Topical To Deal With Scalp Inflammation.

Decro435 Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:05 pm

I'm looking to create a Topical that will ultimately deal with my Scalp Inflammation. I've noticed that the days where I have no scalp inflammation I lose less hair, feel better and I'm much happier. Unfortunately, the only times I've actually had no inflammation since my hair loss began 4 years ago was when using either Finasteride or the first week of using Iodine.

I really don't know which way to go with this. Whether it's blood flow, Scalp Parasites or just DHT related, I want a multi-sided approach. I know a lot of guys here suffer scalp inflammation so this would be very helpful. It seems though that the two things that have helped me with inflammation have been internal and I've run out of internal options to use. Finasteride causes terrible side effects and Iodine lost it's effectiveness and caused severe heart pains to the point of nearly fainting. I seem to suffer inflammation 10x worse than most. So what can I do?.

There's many ingredients for Topicals that are supposed to help, but I know most of them won't work.

Tea Tree Oil
Lavender Oil
Jojoba Oil
Grapeseed Oil
Rosemary Oil
Cedarwood Oil
Peppermint Oil
Olive Oil
Neem Oil
Coconut Oil
Eucalyptus Oil

Ketoconazole
Miconazole
Zinc Oxide
Selenium Sulfate

Apple Cider Vinegar
Borax

Hot/Cold Showers
Head Massage

These are only off the top of my head, there's probably 100's more. Have any of you guys fully eradicated Scalp Inflammation with a Topical regimen?.

Amaranthaceae Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:16 pm

In my 4 year battle with genetic vulnerable hair loss, I have reached the conclusion that the
inflammation you mention, is not treateable effectively from the outside. It comes from inside, and the
symptoms cannot be controlled externally.

valderama Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:50 pm

i dont suffer from any visible scalp inflammation and i m no expert but I agree with cpio. I do think topicals can help greatly but I would think you need to close the stable doors before the horses have bolted. Seems to me a good approach would be to tinker with your diet myself i have quit sugar and gluten which i m hoping will help starve any harmful parasites. I m guessing an internal and external treatment would me the best course of action.

Decro435 Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:56 am

But Diet just doesn't seem to work, I've eaten healthy for long periods and inflammation stays much the same. I eat extremely healthy in comparison with my friends.

misterE Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:40 am

Decro435 wrote:But Diet just doesn't seem to work, I've eaten healthy for long periods and inflammation stays much the same. I eat extremely healthy in comparison with my friends.

Please list everything you eat and everything you avoid.

Misirlou Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:11 am

Good suggestion misterE, sometimes healthy-looking foods are not that healthy. You should also try to figure out what kind of body type you have according to Ayurveda medicine. I've also heard that a lot of healthy foods should not be eaten together, but rather separately.

pancacke Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:24 am

For diet I would listen to Ih jdp they have genuine knowledge about this stuff.

Topicaly you can try:
IH topical
clay
iodine
oils
kefir

Important is using an organic shampoo and finding a good shedule for yourself

Balthier Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:00 am

Kefir and aloe vera help with inflammation topically and take the ACV internally.

lambyjay Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:03 am

I suffer from incredible inflammation at times and its absolutely infuriating. I have found that the only thing that really helps is doing scalp excercises as described on the hairloss-reversible.com website. This hasnt stopped me losing my hair but I feel it has definately slowed it down expecially as it thickens up the hair in the crown area. Evertime I feel the itch coming on I do this excercise and the itching subsides. Topicals are so messy and hard to leave on. I actually found a topical that really helped with inflammation is -
- onion juice (smelly but effective!)
- nettle tea (you can buy the stuffin supermarkets but real nettles are 10x better)
- lavender oil
- aloe vera gel
- sea salt

You can put other stuff in there like tea tree oil that all help a lot as well but its hard to get time to use this messy topical. 20 minutes before a shower is kinda ideal.

Actually just a question for anyone who can tell me -
Why is it that itching subsides for people on finasteride but seems to increase for those on Saw Palmetto/ Beta-Sit?
I thought they were supposed to do roughly the same function?

thissucks Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:27 pm

cpio wrote:In my 4 year battle with genetic vulnerable hair loss, I have reached the conclusion that the
inflammation you mention, is not treateable effectively from the outside. It comes from inside, and the
symptoms cannot be controlled externally.

Couldn't agree more.

misterE Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:30 pm

pancacke wrote:For diet I would listen to Ih jdp they have genuine knowledge about this stuff.

I strongly disagree with this statement. IH recommends a high-saturated-fat/meat-based diet low in fiber and phytonutrients/antioxidants. I believe this type of diet is what gave us hair-loss in the first place.

nidhogge Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:24 pm

misterE--

Seems that when I had a high glycemic diet that my hair loss was triggered. Too many carbs and sweets. Factor in alcohol too in college and beyond and that was a high inflammation factor.

pancacke Mon Oct 18, 2010 11:13 pm

mistere
From what I read IH never advised a meatbased diet, he thinks that different people do better with meat in their diet and others do not.
Avoid sugar, "bad" fats, civilized foods-is what i remember and try to stick with.

LittleFighter Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:55 am

MisterE,

Your diet is rich in wheat (major player in many diseases), phyto-toxins, phytic acid, anti nutrients, carbs, etc. That's a recipe for inflammation, leaky gut, auto-immune problems, hypothyroidism, dysbiosis... you name it.

