoughts of failure consume them. Relax and realize that people probably aren't reacting to you the way you think they are. Two people can look at the same event and interpret it in two very different ways, its all about how your own mental map is drawn out. Losing your hair can seriously skew the way you see the world and the things that happen to you in it, and its all due to this underlying sense of shame. Ditch it. There's nothing to be ashamed about. If somebody doesn't like it, fuck 'em.

thanks for the grounding man. you are absolutely right.. if someone doesn't like you, then they can go fuck themselves. i'm all about that attitude. it just fucking sucks that when my hair is long... girls were always into me.. and now it is completely different. okay, that is a whole other issue that I will not get into here... i've been into the "pickup community" for a good 3 years and know way too much on that shit all ready.

but anthony, i understand from how you are reading my posts, that it would seem like stress is the main causor of my hair loss.. which is completely possible. however, i'm much less stressed than i was last year. imagine waking up in the morning with morning wood and having no idea of it until you walked into the bathroom and saw it in the mirror... that shit is stress, having a completely numb penis where yuo can literally cut it and wouldn't feel a damn thing. or the fact that every doctor told me it was "in my head". like yeah really, my completely numb penis which i can't feel is completely in my head, go fuck yourself MD. you know ?

but honestly, there are certain things that either cause the hair loss or make it go away and the main dilemma i am facing is that i have no idea if it's "good" or "bad" thanks to propecia, you know? part of me is thinking it's good, i'm going back to normal since my sex drive is still fucked up, part of me is thinking it's bad, i'm getting worse health wise. i have no idea at all. i mean, on one hand it is kinda nice to have sex drive from when i take iodine because even if i keep my hair, it's not like i was getting laid or was interested in getting laid.. it's like the definition of irony. i have hair to get girls, but no sex drive... or i can have no hair and sex drive, then there are less girls? lol.

but yeah man, some of this shit is not in my head though.. like when i take vitamin E my hair loss slows down considerably, however, i feel it hurts me sexually... and when i take iodine, i can take a shower and find about 30-40 hairs in my hand that weren't there before.. i can literally feel the inflammation on my head.

but yeah, maybe i should start meditating again...

Sanderson,

I definitely didn't mean to sound condescending back there. It kind of did but I don't think I know your whole situation either. Hell, I'm still trying to figure my shit out too. I just realized at one point that I was way to conscious of everything I was putting in my body, and I would get myself so worked up about everything that even eating became this hyper-conscious event, and what happened, I always wound up with digestion problems, go figure. I realized, I'm doing more to take care of my health right now than most and yet I feel less healthy than before. I looked at guys who weren't losing hair and I realized they were hardly conscious of what they were doing healthwise at all, but they were healthier. It occurred to me that I was just stressing too much. Trying to take control of everything going on in the body is an impossibility and at some point we just have to give it what it needs and trust in its intelligence. I just became tired of always thinking about it. Nobody should live their lives focused on their health and what every little detail could be doing, all day long, every other thought. It just causes more problems than it prevents.

But I hear you though. This shit isn't easy. And as far as the dick thing goes, I got anxious thinking about it. But you know you are on the right track if function is starting to come back. If your shit's working, it has to be a good indicator that your overall health is improving.

I'm all too familiar with the pickup community as well. Much of what I said above can be applied to a ton of men in that community. It becomes way to cerebral of an effort and what happens? No success for most. Its a product of over-thinking everything. But it also gives you a good perspective on the role of a man in a social interaction, and from that you can have the confidence to say fuck you to anybody who doesn't like something about you. Good looking out man. Keep me updated on the situation.

sanderson wrote:

anthonyspencer54 wrote:As far as the gelatin, I second that you should get it from bone broth.

But if you really want my advice about how you are feeling, you've got to relax man. I know what it is like losing hair at that age. I'm only 24 and have been thinning since about 19. It's rough. But you've got to realize that losing your hair has changed the lens you view the world through, there is a real shame involved with it. And bearing those beliefs is going to be a constant stressor for you. You are going to keep searching and searching for new products to take, but until you are able to get your stress under control, nothing is going to work. Its almost like once you notice thinning, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy that we egg on with this constant battle against it. Its going to take you getting comfortable about the idea of you losing your hair and getting right with it, and losing that sense of shame and the identity crisis this thing brings on.

