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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
24-hour urinary and saliva, serum cortisol.
Epinephrine/norepinephrine, metanephrines in urine or serum whichever you prefer.
ACTH-stim test
Please do those and post here the results, then we can see if you really do have "adrenal fatigue".
Epinephrine/norepinephrine, metanephrines in urine or serum whichever you prefer.
ACTH-stim test
Please do those and post here the results, then we can see if you really do have "adrenal fatigue".
DeadlyDevice- Posts : 276
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
constipationbrah wrote:thanks
You can always purchase an "adrenal fixer-upper kit" online.
Odysseus- Posts : 636
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
DeadlyDevice wrote:24-hour urinary and saliva, serum cortisol.
Epinephrine/norepinephrine, metanephrines in urine or serum whichever you prefer.
ACTH-stim test
Please do those and post here the results, then we can see if you really do have "adrenal fatigue".
Yeah, I'd agree. Its very easy to feel a lack of energy or more stress and assume its adrenal fatigue, when that term doesn't even really mean a whole lot.
AS54- Posts : 2367
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
AS54 wrote:DeadlyDevice wrote:24-hour urinary and saliva, serum cortisol.
Epinephrine/norepinephrine, metanephrines in urine or serum whichever you prefer.
ACTH-stim test
Please do those and post here the results, then we can see if you really do have "adrenal fatigue".
Yeah, I'd agree. Its very easy to feel a lack of energy or more stress and assume its adrenal fatigue, when that term doesn't even really mean a whole lot.
adrenal fatigue
Web definitionsAdrenal fatigue or hypoadrenia are terms used in alternative medicine to describe the unproven theory that the adrenal glands are exhausted and unable to produce adequate quantities of hormones, primarily the glucocorticoid cortisol. ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_fatigue
Odysseus- Posts : 636
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
This time I agree with you Odysseus, this is one of those things that can safely fall into the realm of hocus pocus invented by the alternative health scene.
" theory that the adrenal glands are exhausted and unable to produce adequate quantities of hormones, primarily the glucocorticoid cortisol"
Sounds simple enough to test right?
But I bet they would invoke something similar to what AS54 was talking about a few days ago...
"You don't have enough cortisol, but you can't measure that you don't have enough! The tests won't find it."
lol
" theory that the adrenal glands are exhausted and unable to produce adequate quantities of hormones, primarily the glucocorticoid cortisol"
Sounds simple enough to test right?
But I bet they would invoke something similar to what AS54 was talking about a few days ago...
"You don't have enough cortisol, but you can't measure that you don't have enough! The tests won't find it."
lol
DeadlyDevice- Posts : 276
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
Okay news flash. This type of rhetoric is starting to get dangerous.
The reason I despite mainstream medicine is because they ridicule the very issues they do not understand, keeping people in need in the dark. Therefore they will continue to suffer.
In black in white, mainstream hasn't a clue about adrenal health, which is 90% of treating hair loss.
In most cases, kidney/adrenal health is backwards if you have hair loss (especially MPB).
I won't comment on an adrenal health kit, however it is seriously something to understand.
The concert interplay between the hypothalmic pituitary adrenal axis is a make or break as it interacts with
microbial health.
Mainstream medicine only measures extremes, they do not know what optimal health even means. They do not treat optimal health, they only address symptoms with drugs.
The reason I despite mainstream medicine is because they ridicule the very issues they do not understand, keeping people in need in the dark. Therefore they will continue to suffer.
In black in white, mainstream hasn't a clue about adrenal health, which is 90% of treating hair loss.
In most cases, kidney/adrenal health is backwards if you have hair loss (especially MPB).
I won't comment on an adrenal health kit, however it is seriously something to understand.
The concert interplay between the hypothalmic pituitary adrenal axis is a make or break as it interacts with
microbial health.
Mainstream medicine only measures extremes, they do not know what optimal health even means. They do not treat optimal health, they only address symptoms with drugs.
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
FWIW I have adrenal fatigue confirmed by multiple ASI tests.
stresssucks- Posts : 457
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
Milk thistle helping?
ghai018- Posts : 193
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
CausticSymmetry wrote:Okay news flash. This type of rhetoric is starting to get dangerous.
The reason I despite mainstream medicine is because they ridicule the very issues they do not understand, keeping people in need in the dark. Therefore they will continue to suffer.
In black in white, mainstream hasn't a clue about adrenal health, which is 90% of treating hair loss.
In most cases, kidney/adrenal health is backwards if you have hair loss (especially MPB).
I won't comment on an adrenal health kit, however it is seriously something to understand.
