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All we need is to remove the sebum
What do you think?
Benedict Palermi using herbs to clean the scalp remove sebum and allow hair to regrow out healthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ80u2RoX7o&feature=related
Herbal treatments for balding or thinning hair. Benedict Palermi, from Brooklyn, NY, and now from Honolulu, Hawaii has been a hair stylist for 25 years. He's treating baldness and thinning hair with an herbal concoction that really works. That's why I am putting him out there, my own testament to his fabulous and effective work. This TV news segment, MIXED PLATE, with Pamela Young of KITV shows Benedict and his treatments.
ACV, coconut oil, etc.. is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?
Benedict Palermi using herbs to clean the scalp remove sebum and allow hair to regrow out healthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ80u2RoX7o&feature=related
Herbal treatments for balding or thinning hair. Benedict Palermi, from Brooklyn, NY, and now from Honolulu, Hawaii has been a hair stylist for 25 years. He's treating baldness and thinning hair with an herbal concoction that really works. That's why I am putting him out there, my own testament to his fabulous and effective work. This TV news segment, MIXED PLATE, with Pamela Young of KITV shows Benedict and his treatments.
ACV, coconut oil, etc.. is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?
teacup- Posts : 966
Join date : 2010-08-24
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
teacup wrote:What do you think?
Benedict Palermi using herbs to clean the scalp remove sebum and allow hair to regrow out healthy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ80u2RoX7o&feature=related
Herbal treatments for balding or thinning hair. Benedict Palermi, from Brooklyn, NY, and now from Honolulu, Hawaii has been a hair stylist for 25 years. He's treating baldness and thinning hair with an herbal concoction that really works. That's why I am putting him out there, my own testament to his fabulous and effective work. This TV news segment, MIXED PLATE, with Pamela Young of KITV shows Benedict and his treatments.
ACV, coconut oil, etc.. is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?
Watched the video and was amazed, but, I am not sure that this is the solution. Overproduction of sebum is just a symptom as wall as hair loss. I would rather hit the cause, instead of focusing on symptoms. I would combine it with some diet and regimen. Just my opinion...
jeruslan- Posts : 148
Join date : 2010-09-21
Location : Slovakia
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
teacup wrote: is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?
Rather the build-up of corneocytes. It is best to reduce the proliferation of keratinocytes and increase apoptosis in corneocytes by lowering free-IGF-1 and increasing IGFBP's, while at the same time, exfoliate the scalp. I use Dr. Bronners Magic Peppermint Soap (as a shampoo) and a boar-bristle-brush to exfoliate my scalp and I feel it does a darn good job!
misterE- Posts : 753
Join date : 2010-05-15
Location : USA
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
What is the best topical for removing sebum???
First sentence in english please??????
misterE wrote:teacup wrote: is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?
Rather the build-up of corneocytes. It is best to reduce the proliferation of keratinocytes and increase apoptosis in corneocytes by lowering free-IGF-1 and increasing IGFBP's, while at the same time, exfoliate the scalp. I use Dr. Bronners Magic Peppermint Soap (as a shampoo) and a boar-bristle-brush to exfoliate my scalp and I feel it does a darn good job!
First sentence in english please??????
abc123- Posts : 1128
Join date : 2010-07-31
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
abc123 wrote:misterE wrote: Rather the build-up of corneocytes. It is best to reduce the proliferation of keratinocytes and increase apoptosis in corneocytes by lowering free-IGF-1 and increasing IGFBP's, while at the same time, exfoliate the scalp. I use Dr. Bronners Magic Peppermint Soap (as a shampoo) and a boar-bristle-brush to exfoliate my scalp and I feel it does a darn good job!
First sentence in english please??????
Keratinocytes are skin-cells beneath the surface of the scalp, as they age they gradually move up towards the surface of the scalp. When they finally reach the surface of the scalp they are called corneocytes. So when the keratinocytes move up towards the surface of the scalp and turn into corneocytes, they are suppose to be shed or fall off. This process is under the control of free-IGF-1 and IGFBP-3. The free-IGF-1 promotes the growth of keratinocytes while IGFBP-3 promotes the shedding of corneocytes. However in men with baldness, there is an overproduction of keratinocytes and an underproduction of corneocyte-apoptosis (death). This causes skin-cells to literally build-up on top of hair follicles trapping sebum underneath. The trapped sebum has nowhere to go and is eaten by a bacterium called P.Acnes and other scalp-parasites like Malassezia-furfur and P.Ovale. The human body is very intelligent and the immune-system picks up on these microscopic-parasites and attacks they with an auto immune-response called inflammation.
misterE- Posts : 753
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Location : USA
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
Thanks for explaining, it does make sense to me (but I'm not a doctor or biologist).
CS, jdp, and others
Where do you agree and where do you disagree with the above view explained by Mister E?
(sorry I am not trying to start a debate, but I want to know if you share Mister E's view of the role of free-IGF-1 and IGFBP-3, how the sebum is trapped, the bacterium and inflammation. All points of views are worth considering.)
CS, jdp, and others
Where do you agree and where do you disagree with the above view explained by Mister E?