Chances are these things you are saying cause you to lose hair instantly are not doing that at all. Its psychological. One you start losing your ahir and get on forums like these and start looking for health reasons as to why your hair is falling out, it is beyond easy to become a complete hypchondriac. Trust me, during my growth in all of this, I've thought I had everything in the book wrong with me at one time or another. One day it is my liver, the next it is a cryptic skin bacteria, the next its a cyst on my testicle haha. If you approach something with the idea that its going to have negative consequences, it probably will.

Once you get over the fear, then I believe progress can be made, but not until then. Funny thing is, once you're over the fear you no longer care if it doesn't work either. Kind of ironic. But consider anyone who is at the top of anything success-wise, are they successful because they were so afraid they would be unsuccessful? Nope. People rarely succeed in anything where thoughts of failure consume them. Relax and realize that people probably aren't reacting to you the way you think they are. Two people can look at the same event and interpret it in two very different ways, its all about how your own mental map is drawn out. Losing your hair can seriously skew the way you see the world and the things that happen to you in it, and its all due to this underlying sense of shame. Ditch it. There's nothing to be ashamed about. If somebody doesn't like it, fuck 'em.

thanks for the grounding man. you are absolutely right.. if someone doesn't like you, then they can go fuck themselves. i'm all about that attitude. it just fucking sucks that when my hair is long... girls were always into me.. and now it is completely different. okay, that is a whole other issue that I will not get into here... i've been into the "pickup community" for a good 3 years and know way too much on that shit all ready.

but anthony, i understand from how you are reading my posts, that it would seem like stress is the main causor of my hair loss.. which is completely possible. however, i'm much less stressed than i was last year. imagine waking up in the morning with morning wood and having no idea of it until you walked into the bathroom and saw it in the mirror... that shit is stress, having a completely numb penis where yuo can literally cut it and wouldn't feel a damn thing. or the fact that every doctor told me it was "in my head". like yeah really, my completely numb penis which i can't feel is completely in my head, go fuck yourself MD. you know ?

but honestly, there are certain things that either cause the hair loss or make it go away and the main dilemma i am facing is that i have no idea if it's "good" or "bad" thanks to propecia, you know? part of me is thinking it's good, i'm going back to normal since my sex drive is still fucked up, part of me is thinking it's bad, i'm getting worse health wise. i have no idea at all. i mean, on one hand it is kinda nice to have sex drive from when i take iodine because even if i keep my hair, it's not like i was getting laid or was interested in getting laid.. it's like the definition of irony. i have hair to get girls, but no sex drive... or i can have no hair and sex drive, then there are less girls? lol.

but yeah man, some of this shit is not in my head though.. like when i take vitamin E my hair loss slows down considerably, however, i feel it hurts me sexually... and when i take iodine, i can take a shower and find about 30-40 hairs in my hand that weren't there before.. i can literally feel the inflammation on my head.

but yeah, maybe i should start meditating again...