The concert interplay between the hypothalmic pituitary adrenal axis is a make or break as it interacts with
microbial health.
Mainstream medicine only measures extremes, they do not know what optimal health even means. They do not treat optimal health, they only address symptoms with drugs.
I'm no scientific brainiac like a lot of people on this forum, but I have a hunch that adrenal health or lack thereof, plays a huge role in hair loss. My own symptoms, which I wont bore anyone with, are consistent with adrenal glands that are operating very far from optimum health. This was confirmed by a hair mineral analysis test that was very enlightening and stated that I had clearly been under stress for a long time and was now very evidently in a burnout stage of stress. It stated that I was suffering from both adrenal and thyroid insufficiency (paraphrasing, don't have the results in front of me here).
"Oh, but Elmo! you're so gullable! Don't you realize that we advocators of mainstream medicine don't acknowledge the efficacy of Hair Mineral Analysis testing and that you're clearly deluding yourself if you believe in that shit!? "
Yeah, blow me....
Anyway, I have been lurking round this forum like a creepy little shadow for the last year and hardly ever hear anyone talking about adrenal health in relation to hair loss, although admittedly I haven't really delved into the archives on this issue. There is an article however on hairevo.com. Maybe those who doubt the importance of Adrenal health in relation to hair loss should read that article. I hear a lot of people on this forum talking non stop about thyroid health and how iodine is literally a Demi-God, but very few people mention Adrenal health.
I think the guy who started this thread has a very legitimate concern about his adrenal health and he has a right to voice it here and ask questions, without being derided by others simply because he used the term "Adrenal Fatigue". So what that mainstream medicine doesn't acknowledge the existence of "Adrenal Fatigue"?? And wikipedia....?? Give me a fuckin break.....
The reason why I, and many others are on this forum is because mainstream medicine has completely failed us, and not just on the subject of hair loss. My Aunt had to literally have a heart attack before they would take her seriously and give her an operation. Mainstream medicine, may have all the technology and funding in the world, but clearly its failing people on a massive scale. And its mainly because it treats the human being like a soul-less machine. There's no compassion anymore; I have met doctor after doctor, who are completely dead behind the eyes; they only exist to deal drugs for the pharmaceutical industry; they couldn't give a damn if you're in pain or you're half dead. My dad fell out of a tree house he was building for the grand-kids and he broke three vertabrae in his back. At the hospital, the doctor looked at my dad like he was observing a frog that he might choose to dissect. Zero compassion.
We're living in an ever increasing material world with a growing number of machine men with machine minds, and its dangerous. There needs to be COMPASSION. And you're probably thinking, you're going way off topic here Elmo, you're talking fluffy idealistic horseshit, but my point is this - There NEEDS TO BE COMPASSION! And you guys who were deliberately belittling that original poster over his concerns about "Adrenal Fatigue". You think you're really smart and witty, but actually you just come across as arrogant as the totally compassion-less, ineffectual doctors that I and so many others have dealt with our entire lives.
Now, I'm not trying to start an argument here, I'm sure you're nice guys, and you've given me advice in the past, but seriously, climb off the high horse every now and then and stand on solid ground amongst the rest of your fellow humans. There's more wisdom in remaining humble and realizing you don't know everything. And again, I say that respectfully and not argumentatively, because if people are reaching out for help on this forum and you're shooting them down, then what's the point? As far as I am aware the prime objective of this forum was to help people and that's how it should continue. It shouldn't just be endless scientific pontification that sounds academically impressive, but essentially just reads like chapters from a medical dictionary. There needs to be compassion at the end of it all.
Anyway, rant over. Back to Adrenal health....
Like I said, I am no scientist. Like the rest of you guys, I just don't have the mind for it, my skills lie elsewhere. But as far as I have read, thyroid health and adrenal health are deeply interconnected. And an under-performing thyroid can be the result of Adrenal glands that are way out of balance, usually due to huge amounts of stress, which over time send the cortisol levels out of balance, which consequently reeks havoc on the thyroid etc. etc. I have read if you are going to fix the thyroid you best address the adrenals first because if the thyroid is out of whack you can bet the adrenals are as well. Also, I have read that you crave sugar when the adrenals are under-performing. And then I think you get into a situation were you literally start abusing sugar, you become a sugar junkie, and that's when you start developing insulin resistance problems and we all know where that leads. Obviously that was a very basic summation that won't satisfy all you scientific gigantopithicus brains, but I think you can probably catch my drift.
Bottom line is, I think Adrenal health in relation to hair loss is a huge issue and should be given a lot more attention. And, just to pluck my weeping harp one last time - People asking genuine questions regarding genuine health concerns should NOT be derided in a sarcastic manner. I'm bitter and twisted but I will never sink that low. Its just not cool at all.
