OT: Detoxamin EDTA suppositories for metals?

Has anyone had any experience with EDTA suppositories (Detoxamin or other brands)? It seems to be over-marketed and over-hyped, but I'm still curious. My doctor wants me to try it for chelation. There are many claims of people feeling good on it. There are similar claims for the oral EDTA products on iherb.

CS, Do you think it is a viable treatment for heart and prostate issues? Have you witnessed it used clinically via IV or otherwise?

Paradox - I've written about this before on a few occasions. It's extremely useful for prostate and breast cancer.
Also, this is widely used in integrative medicine, it is a real and viable treatment when needed. It has a few advantages over EDTA-Chelation--however, it's drawback is that it's primarily intended for lead toxicity.

So in other words, if you have a problem with mercury, the EDTAs will not be useful for it. Humifulvate would be the aim if mercury is the target.

Lead (Pb) is a serious problem though, and lead has an affinity for bacteria and calcium.

Thanks CS,

I have high Pb/Hg/Cu and I'm using different things. Been through a couple bottles of Toxgaurd (MCP), a bottle of Humifulvate, and I'm on my second bottle of DMSA/ALA. I'm wondering how long I should keep going and when to do another provoked urine test to check progress. I'm aware that EDTA has a weak affinity for Hg, but it would be useful for Pb in my case. I don't know if it is cost effective though. I may just stick with DMSA/ALA to clean up both, but I'd like to try EDTA for the hell of it. Maybe I'll do it for a month.

Paradox - I stay clear of DMSA, DMPS and only use ALA, humifulvate + iodine. I've used MCP also which was nice.

I think overall, I was the most impressed with humifulvate and iodine together. It seems to have a synergy to it.

CS,

Did you run any toxic metal tests? Are you impressed by how you felt, or by some other measurement of progress? How did you determine you were done? These are things I'm still trying to figure out because they aren't very black and white. For instance some people rate things highly that they feel good on or don't feel bad. Other people take that as a sign it isn't working (no detox reaction). Because I'm not dealing with autism obviously, any perceived improvement isn't going to be as dramatic. I'll feel comfortable when my labs come back clear, but I'm not sure how long I should chelate before checking and how much money can be potentially saved.

Cutler does say that ALA can be used alone, but DMSA speeds it up by about 40% if I remember correctly. The only thing that is relatively affordable is humifulvate, but it seems to be so obscure. There isn't much at all about it online other than stuff from the producers. I can't find much of a record of people using it either. Combine all that with statements from someone as educated and experienced as Cutler and it's hard to feel confident that it will be enough as a sole agent. This is why I use different things. Have you seen a before and after metal test using only humifulvate?

Paradox - In my opinion, Cutler is biased. There's a study on humifulvate on pigs that is very impressive in regards to mercury. They are quite comparable to humans in this regard. Also, human studies on Lead have been very impressive using humifulvate.

Dr. Boyd Haley advises against the Cutler protocol, and naturally Cutler isn't happy with that. I side with Dr. Haley, because I've seen too many patients suffer from being reintoxicated with the Cutler protocol.

Thanks for explaining your reasoning CS. I would guess it would be the other way around when it comes to bias because Haley stands t9o0 benefit directly from OSR, where Cutler doesn't with DMSA/ALA, but I acknowledge there are other factors.

I appreciate your firsthand experience with the Cutler protocol. The thing about Cutler is that his science and articulation are impeccable and he is very convincing. He responds to any disagreements and is very fact based.

Was it mainly autistic children you've seen on Cutler's protocol? It's ironic that patients be reintoxicated on Cutler because he dismisses other agents on the grounds that they do just that. I can't find much info on humifulvate half-life, and it seems to me that taking something once a day without considering HL is risky?

Paradox - Normal people (non-autistic).

Do you experience any sides from using the Cutler protocol?

I definitely do feel something although it's hard to describe. It's a feeling in my head like increased pressure and a barely detectable headache. It takes time to build up and peaks at day 3 which is when I usually stop the round. I'm taking 150mg ALA and not the NA-Rala which I think is 'easier' on me. So I believe what I feel is mostly the ALA but it could be the DMSA too. It's not pleasant but it's tolerable. Urine smells strongly like sulphur (dmsa). Sleep isn't great but then again I have an alarm going off every 3 hours to dose.