Re: Chelation Thread

turbojet Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:54 am

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Just curious, what prompted you to do the EDTA drip? Thought you had a pretty good grasp on the heavy metals.

How's rife treating you? It interests me but I'm a bit intimidated by all the experimentation, time and cost to get started.

Zaphod Tue Jan 10, 2012 5:44 am

I want to type this notice as i believe it's a symptom from a chelation.

My skin on my face is far more irritable as it was. During the showers i get red flushes on my face and temples. More about it:
in this thread

Other wise so far so good. I have some ups and downs says my mood sometimes left unexplained. So far i wouldn't conclude it helped my thyroid very much, but it's sure thing i want to continue doing.

I am currently taking 12,5mg iodine and humifulvate. Should i already increase the iodine dosage - i ve been in this waters for 3 weeks?

At the end, flu experience i want to share with you guys.

Viral influenza is fearing our town in these days. Unknowingly of the fact i'd afforded to work too hard for 2 days - Wednesday and Thursday, when i'd been exposed to cold, dust, a lot of traffic, and hard physical work - we are about to move to another location. I've never been so exhausted in my detox and i hope i wont be ever again. I had tough regenerating process in friday from those days and finally got flue. On Saturday i had a fever, had no energy at all, sore nose and started to feel it's influencing my throat too - i started coughing. Sunday's morning was hellish too, but i decided to try RIFE, because it's seemed like golden opportunity to try something extraordinary. I work at mechatronical company so i afforded to change our equipment into a simplest possible rife machine since it was weekend and nobody there. I used frequency generator as a source and rifed myself with frequencies that i found on web. I thought it doesn't work since i almost didn't feel anything. I had to set amplitude of the voltage a little higher than suggested to detect the pulses (no particular reason, but a good feeling if you're sensing something). I watched frequencies and amplitudes with a oscilloscope to avoid accidents and regulate accuracy. The current went through me for about 2 hours, since i was really not in the mood for doing something else although i didn't sense it has any effect on myself whatsoever. I went home, sick. Today i woke up with a thought that i am sick, but...hey, no fever, my nose is cleaning and coughing is almost completely gone. I am confident enought to say it's over with my flu. Well my conclusion is: it's working. Still dont know what exactly is the main reason, since i stopped my detox ass soon as i realized i am infected by the virus, but was still taking antioxidants. I also think there is a possibility for placebo of the rife, but something really got me back on shape too soon to be true.

Today i went to work. It was funny, 2 persons are still missing from flue since thursday and 2 more are about to start their disease. I had to argue about my weekend telling i was also sick. With my vitamin C, magnesium and oranges on our desk, kefir and carrots in our fridge, supps in my desk and grounding solution on my feet, i finnally started to feel like i can make some progress with my hair loss also... pirat

Yanks Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:19 am

In regard to EDTA and heart disease

http://www.anaturalhealingcenter.com/documents/Thorne/articles/EDTA.pdf

It's not so focused on metal chelation, but it touches on it. In terms of cardiovascular health in general it's a very encouraging read. In terms of hair loss, let's remember how strongly connected heart disease has been with balding. Crown thinning in particular if I recall correcty.

Yanks Wed Jan 11, 2012 7:24 am

http://www.yourticker.com/

Anyone ever heard of "Angioprim" for EDTA chelation? I had thought oral/suppository standard was "Detoxamin"...

Zaphod Fri Jan 20, 2012 8:23 pm

It seems my metabolism is improving. I noticed increased heart rate. I usually had 45- pulses/minute when i woke up, looking like a real zombie for some time. This week i am measuring it regularly with my phone, and it's not going under 57 pulses/minute. I dont measure body temperature, cause it time spending process and believe in my case is strong correlation between this measurements.

Lurx Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:56 am

Here's some videos with Dr Chris Shade on mercury, and its detoxification primarily through the gut. Personally I needed some balance after reading so much from Andy Cutler's point of view.

Here's a playlist of most of them: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9772D116E8D7D4EA Otherwise just search YouTube for "Chris Shade"

There's also an overview of Dr Shade's protocol on these sites (One has broken images): http://www.sgn80.com/blog/system-for-body-detoxification/ http://www.drvitaminsolutions.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=127

I'm not sure, but it appears IMD might be the same product as Dr Klinghardt's MicroSilica.

