Re: Grow New Hair! (The original Papilla Power??)

zanza Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:04 pm

jkj86 wrote:
Zeke wrote:As posted on his website

1. For a $25.00 donation he will tell you which is better, nylon or cotton

2. For $50.00 he will give you the exact dimensions of said towel

3. For $75.00 he will explain the benefits of rubbing north and south as opposed to east and west

4. For $100.00 all of the above and if you ever visit Thailand he will personally rub one out for you

I will reveal the secret. It requires use of a hemp towel (sorry PP!). Now save your time and money for something else.

if this is true, PP can still make money marketing specific towels, instructions, guides etc...

wildman Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:21 pm

As of today, there are 1621 registered users on IH forum. Considering that the number of guests may double or say triple that amount, I have no idea, suppose there are between 5,000-10,000 people worldwide, checking out this forum at any given time, hypothetically speaking. Maybe it's more, who knows?

In contrast, there are around 40 million men in the US ALONE, suffering from Male Pattern Baldness. Considering a sizeable percentage of that number, in all likelihood, are actively searching for an all-natural solution, I don't think PP would have any problem at all making money with the right model. In my opinion, whether he does or he doesn't, I also don't believe it should be of any consequence to anyone in here, one way or the other.

zanza wrote:
jkj86 wrote:
Zeke wrote:As posted on his website

1. For a $25.00 donation he will tell you which is better, nylon or cotton

2. For $50.00 he will give you the exact dimensions of said towel

3. For $75.00 he will explain the benefits of rubbing north and south as opposed to east and west

4. For $100.00 all of the above and if you ever visit Thailand he will personally rub one out for you

I will reveal the secret. It requires use of a hemp towel (sorry PP!). Now save your time and money for something else.

if this is true, PP can still make money marketing specific towels, instructions, guides etc...

hellwig Fri Mar 30, 2012 8:15 pm

If a considerable size of them were really actively seeking a natural solution, this site woukd be one of the very first things they came across. Truth is they arent.

dadon Fri Mar 30, 2012 9:49 pm

Noone is searching because everyone keeps telling them the same old story: its your gene´s fault!

SlowMoe Fri Mar 30, 2012 10:43 pm

When searching for a hair loss forum, I know I came across at least fve medical based ones that really bashed any natural cures and made hair loss seem like rocket science. Even for someone who bieves in natural cures After visiting a few of those forums you start to lose faith.

wildman Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:38 pm

If there is 40 million men in the US alone suffering from MPB, you think even say, 10 % aren't searching for a natural solution to MPB? Why not? Is it because they are so convinced that new hair growth is a pipe dream? I guess this begs the question: out of those 40 million men, what percentage would like to have their hair back, if they knew they could have it back, naturally?

hellwig wrote:If a considerable size of them were really actively seeking a natural solution, this site woukd be one of the very first things they came across. Truth is they arent.

hellwig Fri Mar 30, 2012 11:46 pm

Most people would rather pop a pill or have surgery than put effort into anything

wildman Sat Mar 31, 2012 12:23 am

Sad but true.

hellwig wrote:Most people would rather pop a pill or have surgery than put effort into anything

CausticSymmetry Sat Mar 31, 2012 8:14 am

Totally agree.

Heart disease and diabetes which in my opinion are easier to reverse than hair loss is amazingly simple, however the know how is almost unknown to most (including most cardiologists and endocrinologists), so people just opt for the standard route.

bobbers2011 Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:34 pm

Brilliant thread guys, keep up all the good work. I love this site and am totally adicited to it! I spent most of my spare time reading this forum now!

duel_black Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:56 am

Good find guys.

I signed papi's NDA so I can't make any comments on his method. But I can certainly say that if you follow the method in the below as directed in that link, you should definitely start seeing some new hair in few months.

I am six months in and going strong, still stoked. My hair is back to it's 2006 look (I know this means nothing without pics). Also, as I stated before I include maliniak method (same principle), the yoga headstand (same principle), and take some supplements listed on this form. All at least 4 times a week.

NeonMonk wrote:I got a PM requesting the file CS originally uploaded as Sendspace wasn't working for them or the link expired.

