OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Imo, it's not really necessarily to do the genetic tests, as you can ''muscle test'' and find what you need the most (with sort of trial and error). If you wish to analyze the theory more deeply while examining your behavior and health status (body, infections, blood data, medical history, etc..) you can get in the right direction also by doing all that - i know i have. Another options are tests - not so cheap, but probably the most worthy. However tests will tell you your genes, but not exactly what's happening in your body (epigenetics). Note that there are also people with various polymorphisms doing just great, and there are people genetically ''clear'' with health problems and benefit with MTHFR supplements. There are a way more things to look after to be sure what's going one overall. Also while methylation is huge, it's not detox pathway for all the possible toxins, but small percent of those (necessarily for a whole a lot different things over the body). Thus many will not benefit a whole lot by addressing methylation for everything. For example, detoxing mold happens via different detox pathway, so taking other things (also found in some methylation protocols that care to take things more holistically) are necessarily, if certain toxic accumulation is problematic.

While taking methylation supporting supps, you will not feel so great if you go into overmethylation. Unless there is severe toxic burden that means to proceed with doing, while additional support to detox pathways, it's indicator to lower the dose. Of course, there are people who understand things more in depth as dr. Lynch and have mass of people - various patients behind, so they can talk from experiences. A general rule is to have a bottle of niacin to stop/slowing down the process, while doing liver and antioxidant support.

I benefited from it, i dont doubt about it and found, b6 is what i was missing the most. After some time, you even wont take you every day. I am fairly sure my genetics has a role due connections pointing towards these direction while examining my relatives, but i have yet to make a test. Since 23andme are down, the non expensive solutions are not so easy to find, but i need it only to prove my point.

After addressing methylation, iodine is next ''huge'' thing for me.

I've been taking P5P since I first started active folate (I've been taking methylcobalamin for a long time, although, I realize now, not in therapeutic dosages).  Interestingly, I tried taking P5P a while back, without the active folate, and it kind of made me cranky and a bit wired.

Honestly, I think all the detoxing/chelating I did a couple years ago prepped me for this.  If I'd gone straight into methylation protocol before doing all the other stuff I learned from this board, I probably would have tanked again.  For me, iodine was the *first* huge thing.  When I was finally able to tolerate that was when I truly began to feel better, and the well-being wasn't utterly transitory.  IMO iodine is definitely a key link in the chain.  But addressing ATP production via methylation and some adjunct supplements is, I think, the missing link.  For me, anyway.

I'm not terribly worried about overmethylation at this point because I don't plan to overdo it.  I'm not really sick or debilitated...I know what happened to me and I did it to myself with a crappy lifestyle.  So I'm not really going to push the boundaries much with methylation supplements, except where it comes to tweaking dosages of B12.  I'm not pushing to up intake of methylfolate or carnitine fumarate, etc., because I'm feeling good on what I'm doing now, which is basic dosages.  There's no need.  

Like you, I want the MTHFR tests not necessarily to diagnose myself, but just to see.  It doesn't really matter to me if I have  MTHFR defect or not, I will continue to take these supplements as long as they make me feel good.  Although having a MTHFR defect might make it possible to get my FSA to pay for my OTC supplements, now that I think about it.  LOL

Anyway, the Phoenix Rising forums (phoenixrising-dot-me), and especially posts by a guy named Freddd are excellent for exploring the ramifications of using supplements for methylation, for anyone who's interested.  It's a mainly a forum for Chronic Fatigues sufferers, but there's Lyme people and others on there.  Some of the people are really, heart-achingly sick, but the information is fantastic.

Thanks for the tip beebrox. I had already picked up the drops and they contained cyanocobalamin unfortunately. Im not finding anything online for infants containing the other 2 forms you mentioned. CS had recommended that my wife take this http://www.thorne.com/Products/Vitamins/prd~B129.jsp during her pregnancy so hopefully it beefed up my little guy in the womb.

Dr Stephanie Cave just replied to an email of mine and told me about these drops that she has her patients use which contain methylcobalamin. In case you havent heard of her she almost exclusively deals with autistic children and works to reverse their conditions within the childs limits. She has also written books on vaccinating. Anyways if anyone is thinking about having a baby, here is the link to the drops.

http://www.klaire.com/prod/proddetail.asp?id=K-MVL

It's worth mentioning that the common gut dysfunction seen in autism is also prevalent in today's world. It's the food and disruption of the sulfur cycle.

Glyphosate I think is one of the major factors in this equation.

http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/4/1416

See (above), there's a reason for the common MTHFr and Cyp450 enzyme problems.

Today we are seeing a problem with obesity never seen prior to 1976, gut integrity problems not seen at that time.

CausticSymmetry wrote:It's worth mentioning that the common gut dysfunction seen in autism is also prevalent in today's world. It's the food and disruption of the sulfur cycle.