So be nice guys. Makes the world an easier place to live in.
ElmoSuper8- Posts : 362
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
I HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ADRENAL FATIGUE BY MY MEDICAL DOCTOR. She is a regular MD, not a naturopath or any other alternative practitioner.
So much for the term "not meaning anything".
And please, please, please no one else who has never walked a mile in my shoes step to tell me I'm imagining these things worked for me. Take your skepticism and sell it to someone who's buying it. Or better yet, as Elmo said: Blow me. Although maybe I would prefer biting.
Anyway, things that worked for me to help combat adrenal fatigue:
--Salt loading. If you put 1/4 teaspoon of salt in 8oz of water first thing in the morning and it tastes like heaven when you drink it, that can be a good sign that the low aldosterone that is native to adrenal dysfuction is one of your problems. Low aldosterone can cause electrolyte imbalance which increases a need for sodium. But if your salted water doesn't taste so good then you might want to look elsewhere for the source of your fatigue problem.
--Vitamin C (liposomal)
--Adrenergize by Enzymatic Therapy or Dessicated Adrenal by Standard Process (both adrenal glanduralrs
That's all I can think of right now. If anything else occurs I'll chime back in.
So much for the term "not meaning anything".
And please, please, please no one else who has never walked a mile in my shoes step to tell me I'm imagining these things worked for me. Take your skepticism and sell it to someone who's buying it. Or better yet, as Elmo said: Blow me. Although maybe I would prefer biting.
Anyway, things that worked for me to help combat adrenal fatigue:
--Salt loading. If you put 1/4 teaspoon of salt in 8oz of water first thing in the morning and it tastes like heaven when you drink it, that can be a good sign that the low aldosterone that is native to adrenal dysfuction is one of your problems. Low aldosterone can cause electrolyte imbalance which increases a need for sodium. But if your salted water doesn't taste so good then you might want to look elsewhere for the source of your fatigue problem.
--Vitamin C (liposomal)
--Adrenergize by Enzymatic Therapy or Dessicated Adrenal by Standard Process (both adrenal glanduralrs
That's all I can think of right now. If anything else occurs I'll chime back in.
whodathunkit- Posts : 874
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
I like daily grounding/earthing for adrenal/kidney support. It evens out and normalizes all of those nasty cortisol spikes.
4039- Posts : 780
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
ElmoSuper8 wrote:
Bottom line is, I think Adrenal health in relation to hair loss is a huge issue and should be given a lot more attention. And, just to pluck my weeping harp one last time - People asking genuine questions regarding genuine health concerns should NOT be derided in a sarcastic manner. I'm bitter and twisted but I will never sink that low. Its just not cool at all.
So be nice guys. Makes the world an easier place to live in.
I don't understand. So we (meaning the people who think the term(s) "adrenal exhaustion/health" are so nebulous and undefined that there's no point in discussing it) should not respond?
Odysseus- Posts : 636
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
This same vague collection of symptoms is called something entirely different in the alternative health world. It’s branded “adrenal fatigue,” an invented condition that’s widely embraced as real among alternative health providers. There’s no evidence that adrenal fatigue actually exists. The public education arm of the Endocrine Society, representing 14,000 endocrinologists, recently issued the following advisory:
“Adrenal fatigue” is not a real medical condition. There are no scientific facts to support the theory that long-term mental, emotional, or physical stress drains the adrenal glands and causes many common symptoms.
Unequivocal words. But facts about adrenal fatigue neatly illustrate why a science-based approach is a consumer’s best protection against being diagnosed with a fake disease.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fatigued-by-a-fake-disease/
“Adrenal fatigue” is not a real medical condition. There are no scientific facts to support the theory that long-term mental, emotional, or physical stress drains the adrenal glands and causes many common symptoms.
Unequivocal words. But facts about adrenal fatigue neatly illustrate why a science-based approach is a consumer’s best protection against being diagnosed with a fake disease.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fatigued-by-a-fake-disease/
Odysseus- Posts : 636
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
Odysseus wrote:ElmoSuper8 wrote:
Bottom line is, I think Adrenal health in relation to hair loss is a huge issue and should be given a lot more attention. And, just to pluck my weeping harp one last time - People asking genuine questions regarding genuine health concerns should NOT be derided in a sarcastic manner. I'm bitter and twisted but I will never sink that low. Its just not cool at all.
So be nice guys. Makes the world an easier place to live in.