Besides the omega3's, If I had to guess you are probably still deficient in quite a substantial group of minerals causing very suboptimal bodily processes. Along your journey of fixing your gut health, have you also considered Zinc, selenium and magnesium? Those are pretty wide spread in regards to typically being a deficiency.Also if all of these very mild alpha reductase inhibitors ( like coconut, avocado etc.) are causing your libido to crap out, that could actually mean your dht levels are actually very low. This is my theory on men who get on propecia and lose their sex drive, its because they are wrongly diagnosed as dht being the problem, when in reality they have low levels of dht and testosterone. I'm sure there are other little nasty tidbits that propecia does to ones brain etc, but this can likely be reverse with time.Speaking of which, your testosterone is likely bottomed out. I believe a high healthy youthful testosterone level will not allow you to have a numb limp penis, or much hair loss ( that is unless 5AR over- activates in the body/scalp, due to deficiencies, inflammation or whatever.) but if your dht levels were normal or high that would also mean you should still have good libido, and the amount of dht in system isnt as important as the ratio of other hormones along with the dht. I honestly believe the body increases 5AR activity when it notices testosterone levels plummeting (also think aging), since dht cannot be aromatised into estrogen, so this essentially could be a natural function to keep us in a reproductive manly state for longer.. As far as estrogen, consider a high quality Maca root, and avoid BPA like the plague... Also I would consider a good exercise program if you are already not on one.I think the whole secret to this hair loss thing is really simple as maximizing health from all angles and if you did it soon enough the hair wont fall anymore, and much could possibly grow back.. It sounds as you still have a lot of hair and your only recently loosing a lot, so you are likely still in a good place. If you are really serious, may be time to invest in some blood work on your hormone levels and vitamin/ mineral analysis throughout your body. I would do that myself but doesnt appear i need it, and figure im just going to aggressively load up on nutrition anyways...

anthonyspencer54 wrote:Sanderson,

I definitely didn't mean to sound condescending back there. It kind of did but I don't think I know your whole situation either. Hell, I'm still trying to figure my shit out too. I just realized at one point that I was way to conscious of everything I was putting in my body, and I would get myself so worked up about everything that even eating became this hyper-conscious event, and what happened, I always wound up with digestion problems, go figure. I realized, I'm doing more to take care of my health right now than most and yet I feel less healthy than before. I looked at guys who weren't losing hair and I realized they were hardly conscious of what they were doing healthwise at all, but they were healthier. It occurred to me that I was just stressing too much. Trying to take control of everything going on in the body is an impossibility and at some point we just have to give it what it needs and trust in its intelligence. I just became tired of always thinking about it. Nobody should live their lives focused on their health and what every little detail could be doing, all day long, every other thought. It just causes more problems than it prevents.

But I hear you though. This shit isn't easy. And as far as the dick thing goes, I got anxious thinking about it. But you know you are on the right track if function is starting to come back. If your shit's working, it has to be a good indicator that your overall health is improving.

I'm all too familiar with the pickup community as well. Much of what I said above can be applied to a ton of men in that community. It becomes way to cerebral of an effort and what happens? No success for most. Its a product of over-thinking everything. But it also gives you a good perspective on the role of a man in a social interaction, and from that you can have the confidence to say fuck you to anybody who doesn't like something about you. Good looking out man. Keep me updated on the situation.

Hey anthony. It can be difficult to read people online lol, but I definetely didn't mean to sound like I was offended or anything from your post either and I definietely highly value your opinions on the matter, just wanted to make that clear.

There is def. a link with the "mental" factor and there's some loose ends going on for sure. I think teh whole reason my hair loss even started was from MASSIVE stress from me being a little bitch in high school. I was that awkward guy and I think I had food sensitivities or something because I was always anxious.. mostly from being highly insecure, having no game with girls, etc etc. Live and learn, eh?

But I found myself thinking of my "first love" the other day and felt my hair getting itchy as I felt myself getting slightly emotional. (i'm really sharing my life story on this forum lmao, nothing is being held back at this point lmao...) Immediately I thought of some cortisol stress type issue or something going on. It was indeed interesting phenomena.. However, I can usually find the point of origin on what helps or doesn't help with hair or sexually just because I'm so restricted on diet and I pay attention to EVERYTHING on my body.