So if your browser is having trouble with Sendspace, try this link below. It should last 90 days.

http://wikisend.com/download/407396/Growing_New_Hair.pdf

RPM Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:44 am

I've been applying various mechanical methods to increase scalp blood flow for a while, but am concerned that friction from excessive towel rubbing might cause more loss. I've seen first hand examples of body hair loss in areas that are exposed to excessive rubbing like work boots on lower leg hair. A towel massage (with the towel sort of fixed in places and moving the scalp with it) after a shower makes sense to me, but rubbing the towel over a relatively fixed scalp for minutes seems more questionable. Does anyone else have this concern or have evidence one way or the other?

SlowMoe Sun Apr 01, 2012 8:47 am

Yeah I'm also curious to know how much pressure we are supposed to be applying. I'm picturing a good bit, like 10 lbs or so..and a fast scrubby motion front to back and also in circles...

Paradox Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:04 am

I didn't sign a NDA, so I'll speak freely as the towel rubbing has already been mentioned.

I may be remembering what I read incorrectly, but I don't recall an urgency placed on a hemp towel or even any specific motions. Again, I could be wrong but what I remember is that it was a "bath towel" and to just rub your head in the thin or bald areas until it becomes pink. In summary the method= rubbing your head with a towel. Please correct me if I misread or am not remembering correctly. IMO the boar bristle brushing irritates the scalp to the same degree where it turns pink. I have been doing both, but when I started the towel rubbing I went overboard and rubbed some skin off my right temple. So take it easy and don't get overzealous like me!

duel_black Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:27 am

In addition I also do the following to get the scalp pink.

Make a claw with both hands. Palms/nails facing your face/head. Put nails on front of scalp and slide to back of scalp. I alternate hands: left slide back, right slide back - repeat. For each cycle of left hand/right hand I count 1. I do 100 of those.

That seems to get my scalp really pink. I also once read about this silly method called balayam (nail rubbing). That didn't work for me. But rubbing nails on my scalp, to get my scalp pink... who knows, maybe I am supercharging something Smile

Good luck

Hoppipolla Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:24 pm

NeonMonk wrote:Hey SlowMoe,

This is just my understanding, but Margo isn't too specific in regards in exactly how to rub.

She does mention to generate a lot of friction.

I personally find the best way to do that is to use the towel and apply friction with the pads of my fingers. I rub back and forth and then alternate and rub in a circular motion in one spot and then move to another area. I spend about 5 minutes and cover my whole scalp and a bit of the back and sides for good measure.

She does mention to do the technique for 2-4 minutes. Shorter times if you have good circulation and longer if not. I think 2 minutes would be just for maintenance. The longer the better in my opinion. Margo does go on to say that you can't really over do it.

For those who want a break down of the method, it's this:

A. Get a soft fluffy bath towel that generates a lot of friction. That's all she says about a towel, though it's now been said in this forum that a hemp towel is a good idea. Though, Margo has had success with ordinary towels for thousands of men, so if you can't get a hemp towel, don't worry too much.

B. Rub your head where it's thinning and you want more. Also rub the naked/bald areas of your head, but focus on the areas where you have hair, even if you only have one hair in the area. You cannot rub too much and you cannot rub too hard. Basically, go nuts! As long as you're not rubbing your skin off, you're doing OK.

C. Do the method at least once a day, every day (2-4 minutes at a minimum). This is a new lifetime commitment. You're going to have to take it on faith initially until you see results for yourself. Immediately after your rubbing, you want to get a scalp tingle that will last up to 10-20 minutes. I suppose that's the best way to know if you're doing it right or not.

Rubbing is the process that's gradually resupplying your capillary network in your scalp. So you're going to want to simulate the furthest points the blood presently reaches: the leading edge of the hairline, the upper edge of the horseshoe, the inner circumference of the crown, and all over the top.

Over time the crown will gradually fill in, receding hairlines and temples grow forward and descend, the edge of the horseshoe move up, and the hair on the top will thicken.

It's going to take AT LEAST 3-4 months from the time you start for the first new hair to appear. The time seems to depend on your circulatory system. You're not going to see drastic results in the first months and it may take years to get decent cosmetic results.