I don't understand. So we (meaning the people who think the term(s) "adrenal exhaustion/health" are so nebulous and undefined that there's no point in discussing it) should not respond?
Of course respond. Say whatever you wish. Express yourself.
All I'm saying is when someone reaches out for help don't deride them purely because you see their terminology as flawed. Because at the end of the day he's asking for help because its a situation that's causing him concern. Getting into a debate about the possible non validity of the term "Adrenal Fatigue" may well be how the mainstream medical establishment views the subject but it doesn't provide help to the person who asked for it. A better way to respond would be to offer advice on how to optimize health for adrenal glands rather than being sarcastic about the terminology "Adrenal Fatigue".
That's just how I see it. I think its better to be as helpful as possible rather than using scientific rhetoric to sound superior. I appreciate that there are some very smart people on this forum and their knowledge of science is advanced, but at the end of the day what impresses me more is someone who can remain humble and still share knowledge in a helpful way.
ElmoSuper8- Posts : 362
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Odysseus wrote:This same vague collection of symptoms is called something entirely different in the alternative health world. It’s branded “adrenal fatigue,” an invented condition that’s widely embraced as real among alternative health providers. There’s no evidence that adrenal fatigue actually exists. The public education arm of the Endocrine Society, representing 14,000 endocrinologists, recently issued the following advisory:
“Adrenal fatigue” is not a real medical condition. There are no scientific facts to support the theory that long-term mental, emotional, or physical stress drains the adrenal glands and causes many common symptoms.
Unequivocal words. But facts about adrenal fatigue neatly illustrate why a science-based approach is a consumer’s best protection against being diagnosed with a fake disease.
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/fatigued-by-a-fake-disease/
I'm not interested in getting dragged into a debate about "Adrenal Fatigue"
My point is that if someone asks for help on this forum it should be given in a humble manner. I don't think sarcasm and derision helps people. At least, I haven't known it to thus far in my life, but maybe I will be proved wrong.
So, www.sciencebasedmedicine.org says "Adrenal Fatigue" doesn't exist. Great. Absolutely fine. But what have you done to try and answer the Original Poster's concern about his adrenal health? Is that not more important than us discussing the validity of the term "Adrenal Fatigue"? I mean, who really cares? If you look at the OP's question what he's asking for are tips on optimizing adrenal health.
So you and others don't like the terminology that he has used. Fine. Move beyond that and offer him some advice.
ElmoSuper8- Posts : 362
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
yes salt water is beneficial if you have low blood pressure/blood volume. Adrenal fatigue isn't really people think it is. It's basically just a term to describe a list of symptoms. Now symptoms are much more important to investigate. If you have issues with sweating easily you have to look into Na, K, Mg and calcium. For example when I find myself sweating after a stressful day this is a sign of dehydration along with low magnesium and calcium. If I'm tired for no reason ask yourself if you smoked or ejaculated the day before. In that case you are depleting minerals and the demand for glucose increases. Glucose oxidation is essentially the main currency of energy for every cell now with low blood pressure glucose won't reach cell quick enough. This makes you tired and depressed. Your best bet at beating "adrenal fatigue" is to start studying the vitamins and minerals that govern cellular function, then to expirement. Now since i feel I sometimes don't explain things well enough t help ill give a few examples. When I feel my scalp get oily I know I need biotin, calcium and potassium. After half an hour my scalp feels a tingly and very pleasant sensation kinda light something was real eased.when I feel anxious and nervous I am low in magmesium and have to eat sugar. Withing the same amount of time my whole body is accompanied by a feeling of floating, kind of like when you are high. If you have dry skin you will probably need salt water and drink it until skin feels more loose. Hope this helps.whodathunkit wrote:I HAVE BEEN DIAGNOSED WITH ADRENAL FATIGUE BY MY MEDICAL DOCTOR. She is a regular MD, not a naturopath or any other alternative practitioner.
So much for the term "not meaning anything".
And please, please, please no one else who has never walked a mile in my shoes step to tell me I'm imagining these things worked for me. Take your skepticism and sell it to someone who's buying it. Or better yet, as Elmo said: Blow me. Although maybe I would prefer biting.
Anyway, things that worked for me to help combat adrenal fatigue:
--Salt loading. If you put 1/4 teaspoon of salt in 8oz of water first thing in the morning and it tastes like heaven when you drink it, that can be a good sign that the low aldosterone that is native to adrenal dysfuction is one of your problems. Low aldosterone can cause electrolyte imbalance which increases a need for sodium. But if your salted water doesn't taste so good then you might want to look elsewhere for the source of your fatigue problem.
