Questions for Prague, TK, CS

Hey guys, I'm asking you three as you all seem to have achieved definitive regrowth even though through different methods. Is scalp elasticity a necessary target that, if achieved, will signify regrowth is likely to occur? (I mean the ability to pinch a fold of skin between the fingers the way you can elsewhere)

Prague and TK - do you find that the enzyme topical has removed the fibrosis/scar tissue/calcification that has hardened the MPB scalp and it is now as supple as the sides (or getting that way)? CS (awesome site, by the way) - how about you?

Mine is like an iron lid - I am assuming this is common for MPB sufferers (but pls correct me, everyone, if I am wrong).

Also, TK and Prague, after hearing about your successes, I have been reading through your postings and trying to ascertain what treatments you have in common to hopefully find the most direct method... (Again, pls correct if wrong.)

Obviously, you both have been using the enzyme topical with HA. It seems you both are on a non-gluten diet (along with low dairy, corn, sugar, etc.) You have both used iodine extensively (but Prague, this seems a more recent thing -- was it after the big regrowth?). Also, Prague seems to have focussed on minerals (potassium, magnesium, etc. through ACV, clay, etc.) and the more recent germanium/indium/boron, while TK has concentrated on various topical mixtures (and supplements, I am assuming). Are you both using CS's top 6?

And so are the common factors only the enzymes and diet?

Also, TK, I read a post of yours saying that you have a tingling sensation when you apply your mix. Is this sensation on your scalp or just on your face (I think you are applying to face and neck also, right?)

Please chime in anyone else who has any input on my questions.

Hi Hank,

Hard to say if the topicals have completely removed the fibrosis and calcification but my scalp is definitely much more pliable and soft. I think this is an essential goal in regrowing hair.

I definitely take numerous supplements as advised by CS , JDP, Prague, etc - read and implement everything these guys say!

I think mineral status is also essential in regrowth- Iodine has been a godsend to me! I could go on and on about it- it kills candida, converts estrogens into their weakest form , detoxifies heavy metals , etc. I also take numerous other minerals following pragues posts.

My hair continues to thicken. My hairline is returning toward a pre balding state- if these short black hairs would just grow faster I would have a hairline that I have not seen in a decade!


With regard to the tingling- bromelain definetly can sting - especially the face whereas the serrapeptase doesnt have any sensation( Im not sure that "tingling" is essential)

Keep in mind that gains have been slow but steady- particularly after I detoxed from bromide etc - so be consistent and patient.

And again trust CS and JDP!

Hank - Welcome to the forum!

I haven't tried the enzyme topical. I've always been strictly on an internal regimen, since I have found that I'm not consistent with taking topicals.

It's really comforting though that according to both TK's and Prague's testimonials ,the 30 month window is completely bogus.Follicles seem to remain dormant waiting for the awakening trigger .It's just a matter of achieving the internal absolute balance ,a holygrail for most of us .
Since that goal is quite difficult to accomplish ,regrowth comes seldom and in very few "lucky" guys.The rest of us usually attribute our failure to that 30 month window.
IH I know your view on this matter but judging by your pics you seem to have re-grown hair past that limiting time frame also.

Hank

i've deatiled everything i used in the thread you've apparently read carefuly

iodine is a must i'd say when treating MPB - but i'd favor organic iodine to KI. I've emailed with a guy who knows what he's talking about and he warned against potassium iodide. He explained a mechanism of its action and it's different to organic iodine and can have some negative effect in certain (most) cases. What i remember is that KI is a byproduct of iodine metabolism (which have some positive impact on your body) but it also singanls to your body that you have high levels of iodine (as it is its byproduct) and can have an adverse effect on you (including your thyroid) - check the thread Iodine shed. In case you go organic iodine your body can easily decide the ration it needs.

i was not posting about iodine since i've never used lugol's but was eating algues that are the best source of Iodine IMO - i eat about 50-100g of kombu per week which is cca 10-60 mg of iodine, an extremely high iodine intake. Plus i use unprocessed sea salt that i mixed with dried dulse algue - a pinch o this salt covers the iodine requirements. I put in on my plates but i also drink it sometimes - i share the idea that a good salt choice can have an impact on MPB a possiby cure it.

