Re: Papillapower - potential hair growth regimen, general discussion (renamed thread)

[Zaphod]

It always make me wonder, what's the CS opinion on self promotion and marketing on his forum, while he provides so much valuable information and his time for FREE! What i learned the most from this thread is how bunch of people having ego fights about who's less wrong, doing it the all same. Shame for the method which has unknown potential because is unrevealed...

Mr. Pappilla, congrats for personal growth you showed anyway. It's something you had to do, to get your probably successful trials. But you showed nothing valuable for FREE. So my time was probably wasted here anyway. Hope somebody reads this post before he decides to read the whole topic which is BTW looking very promising...

Wish you a happy regrowth year!

[CausticSymmetry]

It always make me wonder, what's the CS opinion on self promotion and marketing on his forum, while he provides so much valuable information and his time for FREE! What i learned the most from this thread is how bunch of people having ego fights about who's less wrong, doing it the all same. Shame for the method which has unknown potential because is unrevealed...

Mr. Pappilla, congrats for personal growth you showed anyway. It's something you had to do, to get your probably successful trials. But you showed nothing valuable for FREE. So my time was probably wasted here anyway. Hope somebody reads this post before he decides to read the whole topic which is BTW looking very promising...

Wish you a happy regrowth year!

I'm in conflict about it, since this forum was started with the idea of free exchange of ideas, also uncensored. It would be nice if this "secret" method were revealed, since that is what this forum is for.

[duel_black]

I'm in conflict about it, since this forum was started with the idea of free exchange of ideas, also uncensored. It would be nice if this "secret" method were revealed, since that is what this forum is for.

I can see that. And there is a lot of good free data here. In a similar way I am conflicted about sharing data I paid for, in a certain context. For example I could care less if I bought music then shared a copy of it. However, take the Maliniak Method: I did pay for that. Most of that data has already been shared here. However, if it was was not already shared here I would feel conflicted about sharing that for free in a public forum. I guess eventually I expect that data to be out for free. But I feel conflicted about doing it early on. Like that is the thanks I am giving Maliniak for selling me valuable data for 30 bucks ? .Especially in a marketspace littered with lies which tell us we MUST use hard drugs or get expensive transplants to get this issue handled. That there is no other choice. Psh...

There are obvious competitive conflicts on this board as well. For example, if Papi ends up coming in much lower than a laser helmet (complemented with enough testimonials and before/after picks) well then there goes that...

From my perception, ultimately this marketspace could easily resemble the issues with alternative energy: Unlimited supply, which turn outs to yield very little profit from a business standpoint, thanks to good free or cheap data. Papi's data will eventually be free whether Papi wants it to be or not. That is one problem with selling data. However, I don't mind paying a relatively small fee to get accurate data straight from the source early on, in this marketspace.

I originally offered to pay Papi (depending on the price) since I was a few months late to the trial, as I could tell from this thread that his stuff would be complementary to Maliniak and Tom Hagerty. Papi just let me in. And since I am starting to see results I wanted to post about it after the beating given on this thread. I am not saying I have my hair from 17 years ago. But I am certainly excited enought to keep going as I DO have new small patches growing on both sides near the front, that are real hair (not vellus). We'll see what's up in a few more months.

[abc123]

There's nothing wrong with anyone selling anything. It's the fact that he self promotes in an obnoxious way but doesn't even sell his product. If he sold it as an ebook for $10 I'd probably buy it.

[Mastery]

Maybe it does work then, although I'm also with ABC and IH on this - in the sense that in re-reading so many of the posts early on it was a poor way of going about things. Still he was man enough to apologize.

If it works, those who are doing it - please share your results!

Especially people we know and trust - A>R - did you do it? Any benefit?

[duel_black]

Maybe it does work then, although I'm also with ABC and IH on this - in the sense that in re-reading so many of the posts early on it was a poor way of going about things. Still he was man enough to apologize.

I agree here, and understand abc123's perspective as well. I finally got interested in this thread (and data) when it started becoming a healthly dialog; comparing and contrasting with laser helmets and such (And perhap's Papi's data can complement laser helmets. Maybe it doens't have to be either/or. I felt inaccurate after I implied the opposite in the previous post).

I feel lucky on both fronts: I feel I can weed out a spammer/scammer. And, I also feel I can weed about those so whom are negative, jaded and cynical, that the closed mindedness is a hinderance to their growth and followers. Based on my experience with Tom Hagerty and Maliniak, and the Laser Helmet contrast/compare, it felt like it was wise for me to ignore the cynics in this thread. So far that looks to have been a good move.

[hapyman]

Just playing devils advocate here but due to your regiment and the time frame you had started things, one would not be able to attribute your results to just the PP method. If you are like me you don't care because you are getting results but as someone looking in from the outside I could see this dilemma. One would, theoretically, have to reproduce everything you are doing to get the same results. From what I know of the Maliniak Method, which involves a violet ray wand, your results could be attributed to the use of that. Of course the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and each treatment you are using probably helps or compliments the other.

On a different note I wouldn't give up on resveratrol or curcumin even if my hairloss stopped/reversed. There are too many other benefits to taking them, including anti-aging properties.

[duel_black]

Just playing devils advocate here but due to your regiment and the time frame you had started things, one would not be able to attribute your results to just the PP method. If you are like me you don't care because you are getting results but as someone looking in from the outside I could see this dilemma. One would, theoretically, have to reproduce everything you are doing to get the same results. From what I know of the Maliniak Method, which involves a violet ray wand, your results could be attributed to the use of that. Of course the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle and each treatment you are using probably helps or compliments the other.