Glyphosate I think is one of the major factors in this equation.

http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/4/1416

See (above), there's a reason for the common MTHFr and Cyp450 enzyme problems.

Today we are seeing a problem with obesity never seen prior to 1976, gut integrity problems not seen at that time.

I never had any issues with sulfur until I fell sick and developed IBS. So gut is much related, thanks for the link.

"Friends of the Earth Europe's spokesperson Adrian Bebb said: "Most people will be worried to discover they may have weed killer in their bodies. We tested people living in cities in 18 countries and found traces in every country. These results suggest we are being exposed to glyphosate in our everyday lives, yet we don't know where it is coming from, how widespread it is in the environment, or what it is doing to our health.

"Our testing highlights a serious lack of action by public authorities across Europe and indicates that this weed killer is being widely overused. Governments need to step-up their monitoring and bring in urgent measures to reduce its use. This includes rejecting any genetically modified crops that would increase the use of glyphosate.""

Mercola has an article on glyphosate.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/02/13/glyphosate-ddt-alzheimers.aspx?e_cid=20140213Z2_DNL_art_1&utm_source=dnl&utm_medium=email&utm_content=art1&utm_campaign=20140213Z2&et_cid=DM39264&et_rid=426031417

I'm sure it's not just one thing causing autism, but I'm also sure the current vaccination schedule could push vulnerable kids over the edge.

Delphine wrote:I'm sure it's not just one thing causing autism, but I'm also sure the current vaccination schedule could push vulnerable kids over the edge.

Finally, we agree again!

How significant is it that the mother detoxes into the fetus? Do heavy metals leave the mother and enter the fetus?

Beebrox wrote:


Caffeine is a poison, not everybody can deal with it equally. Probably more people drink it as they should. But of course, lots of ways to handle it properly. I like to take some extra magnesium, carbs and b3 with it, and it prevents to lost control while driving 300HP engine. Plenty of other fluids also...

http://carcin.oxfordjournals.org/content/18/1/207.short

Hi Beebrox,I thought that coffe is good for you . Sorry for OT but what is your diet like Beebrox, how is your hair ? Many long-lived people drink coffe and eat chocolate as I know.

Saying particular food is good/bad is ignoring the context. I too like coffee, but handle life well without it. It's where my adrenals are attacked, and with out some protection i am in stress. I don't like stress, even it's from boss, TV, or caffeine. So I never drink caffeine on empty stomach for example. It's also true that i feel every molecule of caffeine as haven't gotten to the point of caffeine tolerance yet. It might suit me well later in life, but drink green tea instead, 2 or more a day - for the other benefits. Regardless of the drinker, the liver will have to fight through the caffeine. Not everybody deals equally with it...

My diet is rather boring: low carbs, a bit more proteins, and high fat. I eat meat 6,8/7 a week, also plenty of green vegetables. If i have a chance i would eat organ meat, if not regular chicken or beef or turkey or fish. Try to get as much sulfur as i can, and i take pill/ or brocolli sprout if i dont... I eat on the budget also.  Many different fruits in small quantities.  If the source of citrus fruit is good, i would clean it and eat it whole -with a peel. Gluten and grain free. Alcohol free, unless i i am not on anti - candida regimen.

Do my own raw milk probiotics, and eat raw/semi raw (depends on the source) eggs. I make my own chocolate. There is no place in excess sugar...

I went through a lot of shedding in last 8 months while doing detox, methylation and iodine protocol (and mistakes). I am hairloss free for last 3-4 months, while improving the quality. I might be regrowing some hairline hair lately, but didn't take pictures back then.  I still feel i am on start of everything, as there is plenty things to do on my list- although i am rather old forum member who did a lot until found his ''cure''. I dont do manuals or topicals and since i dont, the fight was more towards ''overall health'' direction...

angstman wrote:How significant is it that the mother detoxes into the fetus?  Do heavy metals leave the mother and enter the fetus?

It's significant (amount of heavy metals) given to the infant. Vitamin D levels are important for that reason to help raise glutathione.

Re coffee, recently I got off it (again).  I never drank more than a cup/day, but I concluded it was one of the factors
hindering my health.  I read this book which helped convince me:
http://www.amazon.com/Kicking-coffee-habit-Charles-Wetherall/dp/0936750022

Dr. Perricone is adamant about cutting out coffee, not because of the caffeine, but because it raises cortisol levels:
http://www.dailyperricone.com/2010/03/cortisol-the-death-hormone/

Coffee contains a number of organic acids that affect blood sugar and cortisol levels.  This is not due to the caffeine.  For example, you can drink a cup of decaffeinated coffee at 8am and your cortisol levels will still be measurable at 10pm-the same as if you had drunk regular coffee.