--Vitamin C (liposomal)
--Adrenergize by Enzymatic Therapy or Dessicated Adrenal by Standard Process (both adrenal glanduralrs
That's all I can think of right now. If anything else occurs I'll chime back in.
danthethinningman- Posts : 125
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
ElmoSuper8 wrote:But what have you done to try and answer the Original Poster's concern about his adrenal health?
What we have done is told him to get TESTS which will tell him everything he needs to know about his adrenal glands. Their function is pretty well known. The hormones they produce are also well known. Therefore, if he checks out on those tests, then he should look for his problem - elsewhere!
The point is that it is so easy to go off the deep end thinking you have something, and trying to treat it, when in fact your problem is something entirely different and waste time and money getting nowhere. I've done it.
DeadlyDevice- Posts : 276
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
To the OP: Sorry about the snarky reply to your question. Personally, I don't think you need to worry about adrenal fatigue because it doesn't exist. Perhaps re=evaluate your condition.
Odysseus- Posts : 636
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Odysseus wrote:To the OP: Sorry about the snarky reply to your question. Personally, I don't think you need to worry about adrenal fatigue because it doesn't exist. Perhaps re=evaluate your condition.
However, I would think that under performing adrenal glands ARE a reality just as under-performing thyroid is a reality. Getting focused on the term "adrenal fatigue" is not the real issue here (as I see it).
ElmoSuper8- Posts : 362
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
ElmoSuper8 wrote:Odysseus wrote:To the OP: Sorry about the snarky reply to your question. Personally, I don't think you need to worry about adrenal fatigue because it doesn't exist. Perhaps re=evaluate your condition.
However, I would think that under performing adrenal glands ARE a reality just as under-performing thyroid is a reality. Getting focused on the term "adrenal fatigue" is not the real issue here (as I see it).
We'll just have to agree that we disagree. If you read any of the links posted, endocrinologists dismiss the idea of "under-performing" adrenal glands. No science behind the theory. Now, you might have a condition known as Addison's disease, but believe me, you'd know it.
Odysseus- Posts : 636
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ElmoSuper8 wrote:
However, I would think that under performing adrenal glands ARE a reality just as under-performing thyroid is a reality. Getting focused on the term "adrenal fatigue" is not the real issue here (as I see it).
And just like with a thyroid problem, this can be measured! There is no need to speculate if you have it or not. Go out there, get the tests. End of story.
DeadlyDevice- Posts : 276
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DeadlyDevice wrote:ElmoSuper8 wrote:
However, I would think that under performing adrenal glands ARE a reality just as under-performing thyroid is a reality. Getting focused on the term "adrenal fatigue" is not the real issue here (as I see it).
And just like with a thyroid problem, this can be measured! There is no need to speculate if you have it or not. Go out there, get the tests. End of story.
Deadly, did you bother to read what StressSucks and Whodathunkit said above? That they had gone out and had it measured! And it was confirmed that their adrenals were not operating in an optimal state.
I can understand if you are debating the terminology "adrenal fatigue" but are you taking it one step further and saying its categorically impossible for the adrenal glands to under-perform?
I mean what are we talking about here? The fact that the term "Adrenal fatigue" is not scientifically valid, or are you saying something else? That its an impossibility for the adrenal glands to perform sub-optimally?
Its hard to know...
ElmoSuper8- Posts : 362
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Everything that I have written so far is in reference to the OP who, as far as I'm aware, has not had any tests yet done. He is asking how to treat adrenal fatigue without even being sure if he has it.
I'm not saying it is impossible for adrenals to underperform, where did you get that?
Also, I find it odd that whodathunkit got diagnosed with adrenal fatigue by a regular MD, when that is not even a recognized condition in allopathic medicine.
I'm not saying it is impossible for adrenals to underperform, where did you get that?
Also, I find it odd that whodathunkit got diagnosed with adrenal fatigue by a regular MD, when that is not even a recognized condition in allopathic medicine.
DeadlyDevice- Posts : 276
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Re: So what are good ways to fix adrenal fatigue?
DeadlyDevice wrote:Everything that I have written so far is in reference to the OP who, as far as I'm aware, has not had any tests yet done. He is asking how to treat adrenal fatigue without even being sure if he has it.
I'm not saying it is impossible for adrenals to underperform, where did you get that?
Also, I find it odd that whodathunkit got diagnosed with adrenal fatigue by a regular MD, when that is not even a recognized condition in allopathic medicine.
Yup. I'll entertain the idea that the adrenals might "underperform", but only briefly. Endocrinologists refute the idea, basically saying that the adrenals either work or. . . .they don't.
Odysseus- Posts : 636
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