Seems that MisterE's claims and recommendations match those given by the FDA... and who's been killing americans for years with contradicting and errated information???? Your diet seems extremely inflammatory, contradicting research:

http://coolinginflammation.blogspot.com/search/label/anti-inflammatory%20diet

The Kitavans consume a diet fairly high in carbs (but no wheat, grains or processed crap, or things like the omega-6 you promote) but also high in saturated fat. They also consume fish (yeah ANIMAL foods). They are hyper healthy and a model of study.

The myth that meat and saturated fats are evil has been dispelled long time ago. Saturated fat is healthy and it's needed for omega-3 to do its work (Art Ayers, Ph.D).

I won't say that and all meat and veggies is healthy for everyone, some people need more carbs/starches (HEALTHY ONES, no freaking wheat, corn, soy, etc... think potatoes), including myself...

Decro,

If you have seb. derm. or dandruff (sources of destructive inflammation), don't waste time and attack it with Vinegar. Use it daily, the white kind (cheaper) and in full strength, leave overnight if you can.

misterE Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:22 am

pancacke wrote: "bad" fats

What is your definition of "bad-fats"?

To me, all fats are bad except the essential-fatty-acids (omega-3 and omega-6) and even those need to be in a certain balance 4 to 1 ratio of omega-6 to omega-3. All other fats like trans, saturated and monounsaturated are unessential and serve absolutely no purpose in the body other than to provide extra calories in the form of body-fat.

LittleFighter Tue Oct 19, 2010 2:30 am

I should add...

The Kitavans consume most of their fat as SATURATED fat, very very little poly- and slightly more mono-.

People need to consume huge and unhealthy amounts of omega-3 (fragile fats) to offset the omega-6s and lack of saturated fat to see results (for instance inflammation reduction).

Sorry for going off topic....

misterE Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:40 am

LittleFighter wrote:
People need to consume huge and unhealthy amounts of omega-3 (fragile fats) to offset the omega-6s and lack of saturated fat to see results (for instance inflammation reduction).

You do realize the body makes all the saturated-fat it needs on its own right? Eating saturated-fat will automatically be stored as body-fat. And body-fat secretes inflammatory-cytokines, estrogens and decreases insulin-sensitivity.

TheFunkyStumpfighter Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:52 am

Eating saturated-fat will automatically be stored as body-fat.

No, it doesn't, and the people here have been providing overwhelming proof of that for you specifically going on 6 months now.

pancacke Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:01 am

LittleFighter wrote:People need to consume huge and unhealthy amounts of omega-3 (fragile fats) to offset the omega-6s and lack of saturated fat to see results (for instance inflammation reduction).

For inflammation reduction, what's the ratio we are looking for? How much krill oil would be needed in your opinion?

ubraj Tue Oct 19, 2010 5:15 am

misterE wrote:
You do realize the body makes all the saturated-fat it needs on its own right? Eating saturated-fat will automatically be stored as body-fat. And body-fat secretes inflammatory-cytokines, estrogens and decreases insulin-sensitivity.

FWIW, I've been consuming HUGE amounts of saturated fat and my total cholesterol fell 40 points.

To avoid confusion, I should mention that not all saturated fat is the same.

misterE Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:06 am

TheFunkyStumpfighter wrote:
Eating saturated-fat will automatically be stored as body-fat.

No, it doesn't, and the people here have been providing overwhelming proof of that for you specifically going on 6 months now.

Actually, if you read the thread called the fat you eat is the fat you wear , I carefully explain how all fat (even omega-3) is automatically stored as body-fat. When confronted about this, CS refused to answer my question four or five times and even threatened to ban me towards the end of the thread! He (nor anyone else) showed any evidence to the contrary.

You can make claims that you have been "providing overwhelming proof" all you want, but under close inspection, you really haven't.

tooyoung Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:11 am

Having a quick look through that topic, he didn't really single you out, or threaten to ban you.

He clearly stated that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and are unlikely to change and the constant debate between people about diets may result in him having to ban people, if that stops the problems.

misterE Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:13 am

pancacke wrote:
For inflammation reduction, what's the ratio we are looking for? How much krill oil would be needed in your opinion?

For inflammation reduction, you want to eliminate as much trans, saturated and monounsaturated-fats and consume omega-6 and omega-3 essential-fatty-acids in a 4:1 or 3:1 ratio as it is found in most vegetables, legumes, fruits and whole-grains.

Cutting out these fats from your diet will lessen the amount in which they are incorporated into your body-fat. What is interesting is that body-fat is actually an endocrine-organ much like the liver, pancreas or kidneys and it secretes powerful cytokines that dictate the level of inflammation in the body, not to mention body-fat contains aromatase, which creates estrogens.

misterE Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:14 am

tooyoung wrote:Having a quick look through that topic, he didn't really single you out, or threaten to ban you.

He clearly stated that everyone is entitled to their own opinion and are unlikely to change and the constant debate between people about diets may result in him having to ban people, if that stops the problems.

CausticSymmetry wrote:Attention:

In the interest of keeping this forum only on hair issues can we stop the diet debates?

I really doubt that anyone is going to change their opinions.

If this keeps up, I'll have no choice but to ban. This forum was once an exclusive place to talk about hair loss using natural methods. As the founder, I intend to keep it that way.

tooyoung Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:16 am

"can we stop the diet debates?"
"I really doubt that anyone is going to change their opinions."
"If this keeps up, I'll have no choice but to ban."

Didn't quote you, or mention your name.

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