Also, I remember in one of Ray Peat's interviews he mentioned something about silicon dioxide being absorbed or otherwise causing problems for people, which might be worth considering.

NewReg Sat Aug 18, 2012 12:14 pm

Lurx wrote:Here's some videos with Dr Chris Shade on mercury, and its detoxification primarily through the gut. Personally I needed some balance after reading so much from Andy Cutler's point of view.

Here's a playlist of most of them: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9772D116E8D7D4EA Otherwise just search YouTube for "Chris Shade"

There's also an overview of Dr Shade's protocol on these sites (One has broken images): http://www.sgn80.com/blog/system-for-body-detoxification/ http://www.drvitaminsolutions.com/index.php?l=product_list&c=127

I'm not sure, but it appears IMD might be the same product as Dr Klinghardt's MicroSilica.

Also, I remember in one of Ray Peat's interviews he mentioned something about silicon dioxide being absorbed or otherwise causing problems for people, which might be worth considering.

I watched an interview this morning that Dr. Mercola did with Dr. Shade and thought his approach of detoxification over chelation was pretty interesting. I've been looking for a way to get rid of barium, but DMPS gave me diarrhea and I seem to be allergic to chlorella. I have some DMSA, but it seems like there's a lot of controversy around it. I'm interested in the Quicksilver Scientific system, especially since it emphasizes the intestines (where I had my barium enema about ten years ago). Anyone tried this system? Experiences?

Zaphod Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:40 am

I started humic/fulvic/iodine detox again after 6 months of pause. I've been doing it since last week and notice nothing worth talking about until this night. Before bed i took 2 pills of metal cleanse. I woke up 2 times - totally not normally for me, all wet accompanied with really really weird, and grotesque dreams with strong symbolics. Urine smell was stronger then ever and i am yet bringing myself to normal levels. Wouldn't recommend to overdose it to anyone. I wonder if there will be any other detox reaction in a while, cause this stuff is at least interesting, hehe.

And i am here to ask: It's safe to take Decalcify and EC with humifulvate before bed? i stopped using it before bed - just in case cause dont know about possible interactions... Consume plenty of vit C, curcumin/resveratrol/quercetine.

BTW: Yesterday i've played my best tennis, so my overall well being is not affected by chelation, it might be the opposite.

TrueGround Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:08 am

I started humic/fulvic/iodine detox again after 6 months of pause. I've been doing it since last week and notice nothing worth talking about until this night. Before bed i took 2 pills of metal cleanse. I woke up 2 times - totally not normally for me, all wet accompanied with really really weird, and grotesque dreams with strong symbolics. Urine smell was stronger then ever and i am yet bringing myself to normal levels. Wouldn't recommend to overdose it to anyone. I wonder if there will be any other detox reaction in a while, cause this stuff is at least interesting, hehe.

And i am here to ask: It's safe to take Decalcify and EC with humifulvate before bed? i stopped using it before bed - just in case cause dont know about possible interactions... Consume plenty of vit C, curcumin/resveratrol/quercetine.

BTW: Yesterday i've played my best tennis, so my overall well being is not affected by chelation, it might be the opposite.

Funny you mention that. I couldn't remember the last time I even had a dream until around the time I started heavy metal chelation. I was also increasing my exercise activity around this time as well, but I can definitely say that when I'm in a chelation phase, I definitely have very strange dreams. They are almost always nightmares actually. Is this what you mean by grotesque?

I started my first round of chelation about three months ago and literally hadn't had a dream in years before that. Last month I took 30 days off and just started back up this week. Having dreams almost every night. Also notice urine is darker colored with more bubbles than usual in the morning. I haven't taken a good huff of it yet though.

I'm taking these internals: humifulvate, magnesium caps, pureway C, and iodine. I adhere to this for 30 days on, 30 days off.

Was wondering if this was actually doing the trick. I think the increase in brain activity during the night, accompanied with feeling like shit (on and off) the first week or two of the cleanse is a good sign.

I would also like to know if its safe to take those internals while chelating. The humifulvate package says not to take any supplements within 3 hours of taking the detox capsule, as it may hinder the effectiveness of each. That's all i know.

CausticSymmetry Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:51 am

A boost in dreams (even if they are nightmares) is a good sign. The "bubbles" indicates a rise in oxygenation (it's also a good sign).

moby Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:02 am

Beebrox, any difference to your hair?