Hey hapyman -

I wholeheartedly agree. It could easily be argued that the supplements are kicking in a year later. That is one reason I posted everything I am doing in this thread. I know when I found this place a year ago I wanted to replicate every single thing thenatural did. Now that is no longer tha case. I feel like I am in a place where some may want to replicate what I am doing.

I am not going to stop maliniak. I do both that and papi every day. Quit Shampoo. And I still take k2, d3, vit c and the cheap kelp thyroid tablets daily. One additional thing I also started doing - I didn't even think of the importance of posting this until this morning: Every morning for the last month, I've restarted doing that yoga headstand pose daily. I do this after a breakfast of raw cacoa beans and goji berries. I just restarted it for neck strength and stress from work. But I do remember the yoga teacher who taught it to me twelve years ago saying: "Do this daily and you'll never go bald."

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i.istockimg.com/file_thumbview_approve/5736980/2/stock-photo-5736980-yoga-headstand-pose.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-5736980-yoga-headstand-pose.php&h=380&w=253&sz=15&tbnid=37NwOxiwtRsDIM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=60&zoom=1&docid=piDGr12TjG-wcM&sa=X&ei=aBIGT5mUDajZiALGy-FP&ved=0CGoQ9QEwCg&dur=123

However, I will say this: Based on time required, bang (bloodflow) for the method, and cost, If I was forced to drop all but one (which would be silly), I would keep Papi's method and drop the others.

For the resveratrol I've been having wine a couple times a week. And I think both are good. I just haven't reordered for a while.

[Glacier]

This thread is a waste.

[Zeke]

A 36 page advertisement.

[papillapower]

Don't think that this thread is a waste of time. They are growing new hair
and it didn't cost them a dime and, I've received no financial compensation whatsoever
for the time I've spent here, let alone for the abuse that I've had to put up with.

If the IH moderators think or feel at any time, that my input isn't worthy of this forum,
then by all means, delete the thread and block my access. I won't be offended.

My inbox is full of guys that are more happy to pay for the knowledge, experience and
expertise that I possess, with regards to new hair growth, simply because they know the
alternatives are going to cost far more money in the long run anyway.

[gbp2000]

I'd like to just say, that I can vouch that Papilla's method does do something.

In fact, it's grown more hair than IH6 (I actually believe that retargeted a slightly different supplement combo could supercharge PPs method - but that is for someone else to figure it out).

It hasn't grown enough hair for me yet to be cosmetically worth it, but I can unequivocally state that this method does grow hair. Right now, for me, these new hairs grow and shed in what has become a regular cycle since starting the method.

It takes work, and a lot of time, but I intend to stick with this method for another six months.

If any of the people moaning here took the time to read some of my posts they would certainly have a direction to go in.

Also, the fact is, PP has not charged anyone for this information - it is his choice, and a legitimate choice, to charge at a later point. Frankly, if this information was free, most people would dismiss it anyway.

My hairloss is quite advanced - I'm not sure if anything can turn around my hair or get it back to any degree. However, I do know that this method has proven far superior to Zix, detoxification and any form of supplements or health improvements.

I have strong feelings on how this method could be improved, both through action and supplementation - but I refuse to try anything until I have gotten the best out of the standard method.

In terms of questions - no - I won't be answering any. I've actually provided a LOT of information, research and reference for people in this thread - and nobody decided to run with it.

If I were to recommend anyone else's methods I would STRONGLY recommend looking at Mastery's threads...

[pancacke]

Also, the fact is, PP has not charged anyone for this information - it is his choice, and a legitimate choice, to charge at a later point. Frankly, if this information was free, most people would dismiss it anyway.

Sounds like he is making money to me.....

My inbox is full of guys that are more happy to pay for the knowledge, experience and
expertise that I possess, with regards to new hair growth, simply because they know the
alternatives are going to cost far more money in the long run anyway.

[papillapower]

You'd see that I said that ""my Inbox is full of guys that are more than happy
to pay for my knowledge, experience and expertise that I possess with regards to new hair growth".

Nowhere, and at no time did I say that I charged any money.

However, that's not to say that I won't in the future. If and when that time does come,
rest assured, it won't be on the IH forum and it will be more cost-effective than any other
hair growth method available.

Also, the fact is, PP has not charged anyone for this information - it is his choice, and a legitimate choice, to charge at a later point. Frankly, if this information was free, most people would dismiss it anyway.

Sounds like he is making money to me.....

My inbox is full of guys that are more happy to pay for the knowledge, experience and
expertise that I possess, with regards to new hair growth, simply because they know the
alternatives are going to cost far more money in the long run anyway.

[pancacke]

If and when that time does come, rest assured, it won't be on the IH forum and it will be more cost-effective than any other hair growth method available.

If so you can ask a moderator to close this thread.....other than promotion for a product that isn't available there is nothing to see here.

[Zeke]

I'd be willing to pony up a few bucks just to see Pee Pee go away.

[papillapower]

I'd be willing to pony up a few bucks just to see Pee Pee go away.

I'll be happy to ride off into the sunset, with a few of your bucks in my pocket.
I'll even throw in a copy of Papilla Power and the Follicle Fallacy for you.

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