Omega 3 lowers T.. this would hurt hair loss?

a) In this study, the researchers tested several nutritional factors to see how they correlate with pre-exercise testosterone levels in healthy men. What they saw was that the diets high in saturated fat and the diets high in monounsaturated fat, significantly increased testosterone levels. Whereas the diets high in protein, or the diets high in polyunsaturated fats, both reduced testosterone levels in a pretty much dose dependent manner. The researchers also saw that the higher the dietary fat intake, the higher the testosterone (diet containing mixed fats).

http://anabolicmen.com/fats-and-testosterone/

fish oil causes oxidative stress.....in fish ((Kjaer et al. 2008).)

unless you are the Tin Man, limit the fish oil

Thanks for the post, sanderson.

Thanks for the study Sanderson (and the info in the accompanying site)  This looks like a point for the Peatarians.  Very confusing for me-thought we wanted to maximize T, but the PUFAs seem to significantly decrease it. Does the anti-inflammatory effect outweigh the T lowering?  Any contrary opinions out there?

RPM wrote:Thanks for the study Sanderson (and the info in the accompanying site)  This looks like a point for the Peatarians.  Very confusing for me-thought we wanted to maximize T, but the PUFAs seem to significantly decrease it. Does the anti-inflammatory effect outweigh the T lowering?  Any contrary opinions out there?

Yeah I initially thought the peat stuff was a little out there until I found this.. now I'm avoiding them all. I know CS has been avocating omega-3, any comment CS on this? is this a big deal or no iyo?

Vitamin A from fish oil a bad thing then? How about black currant oil or krill?

sanderson wrote:

RPM wrote:Thanks for the study Sanderson (and the info in the accompanying site)  This looks like a point for the Peatarians.  Very confusing for me-thought we wanted to maximize T, but the PUFAs seem to significantly decrease it. Does the anti-inflammatory effect outweigh the T lowering?  Any contrary opinions out there?

Yeah I initially thought the peat stuff was a little out there until I found this.. now I'm avoiding them all. I know CS has been avocating omega-3, any comment CS on this? is this a big deal or no iyo?

The Peat science has one significant flaw.

First, let's consider that dosage is important when it comes to everything.

When we dissect studies, the true details matter and here is what the science doesn't say from most of what Peat picks out.

(1) Amounts of Omega-3 less than 3 grams is safe.
a. I prefer krill oil, where less is more (1,000 mg per day)
b. amounts in excess of 3-grams reduces oxygen transfer between cell membranes...(I'll give Peat that...and this has been recognized...no argument there), but we don't need to take such a large dose to get the effect we want.

(2) Omega-3 in reasonable dosages not only soaks up heavy metals...it also reduces telomere shrinkage (extends lifespan). It bears repeating (when the correct dosage is taken, less than 3 grams).

(3) Diets are generally overly abundant in omega-6, so why not balance it with a little omega-3. The real fact is abstaining from omega-3's is a classic example of misinformation. It's going to protect against prostaglandin D2.

(4) Oxidation from even rancid fats is not as bad as it was once assumed...surprise....it doesn't interfere with its beneficial effects. I would cite the source, but my laptop's current location has poor Internet. I've been studying lipid biochemistry since the early 90's.

(5) My last point is, omega-3's have made a real difference for people...why not take advantage of it. It's really just about the dosage. So yes, Peat's science sounds good, however, managing grams amount of PUFAs gets a bit ridiculous. Just keep the dose reasonable...no worries.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

sanderson wrote:

RPM wrote:Thanks for the study Sanderson (and the info in the accompanying site)  This looks like a point for the Peatarians.  Very confusing for me-thought we wanted to maximize T, but the PUFAs seem to significantly decrease it. Does the anti-inflammatory effect outweigh the T lowering?  Any contrary opinions out there?

Yeah I initially thought the peat stuff was a little out there until I found this.. now I'm avoiding them all. I know CS has been avocating omega-3, any comment CS on this? is this a big deal or no iyo?

The Peat science has one significant flaw.

First, let's consider that dosage is important when it comes to everything.

When we dissect studies, the true details matter and here is what the science doesn't say from most of what Peat picks out.

(1) Amounts of Omega-3 less than 3 grams is safe.
a. I prefer krill oil, where less is more (1,000 mg per day)
b. amounts in excess of 3-grams reduces oxygen transfer between cell membranes...(I'll give Peat that...and this has been recognized...no argument there), but we don't need to take such a large dose to get the effect we want.

(2) Omega-3 in reasonable dosages not only soaks up heavy metals...it also reduces telomere shrinkage (extends lifespan).  It bears repeating (when the correct dosage is taken, less than 3 grams).

(3) Diets are generally overly abundant in omega-6, so why not balance it with a little omega-3. The real fact is abstaining from omega-3's is a classic example of misinformation. It's going to protect against prostaglandin D2.

(4) Oxidation from even rancid fats is not as bad as it was once assumed...surprise....it doesn't interfere with its beneficial effects. I would cite the source, but my laptop's current location has poor Internet. I've been studying lipid biochemistry since the early 90's.

(5) My last point is, omega-3's have made a real difference for people...why not take advantage of it. It's really just about the dosage. So yes, Peat's science sounds good, however, managing grams amount of PUFAs gets a bit ridiculous. Just keep the dose reasonable...no worries.

makes sense.. i guess we are considering much higher doses of omega 3 contributing towards T going lower versus fish oil a smaller amount. do you have the study showing that less than a certain amount of pufa is OK?

http://www.pureloveshake.com/puriumlove/ingredients.html

There's 3g of omega 3 in here. It's a great plant protein.

very nice and informative post and I too think that Omega-3 in moderated doses is very safe and healthy.