MASSIVE shed from heavy metal chelation, good or not?

everytime i take immune boost 77 or the complete metal cleanse as recommended by healthy fixx I go through a MASSIVE shed. Like right now.. my hair is shedding so bad. I can run my hands through my head and I will get like 30 hairs. I know it's caused by the metal cleanse because only when I am taking it does it happen. So is this good or bad?

Has anyone been through this shed and gotten over it? I want to hear from someone or from someone that knows someone that has been through this and can offer guidance.. not people who think it's detox and maybe something will help, I mean, I'm going to be bald in like a month taht is how bad it is getting... but it's like, who knows what is actually happening here.

When I take salt, VIT C, selenium, or iodine, my hair loss ACCELERATES also. everything that is good is accelerating it hardcore.

i was on propecia and had bad side effects... I think it's my body being fixed from the side effects because I have actually been better lately, better sleeping energy etc. But now maybe my body is functioning the way it was before... which means, my DHT is being reactivated in a much stronger way because of propecia!!! So my body is workign better sexually, but my hair is falling out way faster.

What should I do?

Interesting. When i was at HM detox regimen, i did notice some red skin rushes which dissapeared in a few weeks. I had placed them on my chicks and on my hairline. Meanwhile i felt good, but still didn't like output i've got. My shedding was not increased but still present. Shedding is never good if it doesnt follow the new born hair after, that's nobody can really tell what's is going on until time tells. Dont making a straight connection, but it's possible shedding can be result of inflammation caused by detox symptoms, but from i've read about it's not very commmon or expected. Puting ACV, coconut, emu oil topicaly might help as well as grape seed extract, salt water. Topical iodine might also help, but go slow with it - not every day to apply!
If you are feeling ok and energetic, maybe you can handle it more. You also need plenty of sun, fresh air also do something for your blood circulation, and less of dirty electrical/pathogenic exposure including mold.

But please, talk with more details with someone who has more experiences and doesnt speculate as i do now. At first your regimen should be revised. Beside immune boost 77 what are you currently taking?

Beebrox wrote:Interesting. When i was at HM detox regimen, i did notice some red skin rushes which dissapeared in a few weeks. I had placed them on my chicks and on my hairline. Meanwhile i felt good, but still didn't like output i've got. My shedding was not increased but still present. Shedding is never good if it doesnt follow the new born hair after, that's nobody can really tell what's is going on until time tells. Dont making a straight connection, but it's possible shedding can be result of inflammation caused by detox symptoms, but from i've read about it's not very commmon or expected. Puting ACV, coconut, emu oil topicaly might help as well as grape seed extract, salt water. Topical iodine might also help, but go slow with it - not every day to apply!
If you are feeling ok and energetic, maybe you can handle it more. You also need plenty of sun, fresh air also do something for your blood circulation, and less of dirty electrical/pathogenic exposure including mold.

But please, talk with more details with someone who has more experiences and doesnt speculate as i do now. At first your regimen should be revised. Beside immune boost 77 what are you currently taking?

the complete metal cleanse and immune boost 77. im also taking cayenne pepper & glutamine for internal bleeding issues. i know cayenne is not good for hair, that could be it. besides that, just nothing. just followign a healthy diet, i eat a lot of fruit and either steak or fish for protein. i think im going to stop taking the immune boost 77 and work on my digestion for now, i am shedding way too bad.. i just got out the shower and when i shampoo I HAVE SO MANY HAIRS IN MY HAND, wow.

dude, when i put iodine on my hair, it does the same thing.. I get MASSIVE MASSIVE shed from it. lol. what the hell man? same thing with ACV. i have some emu oil i might stick with. i just got out of the shower and i feel like i almost smell like iodine right now lol, maybe im detoxing iodine or something.

another thing.. my heart rate is between 55-60 BPM and i dont really exercise so maybe this is something bad? what if my health is getting really bad from all this lol? i'm going to start using calorie counter on about to track to make sure i'm getting everything.. i don't think i'm eating enough tbh. i'm like way skinny. i dont really care about carbs, but all the other random things may concern me. although i know i get enough protien.

can anyone comment on how to have a successful transition from finasteride to natural solutions as i'm pretty sure this is what the main problem is here.

3 things you mentioned;

Heavy Metal Cleanse
Immune Boost 77
Vitamin C

Each one of those, taken seperately, together or whatever, make my hairs miniturize and shed like a mofo. Only started HMC a few days ago, but it has exact same impact as Immune Boost 77.

ghai018 wrote:3 things you mentioned;

Heavy Metal Cleanse
Immune Boost 77
Vitamin C

Each one of those, taken seperately, together or whatever, make my hairs miniturize and shed like a mofo. Only started HMC a few days ago, but it has exact same impact as Immune Boost 77.

someone with the same problem!!! at least i'm not alone, why havent you figured this out yet man?? lol nah jp. dam that's interesting, have you ever taken finasteride?

also, forgot to mention above.. my liver enzymes are THROUGH THE ROOF 2-3 times the levels they should be.. maybe that is saying something..