(sorry I am not trying to start a debate, but I want to know if you share Mister E's view of the role of free-IGF-1 and IGFBP-3, how the sebum is trapped, the bacterium and inflammation. All points of views are worth considering.)
teacup- Posts : 966
Join date : 2010-08-24
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
Removing sebum is easy, use a harsh soap. In fact, use straight Dr. Bronner's (undiluted), and see what it does to your scalp. It'll get so shiny that you could use it as a mirror.
It's not a matter of removal, its a matter of regulation. Will an excess of hormones cause keratinocyte activity to rise? Sure it will, it is among the reasons teenagers get acne. To assume these hormones, which naturally occur in the body regardless of they are stimulated by outside forces, are the cause of said evil is ridiculous for reasons of just common sense. Again, it's not a matter of removal, it's a matter of regulation. It is not the hormones themselves that cause the problem, it's your body's reaction to them. Having an excess of IGF-1 will cause issues, but typical production in a body that is equipped to handle it's presence will promote health, not detriment it. Why? Because that is the body's natural state, and the closer you get to your natural state, the more healthy you'll become. Can I prove this? Why should I need to, nature has done it for me.
In any case, removing the sebum is easy. Hell, even keeping the sebum at bay once you've removed what you have is easy enough with the lithium/dmso combo. The issue with hardened skin/fungal infections on the scalp is that you have to be wildly proactive in combating it. Some people can use a simple antifungal and be okay, but in my case, I have to use antifungals, enzymes, lithium, and anti irritants just to make any kind of progress. All I'm saying is that it isn't all that hard to keep things in check, it's just something you're going to have to stay on top of unless you have an extremely clean diet jdp style, or take lots of great supplements cs style. It's not rocket science, just extreme diligence.
It's not a matter of removal, its a matter of regulation. Will an excess of hormones cause keratinocyte activity to rise? Sure it will, it is among the reasons teenagers get acne. To assume these hormones, which naturally occur in the body regardless of they are stimulated by outside forces, are the cause of said evil is ridiculous for reasons of just common sense. Again, it's not a matter of removal, it's a matter of regulation. It is not the hormones themselves that cause the problem, it's your body's reaction to them. Having an excess of IGF-1 will cause issues, but typical production in a body that is equipped to handle it's presence will promote health, not detriment it. Why? Because that is the body's natural state, and the closer you get to your natural state, the more healthy you'll become. Can I prove this? Why should I need to, nature has done it for me.
In any case, removing the sebum is easy. Hell, even keeping the sebum at bay once you've removed what you have is easy enough with the lithium/dmso combo. The issue with hardened skin/fungal infections on the scalp is that you have to be wildly proactive in combating it. Some people can use a simple antifungal and be okay, but in my case, I have to use antifungals, enzymes, lithium, and anti irritants just to make any kind of progress. All I'm saying is that it isn't all that hard to keep things in check, it's just something you're going to have to stay on top of unless you have an extremely clean diet jdp style, or take lots of great supplements cs style. It's not rocket science, just extreme diligence.
TheFunkyStumpfighter- Posts : 220
Join date : 2009-11-13
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
teacup - What misterE is saying is correct. However, in regards to the topic of the thread, removing sebum will help, but it will not stop hair loss. What it will do is slow the process down.
Even normalizing sebum secretion through diet or other means will only work to an extent. I have a topical that I add to a shampoo that works quite well for eliminating sebum excess. It will not change the autocrine and paracrine actions from kerotinocytes to the invagination of the hair bulb via dermal papilla.
Eliminating sebum is dealing with the symptom.
Note the peppermint oil is a type of androgen blockade.
Even normalizing sebum secretion through diet or other means will only work to an extent. I have a topical that I add to a shampoo that works quite well for eliminating sebum excess. It will not change the autocrine and paracrine actions from kerotinocytes to the invagination of the hair bulb via dermal papilla.
Eliminating sebum is dealing with the symptom.
Note the peppermint oil is a type of androgen blockade.
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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
CausticSymmetry wrote:
I have a topical that I add to a shampoo that works quite well for eliminating sebum excess. It will not change the autocrine and paracrine actions from kerotinocytes to the invagination of the hair bulb via dermal papilla.
What's the topical?
CausticSymmetry wrote:
Note the peppermint oil is a type of androgen blockade.
is that good or bad?
teacup- Posts : 966
Join date : 2010-08-24
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
that would be dmso and lithium look at his topicals page.
Balthier- Posts : 394
Join date : 2010-05-25
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
[quote="teacup"]
I'd like to know the answer to this too if CS could spare the time. I've just added some DMSO and 1 crushed lithium tablet to Dr. Bronners Peppermint soap (the liquid castille stuff).
Would like to know if I should have used something else instead?
CausticSymmetry wrote:CausticSymmetry wrote:
Note the peppermint oil is a type of androgen blockade.
is that good or bad?
I'd like to know the answer to this too if CS could spare the time. I've just added some DMSO and 1 crushed lithium tablet to Dr. Bronners Peppermint soap (the liquid castille stuff).
Would like to know if I should have used something else instead?
Maelstrom- Posts : 10
Join date : 2010-08-30
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
Sebum ---- Fungus ----- Inflammation
Decro435- Posts : 588
Join date : 2009-06-25
Age : 34
Location : Ireland
Re: All we need is to remove the sebum
No arguements there. Just wanting to check that an 'androgen blockade' is a good thing.
Maelstrom- Posts : 10
Join date : 2010-08-30
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