Besides the omega3's, If I had to guess you are probably still deficient in quite a substantial group of minerals causing very suboptimal bodily processes. Along your journey of fixing your gut health, have you also considered Zinc, selenium and magnesium? Those are pretty wide spread in regards to typically being a deficiency.Also if all of these very mild alpha reductase inhibitors ( like coconut, avocado etc.) are causing your libido to crap out, that could actually mean your dht levels are actually very low. This is my theory on men who get on propecia and lose their sex drive, its because they are wrongly diagnosed as dht being the problem, when in reality they have low levels of dht and testosterone. I'm sure there are other little nasty tidbits that propecia does to ones brain etc, but this can likely be reverse with time.Speaking of which, your testosterone is likely bottomed out. I believe a high healthy youthful testosterone level will not allow you to have a numb limp penis, or much hair loss ( that is unless 5AR over- activates in the body/scalp, due to deficiencies, inflammation or whatever.) but if your dht levels were normal or high that would also mean you should still have good libido, and the amount of dht in system isnt as important as the ratio of other hormones along with the dht. I honestly believe the body increases 5AR activity when it notices testosterone levels plummeting (also think aging), since dht cannot be aromatised into estrogen, so this essentially could be a natural function to keep us in a reproductive manly state for longer.. As far as estrogen, consider a high quality Maca root, and avoid BPA like the plague... Also I would consider a good exercise program if you are already not on one.I think the whole secret to this hair loss thing is really simple as maximizing health from all angles and if you did it soon enough the hair wont fall anymore, and much could possibly grow back.. It sounds as you still have a lot of hair and your only recently loosing a lot, so you are likely still in a good place. If you are really serious, may be time to invest in some blood work on your hormone levels and vitamin/ mineral analysis throughout your body. I would do that myself but doesnt appear i need it, and figure im just going to aggressively load up on nutrition anyways...

I've taken zinc, mag, and selenium. Zinc basically does nothing for me.. mag not sure, selenium makes my hair itchy and falls out. Again, is this a good thing for hair falling out or not.. I have no idea.. I'm basically alone on this propecia side effect disease because no one else from the main help forum really believes or understands how much the body and diet and everything come together like this forum and this forum is pretty much the only one out there with this stuff so I can't be sure.. I'm basically testing everything.

When my hair wasn't falling out, I had "normal" DHT levels, as in where hair wouldn't be falling out at the point, but I had no sex drive. I've pretty much not concerned myself with all the hormones involved because I know that there's another origin for having these propecia problems, you know? It's obviously something with digestion or something I'm missing. I like your ocmment on nutrtional evaluation, I need to get one of those.. I just don't want to spend the money right now for it. I saw a good one for like $500 that checks everything, but again.. don't want to spend almost a whole paycheck on it really until I start bringing in more income (working on it, oh yeah!)

thanks for the suggestion on maca, unfortunately I did try it the other day, and now my penis has gone semi numb. Not sure what happened with it.... I'm pretty much going to stop all masturbation at this point until it goes back to normal, this usually makes it better, I can also improve it through iodine when I want to get on it again.

update on my situation so i've labeled colostrum as not good for me. i bought some from marysgarden.com and I thought it was helping me. the other day i felt decently *good* (not really my hair), and then I took a colostrum pill. after about 10 mins, I felt my hair getting itchy. if you guys have followed my posts, i am not sure if my hair falling out is a good sign or bad sign (since i have sex drive propecia side effects), but then i felt my sex drive bottom out and hit a low within the next 30 mins so this pretty much shows me colostrum is bad. i started wondering if this was some kind of "die off" effect.. but i'm not sure. i just felt depressed and shit, low sex drive, not really good, my mood went to crap, i think i will lay off it.

here's another crazy revelation i've had. so i bought the vitamin b complex that CS recommended to me earlier in this post from his link and didn't really notice anything from it. remember when i told you guys that after i took vitamin B complex, i felt like my sex drive was back? well guess what, it came back again... but from a different vit B complex, but get this, i bought it from WAL MART.

this was the one i bought: http://www.naturemade.com/products/b-complex/super-b-complex

i randomly had one left and took it, and the next day i could feel the "arousal" feeling in my stomach, like that feeling when you are in the sex mood... that i usually never have, and only ever had it when i first took this same B complex when you guys first recommended it.

so i bought more of it and i'm taking that B complex from now on. maybe cuz the vit C in it is all i can think of even though i have vitamin C here and took it with vit B and it didnt have the same effect.. very strange.

i continue to take the gluthione and NAC, killed gelatin for a little.