I've been having more frequent dreams since being on 50-100 mg of iodine

AS54 Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:19 pm

Hey Moby (or 2020),

How many people have you PM'd here telling them they're going to be banned? As far as I know you told Isrealite that you and I were going to ban him. Then you message me telling me you and CS were talking about banning me. I'm glad you are having a laugh from your grandmother's basement, but why don't you give it a rest. And why are you so concerned with where I live? Your behavior is just creepy as fuck.

RisingFist Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:24 pm

got a message as well. I assumed he has social issues and doesn't know how to deal with it so I don't take it personally. Plenty of resources to help him work on himself but he has to take the first step just like everyone else.

AS54 Fri Sep 14, 2012 1:26 pm

I'm just waiting for him to finally lose it and for the all caps troll posts to start flooding the latest topics: "I have infinite IP addresses, just try to ban me!". They're coming, they're coming.

TrueGround Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:52 pm

Thanks, CS. I've been taking those internals based upon your recommendation on HealthyFixx. I think that site was absolutely fantastic. Looking forward to when you have it back up and running again. From what I can tell, every blog was a gem.

I'm planning on setting up a personal consultation with you, assuming they are still available. I've been tracking your posts here and on WorldHairLoss for years now. Love your content and the fact that you support this community so much for free.

CausticSymmetry Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:47 pm

TrueGround - Thank you for the feedback, and yes I'm available.

Healthyfixx is on hiatus for a while...the people at healthyfix with one x didn't like us too much (myself and the web designer) so at some point we'll get a new domain name and put everything back up online and begin with new articles.
Most of the new content will focus on anti-aging.

Zaphod Fri Sep 14, 2012 9:46 pm

moby wrote:Beebrox, any difference to your hair?

I've been having more frequent dreams since being on 50-100 mg of iodine

If i want to be conservative about it, i say the process is slowed down to the point of no bothering me. I shed a few hair a day for last few months. I stopped counting it a while ago. During testing manuals for 8 months i did regrow some new vellus hair, and change some vellus to terminals - still present, thought. Still have plenty things to search progress at before starting doing manuals again (gut, specific pathogens, adrenals, thyroid, teeth).

For increasing vividness of the dream, handstands and inversions work well for me. I remember dream almost everyday for last 6 months, i think... Iodine and other supps i take might contribute with it as well.

Please behave, moby. Or at least keep it private. Tnx.

trueGround wrote:
I was also increasing my exercise activity around this time as well, but I can definitely say that when I'm in a chelation phase, I definitely have very strange dreams. They are almost always nightmares actually. Is this what you mean by grotesque?

Yes - i am afraid of snakes, and there were plenty of them, winning natural selection over other animals, including animal species produced by imagination. I was spectator. Shortest summary possible. Smile

Today i dreamed climbing mountains and searching for sweet spots in the hills. It was not negative, more like ''no fear, no worries, just hard work and test of determination''. I dont notice difference in dreaming - doing humifulvate, yesterday was exeption that's why i wrote about it...

CausticSymmetry wrote:Healthyfixx is on hiatus for a while...the people at healthyfix with one x didn't like us too much (myself and the web designer) so at some point we'll get a new domain name and put everything back up online and begin with new articles.
Most of the new content will focus on anti-aging.

Good to hear there will be some new content. What about the older one? Will we still be able to see it online? Is there a public backup? I didnt manage to go trough it all, but found many worth looking directions there.

And about taking internals at the same time with humifulvate? Is there something you recommend beside vit C or iodine (i dont mix it due conversion iodine-iodide)? I became more strick about it and try to maximise humifulvate potency.

MikeBison Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:20 am

In case of mild adrenal fatigue, what do you reccomend first, chelation or start adrenal treatment?

RisingFist Thu Oct 04, 2012 12:58 am

I've been reading a while in regards to heavy metal detox. Some say don't chelate until you remove all your amalgams. Others say you can chelate lightly with a few products regardless. I have a metal filling which I presume it has mercury. I also have a metal wire on my lower jaw which was put on after I removed my braces and has stayed there for years. It might have nickel in it, not sure yet.

I need some recommendations for safe chelating in my situation. I don't know if I should use humifulvate, MCP, french green clay, ZeoForce, or Immune 77.

Once I get rid of my fillings in a couple of months, I won't have a problem on what procedure to use.

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