Prague wrote:Hank

i've deatiled everything i used in the thread you've apparently read carefuly

iodine is a must i'd say when treating MPB - but i'd favor organic iodine to KI. I've emailed with a guy who knows what he's talking about and he warned against potassium iodide. He explained a mechanism of its action and it's different to organic iodine and can have some negative effect in certain (most) cases. What i remember is that KI is a byproduct of iodine metabolism (which have some positive impact on your body) but it also singanls to your body that you have high levels of iodine (as it is its byproduct) and can have an adverse effect on you (including your thyroid) - check the thread Iodine shed. In case you go organic iodine your body can easily decide the ration it needs.

i was not posting about iodine since i've never used lugol's but was eating algues that are the best source of Iodine IMO - i eat about 50-100g of kombu per week which is cca 10-60 mg of iodine, an extremely high iodine intake. Plus i use unprocessed sea salt that i mixed with dried dulse algue - a pinch o this salt covers the iodine requirements. I put in on my plates but i also drink it sometimes - i share the idea that a good salt choice can have an impact on MPB a possiby cure it.

prague..i tried finding organic source of the above mentioned product
http://www.naturalimport.com/inc/sdetail/26010
http://www.naturalimport.com/shop_for_sea_salt?b=1
http://www.naturalimport.com/shop_for_kombu?b=1

please check if these are fine to start with?

redhead

i'm not a speciallist on algues - i ignore their mercury/arsenic content
i'm neither a speciallist on thyroid - i rely on the knowledge of others as most of us

i would say if you buy a pack of kombu (100g = cca 20-70mg of iodine) it should be enought for the loading
i'd advise you to buy a good salt (mine is unprocessed sea salt dried on clay field) and mix it in a salt grinder with dried dulse 1:1 and it should do the job in your iodine requirements

sea salt is IMO one of the most underestimated genaeralll cures - remember your skin during your teens when going to the sea?

so i ignore if lugol's might hlep - i think it might in certain cases - but i was warned against using it and rely on organic iodine and more i know less i'd use it

iodine however is not the only related mineral to thyroid function - the thyroid problematics seems to be very complex, btw the elements i use (the one you PMed me about) and some others play their role too for proper thyroid function

Prague - you mention potassium iodine. Do you know if Magnascent Iodine has added potassium ?
http://www.magnascent.com/index.htm

Prague wrote:redhead

i'm not a speciallist on algues - i ignore their mercury/arsenic content
i'm neither a speciallist on thyroid - i rely on the knowledge of others as most of us

i would say if you buy a pack of kombu (100g = cca 20-70mg of iodine) it should be enought for the loading
i'd advise you to buy a good salt (mine is unprocessed sea salt dried on clay field) and mix it in a salt grinder with dried dulse 1:1 and it should do the job in your iodine requirements

sea salt is IMO one of the most underestimated genaeralll cures - remember your skin during your teens when going to the sea?

so i ignore if lugol's might hlep - i think it might in certain cases - but i was warned against using it and rely on organic iodine and more i know less i'd use it

iodine however is not the only related mineral to thyroid function - the thyroid problematics seems to be very complex, btw the elements i use (the one you PMed me about) and some others play their role too for proper thyroid function

prague i have ordered that oligo element which i have disscussed..now waiting for it to be delivered

TK, what's your current regimen? (topical and internal)

Thanks

NrwgnKID wrote:Prague - you mention potassium iodine. Do you know if Magnascent Iodine has added potassium ?
http://www.magnascent.com/index.htm

have no idea Kid - it looks well to me. If i understand it well you need iodine that you body converts to iodide if needed. Their role is slightly different but high iodide levels signal you're high in iodine - which can turn you hypothyroid and i suppose that's what happened to some lugol's users here after the initial enthousiasm (europe). So in my opinion Lugol's might be good if you're iodine deficient but as soon as you stop being deficient it can make things worse.

I go natural (kombu). 5g of kombu will do it, the iodine content is very very high. I never understood why people swallow broccoli in a pill if you can eat it as a food. Same for iodine. Food is not neutraln as jdp said, food is a remedy (the safest one).

http://iodine4health.com/special/nutrients/salt/brownstein_salt.htm

Prague,

kombu has an iodine content of ~36mg in 100gr. I guess though is far more bio-available than your Lugol's so 100gr/week is probably enough.
Do you eat it raw out of the packet?
Or boil it in water?