i think what i'm going to do is buy all the precursors to the methylation and work on that from what anthony sent me. i was walking today feeling stressed out and shit about my situation and losing my hair trying to think of my next move when i thought, well okay i have possibly the key to the problem here, it was proven by CS with the whole methylation thing on why my hair would fall out if i took heavy metal detox, so i should try to fix it! so i'm going to attack the methylation thing now and go with it. i know some of you guys will say you need more time or something ot try things out, but honestly, i just need to fix my propecia side effects before i do anything or before i can take action.. i take iodine and my hair sheds like mad.. obviously this is a problem and i need to take iodine and have it help my hair, not hurt it.

so i've been taking NAC, NAG, b complex from walmart, coconut oil and the charcoal. i'd say my stool is actually changing and something is happening since i added in the coconut oil and the charcoal.. it seems my stool is becoming more brown colored and normal, but then today it was a random funky color, i actually forget what it was, but it was like multi colored or something like lightish brown maybe. it looked like many chunks of the coconut oil in there also. (thanks abc for this info, you may have saved my digestion)

also, my hair is shedding a lot lately. like for example today i dry my hair with my towel and i find like 20 hairs in my towel, this has been happening everytime i dry my hair so obviously something of the above is causing a shed (good or not, i have no idea thanks to propecia, but i am still not "normal" sexually all the way so i'm not sure if it's good shed or not)

also today, dum dum dum, i buzzed my head completely! i was depressed at work about my hair and i was just like, F this , i'm getting this all taken away i can't take this stress anymore so i got it buzzed jesse pinkman style. it actually looks decent and probably better than it does how it was before tbh, i'm just going to keep it buzzed short. i felt kinda like a badass today with it buzzed. plus i am now able to put on emu oil and coconut oil directly on the scalp and know it's getting absorbed EVERYWHERE.

i'm going to stop taking EVERYTHING except coconut oil and charcoal and digestive enzymes and probiotics and i'm going to buy all the methylation co factors that anthony mentioned to me in a post. thanks to CS and anthony for telling me about methylation, but i think this is really my main problem here. i buzzed my head to prepare my scalp so i could make sure topically i'm putting everything i can on it to control any shedding that may happen with methylation time. i'm goign to order teh stuff tomorrow/tonight so since i'll buy it all from iherb i should get it later this week and we will see what happens.....

Hell yeah, Sanderson. Good for you man. You took the jump. Glad you liked how it looked. I need to grab my nuts and do the same, I just haven't been brave enough to do it. Your stool darkening is a good sign by the way, it means you are digesting fats more properly. Charcoal can get bile flowing, and I'd probably blame it on that. Based on how you feel though, would you recommend the head shave. Do you feel more confident walking down the street? I know in theory I'd probably look better with it, but it is a drastic change so I keep hesitating.

anthonyspencer54 wrote:Hell yeah, Sanderson. Good for you man. You took the jump. Glad you liked how it looked. I need to grab my nuts and do the same, I just haven't been brave enough to do it. Your stool darkening is a good sign by the way, it means you are digesting fats more properly. Charcoal can get bile flowing, and I'd probably blame it on that. Based on how you feel though, would you recommend the head shave. Do you feel more confident walking down the street? I know in theory I'd probably look better with it, but it is a drastic change so I keep hesitating.

Yeah, I didn't really notice any difference. I was looking to see if people were looking twice at me to see if it looked awkward, but it really didn't.. no one really noticed or double looked at me so I was into it. I mostly did it because I know that with my current shedding.. I need to get it under control with topicals and make sure the topicals are getting where they need to be. I figured it was better to have the topicals on my head and have a possibility of saving my hair while I'm in this massive shedding state or I would regret not cutting it if I actually did lose everything....

the hardest part was going to the haircut place and hearing before i went up the two hair stylists cracking up about the guy before me who was freaking out about his hair cut because he was balding.. i was thinking to myself, wow this is goign to be awkward. but i basically just kinda joked about it and told her to goto the grain and to make sure it is evening out because i'm like the last guy that was here lol. she was really cool about it and i left her a good tip.