I think it hurts the digestive system... leading to IBS/IBS-c for a day or so, causing super hair fall in the meantime.

ghai018 wrote:
Vitamin C
Each one of those, taken seperately, together or whatever, make my hairs miniturize and shed like a mofo. Only started HMC a few days ago, but it has exact same impact as Immune Boost 77.

Vit C made your hair miniaturize?

For me personally, yep, causes super shedding. (Pureway-C)

ghai018 wrote:For me personally, yep, causes super shedding. (Pureway-C)

do you have other things that work well for you? the same thing happens to me with the same vit C, I will literally feel the hairs one by one dieing in my head.

suprisingly though, i do feel way better after doing all the immune boost and the other thing... maybe it is a good thing, but my hair doesnt look beter that is for sure.

After some period of heavy metal cleansing some years back was followed by a period of shedding--quite a bit of it.
I still do all of this and there is no problem. I have not had any shedding for years now.

Do you take any B-vitamins?

CausticSymmetry wrote:After some period of heavy metal cleansing some years back was followed by a period of shedding--quite a bit of it.
I still do all of this and there is no problem. I have not had any shedding for years now.

Do you take any B-vitamins?

i take no B vitamins at all. should I be doing this?

how did you get over the shed, did you just keep going through with it?

like i said.. i feel great, but hair is bad.

ghai018 wrote:For me personally, yep, causes super shedding. (Pureway-C)

So it causes a shed not miniaturization? miniaturization is what happens to people with mpb, i seriously doubt Vit c would speed up mpb.

Maybe I'm using the term wrong... but when a hair gets really really thin and then falls out, sometimes with a bulb on the end. Unless I'm taking one of those supps, I get shed, but it's regular thicker hairs. These hairs are super super thin.

There are two possibilities that come to mind. (1) it can be a short term situation (shedding can be a positive or negative indicator) and only time will answer that. (2) I would incorporate a good B-complex supplement to ensure that it is not a methylation problem.

Incidentally, a methylation problem is not unusual in MPB (we've talked about this on the forums many times in the past).
For me personally, I have strived to include any nutrient possible so that something potentially simple is not undermining the goal.

It is important to note that methylation problems or defects will undermine the ability to detox from metal chelation. In other words, in order to properly detox, one will need the ability to produce all the enzymes in the chain in the glutathione system. Otherwise, toxins will not be purged.

Methylation is important, because is will positively alter gene function in an epigenetic fashion (above genes). Methylation itself means adding or subtracting a methyl group on a gene.

If there is a defect in methylation and a common one is a methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase, which means that a standard folic acid supplement will not work. Folic acid is not even real, it's a synthetic form of folate.

To cover the basis on the potential B-vitamin problem, would suggest taking either brewer's yeast or this supplement below.

B-Complex #12

CausticSymmetry wrote:There are two possibilities that come to mind. (1) it can be a short term situation (shedding can be a positive or negative indicator) and only time will answer that. (2) I would incorporate a good B-complex supplement to ensure that it is not a methylation problem.

Incidentally, a methylation problem is not unusual in MPB (we've talked about this on the forums many times in the past).
For me personally, I have strived to include any nutrient possible so that something potentially simple is not undermining the goal.

It is important to note that methylation problems or defects will undermine the ability to detox from metal chelation. In other words, in order to properly detox, one will need the ability to produce all the enzymes in the chain in the glutathione system. Otherwise, toxins will not be purged.

Methylation is important, because is will positively alter gene function in an epigenetic fashion (above genes). Methylation itself means adding or subtracting a methyl group on a gene.

If there is a defect in methylation and a common one is a methylenetetrahydrofolate reductase, which means that a standard folic acid supplement will not work. Folic acid is not even real, it's a synthetic form of folate.

To cover the basis on the potential B-vitamin problem, would suggest taking either brewer's yeast or this supplement below.

B-Complex #12

CS, you are a genius. seriously man, i would be so lost without this forum and without this inisght. i think you hit the nail on the head with methylation. in fact, i think you just have figured out why i have all these symptoms of finasteride issues.

there is another guy on the propecia help forums that is like you, deep in research and science, but he doesnt take the natural approach, but still very knowledgable. he has found that methylation has been a primary trigger of his condition of side effects to propecia or not going away or staying. he's trying all kinds of research into why this is happening, but he said he did some clincal trials on himself uisng i have no idea what, but managed to get way better after his methylation improved.

i have also seen a test on the prophelp forum of someone who got this full diagnostic test to find that he had very high free radicals in his body, as if his body couldn't detox. on top of that, another person got a colonic and had a full propecia side effect recovery for a few days as if that detox helped him out.