I gave up alcohol as well. It too raises cortisol.
And hey, isn't high cortisol linked to hair loss?

I can't help wondering whether all the hype we read about how healthy coffee is, may be led by the financial interests luring us
into a sense of false security.  Coffee is big business.

http://healthland.time.com/2014/02/14/children-exposed-to-more-brain-harming-chemicals-than-ever-before/

angstman wrote:http://healthland.time.com/2014/02/14/children-exposed-to-more-brain-harming-chemicals-than-ever-before/

The article forgot to mention aluminum, BPA, glyphosate, bromide, Lead (Pb)...at least of the big ones we have some control over.

Yes, you should not drink it on empty stomach. Just drink it with milk (raw), orange juice, honey or something like this. Also gelatin could be useful. I like the last post by Edward :
http://www.raypeatforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=1543&start=10

So what about green coffee bean extract to help blood sugar control? I've been trying that with better success than I had with berberine, and it's less expensive.

The chlorogenic acid in coffee does not affect cortisol, correct? Only the caffeine does that...?

whodathunkit wrote:So what about green coffee bean extract to help blood sugar control?  I've been trying that with better success than I had with berberine, and it's less expensive.

The chlorogenic acid in coffee does not affect cortisol, correct?  Only the caffeine does that...?

Perricone said it's not due to the caffeine, but the organic acids in the coffee. It happens with decaf, too.

Dunno if this applies to green coffee bean extract. I've heard it's important to supplement zinc, iron, and magnesium if taking it.

S#!%!  I knew about mag and zinc but didn't know chlorogenic acid would deplete iron.   I knew coffee would but didn't think it was that. Guess I'd better re-think the green coffee extract.  I can't afford to lose any more iron right now.  

whodathunkit wrote:S#!%!  I knew about mag and zinc but didn't know chlorogenic acid would deplete iron.   I knew coffee would but didn't think it was that.  Guess I'd better re-think the green coffee extract.  I can't afford to lose any more iron right now.  

Well, there's always blackstrap molasses Which, btw, goes well in coffee, for those who drink it.

CausticSymmetry wrote:Delphine - You probably noticed in those Facebook discussions that if you have some solid arguments, they usually just skirt around them.

There's some interesting stuff on this page here about autism correlations.

http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/

rdkml - I agree. The telecommunications industry has prevented important research from being published, showing the effects of autism with sleeping mothers near EMF's, wi-fi, smart meters, etc. And yes, mycoplasma is routinely found to be contaminated in vaccines. Even if their theory of disease were true (which it isn't), the mycoplasma alone is a reason to avoid them.

Those that have recovered (autism reversals) have heavy metal cleaning, parasites, no more GMO's, and avoidance of dirty electricity/EMF/Wi-fi (especially smart meters).

Hi Caustic! I was wondering when you say people who recover from autism do it thorough parasites do you mean they introduce parasites into their body to clean up the metals and other toxins or do you mean they get rid of parasites that were in the body beforehand?

On one hand you have a lot of people who think that it was normal for humans to live with parasites and it helps the immune system in some ways. Humans were meant to live on farms and be around dirty animals and so on. I would agree with this as well because I noticed the people who are super obsessive compulsive about cleaning and sterility, showering twice a day (even while our state has been in a multi-year long drought), washing their hands religiously, they tend to get sick ALL the time!

On the other hand, when you look at the big diseases of the 20th century, the charts all show that they all tapered off to being rare occurences YEARS before the vaccine was invented. So the anti-vaccine crowd says that it's because of cleaner lifestyles brought on during those years. What do you think?

My child is 4 now, was never vaccinated, very healthy and smart child. I don't plan on ever having her injected with any so-called vaccines. She is a healthy child.

Espio - I am generally pro-getting dirty (exposing ourselves to soil/elements). People are generally healthier when they do so. Research shows this. So in regards to say developing countries, one may notice that Hindus can expose themselves to large quantities of polluted water for drinking or bathing. They do not get sick anymore than we do. Their microbiota is more dynamic.

However, in the case of autism, they have a rather narrow range of microbiota. For whatever reasons, some of the recoveries that involve a certain protocol are finding a lot of worms/parasites coming out. In this case, it's a protocol that involves diet (non-GMO) no-grains, mebendazole (non-systemic anti-fungal) that attacks the eggs, a steady stream of chlorine dioxide. Large expellation of worms is not uncommon in these cases. It is followed by a recovery in the symptoms.

Anyway, I totally agree with your observation. Many of my paranoid friends who continually subscribe to the fear based germ theory and propaganda continually get sick. When they express to me their fears. I say, if I were you, I would be more worried about those Rx drugs your taking than any germs.

Colum wrote:My child is 4 now, was never vaccinated, very healthy and smart child. I don't plan on ever having her injected with any so-called vaccines. She is a healthy child.

Awesome, way to go!