do it man, i really feel the emu oil and coconut oil everywhere on my head which is nice.. i will get this shedding under control because of this until everything else catches up... then i will let it grow out...

crazy update that i need to post here. i went and got a "deep tissue neurological" massage or something like that and ummm jesus my back is completely full of tense muscles EVERYWHERE. literally.. this shit was so painful, so was finding these knots and tangles everywhere. anyway, after it finishes, i am literally laughing my ass off in the massage room putting my shirt on for absolutely no reason. it was like an opening of endorphins flooded into my system. i seriosuly couldnt even keep a straight face when i was talking to her i was just smiling so big.. i literally havent been this happy like ever, i dont know what the hell this was. i felt like i was almost drunk or high or something, like really high on life after this deep tissue massage, it was like 60 minutes of intense massage. and then i felt like horny afterwards... it was so crazy.

i still feel really good right now, like i have a nice warm feeling in my tummy right now. i even felt like tingles going through my feet and toes as if energy was flowing while she worked otu some kinks.

i read on propecia forum that some people think pudendal neuropathies or some kind of inflammation of the puudendal nerve is causing many problems like numbness and shit and something is worng with the spinal cord. i tried searching this forum for demyelination because someone on the propeca tested positive for it, but cant really find any information on it.

after this intense back massage and how good i feel... i really wonder if this could be on the right track? all i know is i have another 3 massages waiting in queue... i love groupon. will post back with more updates.

has anyone read anything about this or know why a massage would do so good for me, could my back just be so full of kinks that it is causing my spine to not send hormones right or something?

anthony... that methylation post you made that is the wiki that had the whole 6 vitamin protocol on it is exactly on point. i've been on this for about a week and a half... not only has my mental clarity improved 10 fold, but my scalp inflammation has gone to almost nothing. this is i think the first time in my life that i havent walked into a grocery having mental anxiety in about 3 years. i shit you not, i literally had social anxiety everytime i walked into a public place.. i thought i was just weird. and then im actually in a good mood which i thought was impossible for me, im actively way more social at my job and with people around me. plus, im dreaming again. once ive been on this for a month or two, im going to hit up the iodine and metal cleanses and i think it will put everything into the proper place. WOOT THANKS ANTHONY AND CS. thanks CS for pin pointing methylation and thank you anthony for the link and thank you CS for pushing iodine so much. if you never pushing iodine, i would still be in a very, very bad place.

i wonder if this methylation stuff could help other people with their hair... ? it definietly has turned down scalp inflammation. my hair was itchy practically all the time. and it definietely shows, after i buzzed my head, i can see my scalp in certain places.. this was like a 6 month super shed because of idoien and metal cleanses, maybe metylation was off and it made it impossible for me to detox?

Hey Sanderson,

Really glad to hear it man. I have to agree that I think its very important, and as far as the anxiety goes, thats really big. You can't put a value on the simple sense of well-being so if its working for you in that respect, its paid for itself many times over. I haven't been on the whole protocol as of yet, but I plan on getting the products in the coming weeks. I'll be interested to see if I share some of the benefits you are having. Thanks for the update sir.

Hey sanderson,

Can you post exactly what are you taking?

Cheers.

sanderson wrote:anthony... that methylation post you made that is the wiki that had the whole 6 vitamin protocol on it is exactly on point. i've been on this for about a week and a half... not only has my mental clarity improved 10 fold, but my scalp inflammation has gone to almost nothing. this is i think the first time in my life that i havent walked into a grocery having mental anxiety in about 3 years. i shit you not, i literally had social anxiety everytime i walked into a public place.. i thought i was just weird. and then im actually in a good mood which i thought was impossible for me, im actively way more social at my job and with people around me. plus, im dreaming again. once ive been on this for a month or two, im going to hit up the iodine and metal cleanses and i think it will put everything into the proper place. WOOT THANKS ANTHONY AND CS. thanks CS for pin pointing methylation and thank you anthony for the link and thank you CS for pushing iodine so much. if you never pushing iodine, i would still be in a very, very bad place.

i wonder if this methylation stuff could help other people with their hair... ? it definietly has turned down scalp inflammation. my hair was itchy practically all the time. and it definietely shows, after i buzzed my head, i can see my scalp in certain places.. this was like a 6 month super shed because of idoien and metal cleanses, maybe metylation was off and it made it impossible for me to detox?