wow, CS, i think this is really what the problem could be, the detox channels are not working. i nkow in another thread you gave me recommendations for gluthione enhancement that i will buy, along with this vitamin B and i will search the forum for more of this information.

thank you man, really thank you.

does anyone know if methylation would be impacted by any poor aspect of digestion? i have some serious digestion issues happening, more recently i am noticing undigested food in my stool, ive had blood there, its been green, random shapes, white things in there, foul smell.

i'm taking probiotics, digestive enzymes, and recently added in ACV for stomach acid purposes since i can't put in actual stomach acid pills because i have the internal bleeding issue happening. im taking cayenne and gluatmine to combat internal bleeding then would like to add in real stomach acid.

sanderson wrote:does anyone know if methylation would be impacted by any poor aspect of digestion? i have some serious digestion issues happening, more recently i am noticing undigested food in my stool, ive had blood there, its been green, random shapes, white things in there, foul smell.

i'm taking probiotics, digestive enzymes, and recently added in ACV for stomach acid purposes since i can't put in actual stomach acid pills because i have the internal bleeding issue happening. im taking cayenne and gluatmine to combat internal bleeding then would like to add in real stomach acid.

It's unfortunate that you have a bleeding problem, since a Betaine HCL might really help you. I noticed that you are taking Cayenne. As strange as this sounds (I found this out the hard way and through research) that taking an appreciable amount of cayenne will stimulate hair loss and shedding--so something to consider also.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

sanderson wrote:does anyone know if methylation would be impacted by any poor aspect of digestion? i have some serious digestion issues happening, more recently i am noticing undigested food in my stool, ive had blood there, its been green, random shapes, white things in there, foul smell.

i'm taking probiotics, digestive enzymes, and recently added in ACV for stomach acid purposes since i can't put in actual stomach acid pills because i have the internal bleeding issue happening. im taking cayenne and gluatmine to combat internal bleeding then would like to add in real stomach acid.

It's unfortunate that you have a bleeding problem, since a Betaine HCL might really help you. I noticed that you are taking Cayenne. As strange as this sounds (I found this out the hard way and through research) that taking an appreciable amount of cayenne will stimulate hair loss and shedding--so something to consider also.

Yes, I agree with you on that. I definetly feel the increased inflammation after taking it and I have read many of your posts on it on this forum. Unfortunately, I don't know how else to combat it, so I'm trying to use as much as I can as quickly as I can to knock out the internal bleeding as fast as I can.

Sanderson,

I read an article by Ray Peat a while back where he mentioned that eating gelatin is very good for internal bleeding. It might be worth your while to pick up some Great Lakes gelatin and eat 2 - 4 tablespoons of that a day and see if that helps you. I have been eating it for a while now, it mixes easily in juice, broth, pretty much any food and it is unflavored. I don't have any internal bleeding that I am aware of, but I have noticed that my joints and lower back have felt great since eating it over the last several months.

I hope this helps,
Troy

Sanderson,

Poor digestion and poor gut flora are going to interfere with methylation. Not only does inflammation steal methyl donors due to the repair process, but proper gut flora are essential for B-vitamins. Get on a protocol to fix leaky gut (n-acetyl glucosamine, MSM, whey protein, glutamine, colostrum, gelatin) and several different strains of probiotics. Try to figure out if there are any foods that are troubling you also. The obvious ones would be wheat and dairy, but others like nightshade vegetables, eggs, corn, nuts, coffee can all be problems. Stay really conscious of the makeup of your meals and listen to your body afterward. There is no reason why you should ever feel worse after eating, and if you do, then I'd examine what food might be causing it. Trying an elimination diet never hurt anybody. But I say this, because food sensitivities, especially if you are mold sensitive, are going to undermine anything you are doing. Methylation is really going to be important for a metal detox, as CS already pointed out, because glutathione conjugates are the main way for expelling metals. Several plat antioxidant chemicals can boost our natural glutathione levels, like EGCG from green tea. Its the idea of the slow burn effect, with a little bit of inflammation from the plant chemical causing the body to bolster anitoxidant defenses. Also, you need to be getting good sources of sulfur (onions, MSM, garlic) and bonded cysteine (either NAC or an undenatured whey).

Anyone else with any experiences on the Immune Boost 77? I just ordered this a couple days ago, and definitely not trying to go through a shed, although I have never shed from any of the supplements I take, they generally seem to help, including iodine.
I also have a very clean diet, and pure water source (zero metals or anything in it), maybe the detox reactions are worse if your diet and intake of metals is still bad, could be something like trying to slow down a car with your foot rested on the brake and the gas?
OP do you take anything for inflammation like omega3's fish oil, curcumin/resveratrol etc? Anti inflammatories have been crucial for me so far in preventing further shed. I do feel that the whole key to fixing the endocrine system and the body and mpb lays in detoxifying and slowly remineralizing the body.

