Nettle Root

I have been taking Nettle Root for about 8 months. There may be some problems because of raising free testosterone. Isn't it that you want to lower free testosterone instead of raising it. Wouldn't this cause an excess of DHT from the Testosterone freed up and attacking your hair? Maybe Nettle Root is why I lost a bunch of hair. Alot of the reports on it looked at its anti-inflammatory affect and SHBG affect and not the fact that some of this excess freed up testosterone-- then--DHT may be attacking your hairline or scalp. Caustic have you heard of Nettle Root causing a problem for some people? Thanks.

Why would there be excess DHT
the natural DHT blockers, from what i heard and read, do not change the serum blood levels of DHT, they simply preven the already present DHT from attaching to the androgen receptors at the base of the hair follicles. they also do the same on the prostate.

danmrtini - I never heard or recall any negative reports from users of nettle. At one point in time, I used it for a period. What are you taking overall?

Supplements:Pygeum Extract 25mg
Nettle Root Extract 300mg
Fish Oil 1000mg
Gotu Kola 100mg
Acetyl-L-Carnitine 250mg
Grape Seed Extract 50mg
Blueberry Leaf Extract 60mg


Soy Protein 2x a week
Advanced Whey Protein 1-2x

Aubrey Organics Shampoo--Blue Cammomile
Aubrey Organics Conditioner--Glycogen Balancing
Nizoral 3x a week
5% Minoxidil 1x


Had a hair sample taken 1 month ago with results:
Low Potassium
Low Selenium
Low Copper
Low L-Methione
Low DL-Phenlalanine
Low Tyrosine
Low a bunch Amino Acids
Low Adrenal
Low Immuni


Just Added:
Prox-N(Copper Peptide Formula)2x
Adding Potassium Chloride 1x
Mag Oil
Milk Thistle(Had Gallbladder out last Sept)

danmrtini - What you stated here is very revealing.

Honestly, I wouldn't expect much in the way of positive results from what you've listed.

Acetyl L-Carnitine generates ATP, but shouldn't be used without lipoic acid, as it can increase free-radicals.

I have a section about gallbladder removal/post cholecystetomy on this page.

http://www.immortalhair.org/physiology.htm

Essentially, bile salts are essential and without them it will be extremely difficult to help hair loss. Bile is one of the most
powerful antioxidants in the body and it protects against pathogens. Without a gallbladder the increased prevalence of skin diseases is almost certain. Bile coats acts like a barrier and protects waste matter from reentering the system.

I read this before. Great information, and that's why I just added Milk Thistle. I think I bought them from Gallbladder Attack.com (bile salts). But it was like HCL hydrochloric acid and gave me reflux, breathing problems and stabbing chest and lower abdomen pains. Apple Cider Vinegar did this to me as well. Is there any alternative. I just started Milk Thistle. Maybe add Artichoke to stimulate bile.


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HanginInthere wrote:Why would there be excess DHT
the natural DHT blockers, from what i heard and read, do not change the serum blood levels of DHT, they simply preven the already present DHT from attaching to the androgen receptors at the base of the hair follicles. they also do the same on the prostate.

Nettle seems somewhat contradictory in nature. One of Nettle's properties is that it decreases SHBG.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9434605?ordinalpos=3&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

SHBG binds to testosterone, if SHBG is inhibited it leads to a greater amount of free testosterone. This free testosterone is "free" to convert to DHT, thereby increasing DHT.

Here's a somewhat interesting discussion...
http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-articles/87565-nettle-root-increases.html

As far as the Acetyl-l-Carnitine goes. I couldn't take ALA because it caused me serious reflux problems. So I switched to green tea and then blueberry leaf extract. I added ecklonia cava but had problems there too. So I added grape seed extract. Probably blueberry and grape seed extract aren't powerful enough to keep up with the Acetyl-l-Carnitine. I am going to try Resveratrol and Biocurcumin soon as well. Do you think they might give the ALC what it needs?

danmrtini - Have you tried a product like this: http://www.iherb.com/Jarrow-Formulas-Bile-Acid-Factors-333-mg-90-Capsules/172?at=0

Aside from that, a good probiotic should help with digestive problems.

No, I have not tried this. But most acids have a negative effect on me. I will order it and try. Would Reseveratrol or BioCurcumin be a good ALA or Ecklonia Cava substitute? Thanks for all your help!

danmrtini - Those supplements you're looking for alternatives for are not normally difficult to digest, so getting this resolved maybe paramount in importance. However, curcumin is helpful in stimulating bile flow but this would not be as helpful without a gallbladder.

Hopefully this bile acid product will work.

What do you think about the conflicting info on Nettle Root though? In regards to the bile acids, Thanks! I will try it as soon as it arrives and report back.

danmrtini wrote:What do you think about the conflicting info on Nettle Root though? In regards to the bile acids, Thanks! I will try it as soon as it arrives and report back.

danmrtini - Probably the most frequently asked question I get is about SHBG. Young men who are balding are negatively affected by low SHBG. Does this mean that young men talking nettle will have a low SHBG even lower? Unlikely. How does one normalize a low SHBG? Reduce consumption of refined grains and sugars.

In older men, SHBG becomes too high. This is bad because estrogen becomes more dominant which will increase inflammation, oxidation and DHT.

CS- Green Tea increases SHBG. I absolutely love green tea, but does this mean that I need to perhaps limit it as I grow older? I'm 36 now.

johnt - No, not at all. I've been using high dose EGCG for years, it's terrific for the immune system. The only study related to SHBG so far is in premenopausal women. In men, having a higher SHBG level is associated with both aging and obesity. Since EGCG may help with weight loss, it is possible that it could help lower SHBG, but there just isn't enough data to know one way or the other. To keep SHBG lower, avoiding refined sugars and grains does work.

I just got my order delivered for the Nettle Seeds - will report back what I experience. My understanding is that it is a good source of clean energy and supports fatigured Adrenals and secondarily thyroids as well.

For my hypoThyroid I plan to continue/start the Lugol's + Nettle Seeds + EVCO protocol and see where it lands...