Here is a great link showing the mineral and amino acid content of kombu and wakame:

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Gdl0lz2i1EQJ:www.ftb.com.hr/42-57.pdf+kombu+wakame+iodine&hl=en&gl=ca&sig=AHIEtbQCdTf-xrHRS6lli__GDOcvPoUEiw

Actually kombu has about 170 mg of iodine per 100g. I wonder about the high amount of glutamic acid based on what jdp has said about glutamic acid, but as far as iodine is concerned kombu appears to be the mother lode.

huli wrote:Actually kombu has about 170 mg of iodine per 100g. I wonder about the high amount of glutamic acid based on what jdp has said about glutamic acid, but as far as iodine is concerned kombu appears to be the mother lode.

huli,

The glutamic acid is fine in kombu. It's really only when it's fermented or processed is when it's a problem.

When found naturally in seaweed, mushrooms, tomatoes, etc. 99% of everyone will be fine.

Prague, CS, jdp, anyome..

Do anyone have a theory about how topical papain/bromelain works ? What is the physiology behind its effects ? Is it only through the break-up of fibrosis, or does it goo even deeper, like setting a stop to the inflammation, immune response or putting to silence androgen receptors etc youst throwing out thoughts.

I mean, it has to be something really potent considering the great regrowth people has had on it..

Methods for reducing calcium deposits
United States Patent 4250167

Abstract:
An inert calcium deposit located beneath the surface of the skin is reduced by application to the outside of the skin of a composition comprising dimethyl sulfoxide and papain, the enzyme found in papaya. The dimethyl sulfoxide transports the enzyme through the skin toward the location of the inert calcium, minutely dissolves the inert calcium and through the natural body circulatory processes removes the liquified calcium from the area and purges it from the body.
The dimethyl sulfoxide penetrates the body without disturbing normal body functions and the natural herbal enzyme papain then performs the function of dissolving inert calcium.

Also, CS posted this

Papain is an enzyme from Papaya and much like Bromelain from Pineapples it can inhibit TGF-beta and inhibiting collagen degrading enzymes.

JDP, Prague.. really helpful information here! Big thank you to all involved.

JDP - what topical do you currently recommend / are you using?

Prague - regarding iodine I think you are pretty much right on the money as usual.. this is off topic, but are you still having the same feeling you were before from your mineral supplementation (germanium, boron, molybdenum, indium) ?

Hey guys, thanks for the replies...


TK - sounds like things are going great for you. Congrats. I've been using iodine (though at lower doses to avoid the possibly hyperthyroidism that some might be getting - and not topically... yet) and minerals (brewer's yeast, mag, zinc).

Prague - thanks for the post. yeah, I've pored over your regime pretty exhaustively - it's just tough to tell WHEN certain elements were added. From your reply, though, it sounds like the iodine has been quite a solid part of your plan for a while now. Any comment about your scalp pliability?

CS - sorry if my post was a bit confusing; I know that you aren't on the enzyme topical, I was asking you to ascertain if you have achieved pliability with your method, thus indicating that it was an intermediate goal that could indicate one is on the correct path. One additional thing: I've noticed that you have posted a few times that most people with MPB are intolerant to gluten. Do you know if this would show up on an allergy test (as Icanbeaththis took) or should we just all assume that we are intolerant and act accordingly? (How strict are you about avoiding gluten?)

Project: JS,

I'm using an Iodine salve that I got off of curezone to hopefully get regrowth. Other than that, topicals that I use are used to prevent grey hair with LLLT, magnesium chloride and coconut oil.

As far as which topicals are best, I do very much believe that everyone should buy the supplies for all the topicals that are discussed on this forum and then choose which one works best for them as it becomes an individual preference. With that said, there is one universal problem that needs to be addressed and that's the bacteria, fungus, etc. but a lot of the topicals discussed on this forum also fight these ... although some a lot more than others.

Hank - Not all tests for gluten sensitivity are that reliable. Wheat causes a sustained elevation in glucose. If you noticed an inflammation the persists a day or two after a plate full of spaghetti, that's a good indication.

JDP - I think thats good advice, as usual. Thank you for your reply. I will have to do that next time I do a big order of supplements and start experimenting. Have you found anything that works best for gray hair? Ive just started to notice a few coming in here and there. Thanks