J987 wrote:Anyone else with any experiences on the Immune Boost 77? I just ordered this a couple days ago, and definitely not trying to go through a shed, although I have never shed from any of the supplements I take, they generally seem to help, including iodine.
I also have a very clean diet, and pure water source (zero metals or anything in it), maybe the detox reactions are worse if your diet and intake of metals is still bad, could be something like trying to slow down a car with your foot rested on the brake and the gas?
OP do you take anything for inflammation like omega3's fish oil, curcumin/resveratrol etc? Anti inflammatories have been crucial for me so far in preventing further shed. I do feel that the whole key to fixing the endocrine system and the body and mpb lays in detoxifying and slowly remineralizing the body.

Wouldn't panic, unless you have poor digestion. anthonyspencer54 summed it up exactly.

tcpratt wrote:Sanderson,

I read an article by Ray Peat a while back where he mentioned that eating gelatin is very good for internal bleeding. It might be worth your while to pick up some Great Lakes gelatin and eat 2 - 4 tablespoons of that a day and see if that helps you. I have been eating it for a while now, it mixes easily in juice, broth, pretty much any food and it is unflavored. I don't have any internal bleeding that I am aware of, but I have noticed that my joints and lower back have felt great since eating it over the last several months.

I hope this helps,
Troy

Thank you Troy. I looked up more info on this and this looks like something i could REALLY benefit from, not just for internal bleeding purposes. I have had sleep issues in the past and I know others on the propecia forums have issues with JOINTS, maybe this is really an important key, this is a definite buy for me. Thank you!!!

Sanderson,

Poor digestion and poor gut flora are going to interfere with methylation. Not only does inflammation steal methyl donors due to the repair process, but proper gut flora are essential for B-vitamins. Get on a protocol to fix leaky gut (n-acetyl glucosamine, MSM, whey protein, glutamine, colostrum, gelatin) and several different strains of probiotics. Try to figure out if there are any foods that are troubling you also. The obvious ones would be wheat and dairy, but others like nightshade vegetables, eggs, corn, nuts, coffee can all be problems. Stay really conscious of the makeup of your meals and listen to your body afterward. There is no reason why you should ever feel worse after eating, and if you do, then I'd examine what food might be causing it. Trying an elimination diet never hurt anybody. But I say this, because food sensitivities, especially if you are mold sensitive, are going to undermine anything you are doing. Methylation is really going to be important for a metal detox, as CS already pointed out, because glutathione conjugates are the main way for expelling metals. Several plat antioxidant chemicals can boost our natural glutathione levels, like EGCG from green tea. Its the idea of the slow burn effect, with a little bit of inflammation from the plant chemical causing the body to bolster anitoxidant defenses. Also, you need to be getting good sources of sulfur (onions, MSM, garlic) and bonded cysteine (either NAC or an undenatured whey).

Wow, man thank you so much for this in depth information. I'm going to get everything you recommended here for leaky gut. I just can't do whey protein because an IgG food anti body test and it said that I can't do any dairy at all. But everything else I will look into and investigate. Thank you very much for this information. with this plus what CS said, I really think I can take this on now.. I'm feeling much more confident and happy about my fight now that I have a better idea of what is happening.

OP do you take anything for inflammation like omega3's fish oil, curcumin/resveratrol etc? Anti inflammatories have been crucial for me so far in preventing further shed. I do feel that the whole key to fixing the endocrine system and the body and mpb lays in detoxifying and slowly remineralizing the body.

I dropped all supplments, I have curcumin/resveratrol, but I thought it may have been causing me scalp itch. Plus with my random problems, I didn't knwo what it was doing. I do DHA occasionaly, but I try to eat salmon a few times a week. I think I will buy some krill oil though.

I agree with you on teh inflammation part, I know inflammation is running rampant in my body... curbing it is definitely a challenge that is for sure. Damn propecia screwed me up!

No problem, Sanderson. Good luck to you. I too am planning on doing a pretty comprehensive gut healing program coming up soon. But I'm also trying to incorporate a chelation/anti-biolfilm protocol in with it as well. I've never attempted it before so I am not sure what to expect but I think I am taking it as carefully as possible. If I shed, I shed. One of the big problems with why people don't get results with things like anti-biofilm and gut healing is because they stop too early. I would say six months of supplementation and proper diet is what it would take to start getting there. Too many stop after doing 1-3 months and it just isn't enough time.

I've learned a lot from CS, AR, JDP, Littlefighter, Mastery and Prague, or from research they spurred me onto. Its why this forum is great. I would definitely go back over all of the posts from these guys and others. There's a wealth of information especially pertinent to gut health, flora and endotoxin that has helped me immensely.