Glad to hear it is helping you. It is sad that this society is constantly poisoning us and the solutions are rarely obvious. One link, and this is a tendency rather than a direct link, is that a form of social response, how we feel is greatly influenced by our ability to properly detoxify, a more extreme example is autism, and there are many degrees of this...for example, Parkinson's and other mitochondrial or iron overload disorders have a similar pathology. Gut integrity, problems with phase II detoxification, etc. So yes, Methylation is important to get right if it's not.

ghai018 wrote:Hey sanderson,

Can you post exactly what are you taking?

Cheers.

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle

Methylcobalamin 1 mg sublingually
Methyltetrahydrofolate 800mcg (ActiFolate)
Pyridoxal-5-phosphate 100mgs (50mgs twice daily)
Glutathione 250mgs daily
Phosphatidyl Serine 200mgs (100mgs twice daily) - BioCare

in addition.. mercola krill oil and glutamine every night before i goto sleep.

although i know scalp inflammation is gone.. i can't be sure if my hair loss is actually slowed down which i should definietely mention... my hair was buzzed all the way down and the hairs are very small and difficult to tell. i'd say it's probably a step in the right direction for me since i felt inflammation all the damn time plus the noticeable improvements in mood and other things. my sweat glands are actually working again also.. who knows the connection here.

but i'm pretty much going to go all organic from here on out, stick to the protocol on that website, he has other parts of the site as well that he mentions to do, like adding in coq10 i believe and a few others like vit c. i had inflammaton with vit c, so i'm going to wait until i'm on the protocol for a month or two before i start adding in the other necessary factors.. i want to make sure the methylation is fucntioning at top abilities.

I guess a solid question to ask - how do you know if you have Methylation issues? Lots of those symptoms are pretty common.

That's a solid regimen. I'll tell you what, I used phosphatidylserine for about 2 months. I've never founda product that made me feel calmer and more at ease. Easily the best stress-fighting supplement I've ever found.

ghai018 wrote:I guess a solid question to ask - how do you know if you have Methylation issues? Lots of those symptoms are pretty common.

did you ever take finasteride? i noticed on the first page of this thread, you said that you also had hair issues with vit c and the heavy metal chelating agents. i had the exact same thing. CS just mentioned that if immune boost 77 caused hair loss, it's possible that it's could be short term or it's a methylation issue. i all ready heard of methylation through propeciahelp website due to my post fin side effects so i knew right away that it had to play an important part in my whole overall body condition.

there's no tests that can detect it as having a problem because they are not accurate according to that website.. not sure if anything has changed more recently. you could always email the guy also if you have more indepth questions after researching it more, his email is on that website. not sure if he will respond though i didnt try.

That's a solid regimen. I'll tell you what, I used phosphatidylserine for about 2 months. I've never founda product that made me feel calmer and more at ease. Easily the best stress-fighting supplement I've ever found.

that's pretty interesting. it was definitely interesting to read all the iherb reviews for each of them also because they all seemed to have unique benefits.

were you taking this specifically for the calming effect or for another reason?

Glad to hear it is helping you. It is sad that this society is constantly poisoning us and the solutions are rarely obvious. One link, and this is a tendency rather than a direct link, is that a form of social response, how we feel is greatly influenced by our ability to properly detoxify, a more extreme example is autism, and there are many degrees of this...for example, Parkinson's and other mitochondrial or iron overload disorders have a similar pathology. Gut integrity, problems with phase II detoxification, etc. So yes, Methylation is important to get right if it's not.

Yeah it's really, REALLY sad and disturbing at the same time. This is going to be one of those things (hopefully) 500 years from now, people will look back and read how screwed up the medical system was. with the rise of the internet, at least a lot of this is breaking into the main stream. people like mercola are really getting a lot of people on board.