A caveat is that when you adopt this method, at the start, you're going to lose hair. It's part of the process. The hair that you initially lose is hair that you would have naturally lost anyway. You're just speeding up the process. Hair that is not ready to shed won't fall out no matter how much you rub. Normally you grow one hair back for each one you shed. But when you start doing Margo's Method, 2 hairs grow back for every hair that sheds. After 3 months or a little more, the shafts sent forth by your reviving papillae start to breakthrough the surface, resulting in a rough scalp, as if you were growing a beard on your scalp.

Thanks for this great post Smile

I might give this a go, as I am experimenting with lots of manual methods and it seems good!

Any advantage of dry hair over wet or vice versa do we think?

imprisoned-radical Sun Apr 01, 2012 4:45 pm

The only problem with using a "mechanical" approach to stimulate hair growth is that it would be a band aid solution. What's causing the micro-vascular insufficiency in the first place? The decreased blood flow to the scalp is a downstream effect of underlying health issues (ie., metabolic disease, insulin resistance, emotional problems). Whatever manual methods you're using - even if they're effective at stopping/reversing MPB - do not resolve the root cause.

j87x Sun Apr 01, 2012 7:11 pm

It seems to me that an electric massager could produce a similar effect as rubbing a towel all over your head.

Columbo Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:13 pm

imprisoned-radical wrote:The only problem with using a "mechanical" approach to stimulate hair growth is that it would be a band aid solution. What's causing the micro-vascular insufficiency in the first place? The decreased blood flow to the scalp is a downstream effect of underlying health issues (ie., metabolic disease, insulin resistance, emotional problems). Whatever manual methods you're using - even if they're effective at stopping/reversing MPB - do not resolve the root cause.

And if one could also fix the underlying issues at the same time then I'd imagine mechanical methods would be even more effective. Some direct underlying issues I can think of...

* Inflammation

* Stress hormones out of whack

* Low testosterone

* Low nitric oxide

* General poor circulation from inactivity

* Lack of anti-oxidants

Obviously multiple possible causes of each of those

What else?

Hoppipolla Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:26 pm

imprisoned-radical wrote:The only problem with using a "mechanical" approach to stimulate hair growth is that it would be a band aid solution. What's causing the micro-vascular insufficiency in the first place? The decreased blood flow to the scalp is a downstream effect of underlying health issues (ie., metabolic disease, insulin resistance, emotional problems). Whatever manual methods you're using - even if they're effective at stopping/reversing MPB - do not resolve the root cause.

oh of course I totally, totally agree mate Smile

I believe my hair loss is due to thyroid health, gut flora imbalance and weak collagen (including gut wall collagen). However... I'm just aware that internal solutions are slow and I'm not a genius so I can never be sure I'm getting it totally right. I'm viewing this as a "quick fix" to buy myself time, that's all Smile

hellwig Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:53 pm

So the margo method is to just rub your head with a towel? No massage, no nothing else? How on earth did that fill a whole book?

hellwig Sun Apr 01, 2012 10:59 pm

What do you guys think about brushing your scalp with a body detox style brush?

Mawson06 Sun Apr 01, 2012 11:00 pm

Just wondering what thoughts would be on someone using this method who has undergone a transplant. It has been about one year post op and even the transplanted areas seem to be diminishing which makes me wonder if it is a blood supply issue. I have been doing the method for just one month and am quite sure I have shedded quite a bit. Problem is I am not sure if this will potentially harm any of the transplanted hairs and if there is even any chance of natural regrowth under the scalp where the hairs were implanted.

Not sure if anyone may have experience with this but I also don't seem to be experiencing any tingling feeling which everyone talks about although it does feel as though I am regaining some feeling in certain parts of my scalp when pressing with my fingers.

SlowMoe Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:36 am

Honcho pressure are you guys looking

Hoppipolla Mon Apr 02, 2012 7:56 am

hellwig wrote:So the margo method is to just rub your head with a towel? No massage, no nothing else? How on earth did that fill a whole book?

haha yeah well said Smile

I erm... I probably won't be experimenting with the towel method, and will instead be doing more of things like the hair tug, Oleda Baker method and Papilla Power method (getting an NDA off to him).

Why? Because my hair is still really long and if I "rubbed it vigorously with a towel" I'd end up with a frickin' tangled up messy bird's nest lol

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