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DIY Tactile Transducer
Hi CausticSymmetry and RisingFist,
As an update, I now have a working model of the DIY Tactile Transducer rather than buying an expensive earthpulse or similar device. The total cost is about $75 - $80. I'm currently using my frequency generators rather than the cheap frequency generator I mentioned in a prior thread. In a couple months, I'll eventually buy the cheap frequency generator to make life easy for me. I see no reason why the cheap frequency generator would not work.
Here is the info:
DIY Tactile Transducer.
1. Buy Aura BassShaker with included Aura AMP. http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/bass-shakers/aurasound-arcade-bass-shaker-kit/ $17.50 plus shipping.
The above link is out of stock now but they can be found through other links for more money. This is what an aura bass shaker with included interactor amp looks like. (note the picture contains two aura bass shakers and does not show the cables and power adapter that will come with the kit). The aura bass shaker with included interactor amp is hard to locate but are sometimes found on ebay.
If cannot locate an aura bass shaker with aura interactor amp then the Aura Interactor cushion which can be found on ebay sometimes may work although I have not tried this.
2. Buy 3.5 mm Stereo to RCA stereo. I recommend 12 feet. Can be bought on Ebay for about $4 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=3.5mm+to+stereo&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=3.5mm+stereo+to+RCA&_sacat=0
3. CCTV Balun. This is a quality one and what I own. About $4 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-1-pair-Passive-Video-Balun-BNC-to-UTP-Cable-Connector-for-CCTV-Camera-DVR-/320980857991?pt=US_Surveillance_Cables_Adapters_Connectors&hash=item4abbf33487
4. Frequency Generator. Some sources that I've tried are ChiAmp (About $65 Run off the computer. If using this, then don't need to buy the 3.5 mm stereo to RCA cable or Balun), Instek 2004 ($400), F-165 ($1,000). Even the UDB1102 ($50) should also work as well but I don't know the reliability. Just hook it up to the 50 ohm connection on the frequency generator. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=UDB1102&_sacat=0&_from=R40
5. Compass. The cheapest one you can buy is fine.
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1. To hook up, hook up the Aura Bass Shaker and Amp as described in the instructions.
2. Next, cut the ends of the RCA cables off and remove the insulation to expose the stranded wire as shown in this picture. https://2img.net/r/ihimg/a/img221/2426/img8127b.jpg
3. Find the wire with the white insulation.
4. Remove the stranded wire from this wire. Now strip the white insulation off to expose the wire underneath as you'll use this wire. https://2img.net/r/ihimg/a/img16/6792/img8131xr.jpg
5. Now hook up both wires to the Balun. https://2img.net/r/ihimg/a/img27/5426/img8129g.jpg
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1. Lower volume all the way down on the frequency generator before hooking up.
2. Have all connections from the Bass Shaker and Amp connected.
3. Next, hook up the BNC connection from the Balun to your frequency generator. Hook it up to the 50 ohm connection on your frequency generator and not the TTL one for those frequency generators with them.
4. Find the North Pole of the Aura Bass Shaker with your compass. Mine is the bottom of the Bass Shaker. This is north pole on my Bass Shaker. https://2img.net/r/ihimg/a/img696/9685/img8130mw.jpg This is an important step as many ailments and protocols you do not want to expose yourself to the south pole for fear of making them worse. So use north side of the magnet unless you know what you're doing. It's also a good idea to periodically check the bass shaker with a compass to make sure the north and south side has not flipped as dropping a magnet may reverse the field.
Frequencies under 20 Hz may not be heard much other than some rattling from the Bass Shaker this is because the human ear cannot hear. You'll still hear a little noise from the Bass Shaker from the parts moving inside.
This design is able to use frequencies from 0 - 100 Hz.
earthpulse.net uses square waves for their tactile transducer. Others use sine waves. Experiment to find which work best for you.
For anti aging, I'd recommend 10 Hz in square wave as that's what earthpulse uses. 10 Hz does work IME as I've run that frequency off my scalar device but I have little experience using that frequency on a tactile transducer like the earthpulse uses. I'm sure it works as well as earthpulse says it does however.
Some more info on tactile transducers as well as frequencies to experiment with =
http://electromedicine.wordpress.com/2012/08/18/tactile-transducers-infratonic/
http://electromedicine.wordpress.com/2012/08/18/tactile-transducers-chiamp/
Some reviews http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=infratonic
Maybe this sounds complicated but it is not. This is a very easy project for anyone.
hope this helps
As an update, I now have a working model of the DIY Tactile Transducer rather than buying an expensive earthpulse or similar device. The total cost is about $75 - $80. I'm currently using my frequency generators rather than the cheap frequency generator I mentioned in a prior thread. In a couple months, I'll eventually buy the cheap frequency generator to make life easy for me. I see no reason why the cheap frequency generator would not work.
Here is the info:
DIY Tactile Transducer.
1. Buy Aura BassShaker with included Aura AMP. http://www.madisoundspeakerstore.com/bass-shakers/aurasound-arcade-bass-shaker-kit/ $17.50 plus shipping.
The above link is out of stock now but they can be found through other links for more money. This is what an aura bass shaker with included interactor amp looks like. (note the picture contains two aura bass shakers and does not show the cables and power adapter that will come with the kit). The aura bass shaker with included interactor amp is hard to locate but are sometimes found on ebay.
If cannot locate an aura bass shaker with aura interactor amp then the Aura Interactor cushion which can be found on ebay sometimes may work although I have not tried this.
2. Buy 3.5 mm Stereo to RCA stereo. I recommend 12 feet. Can be bought on Ebay for about $4 http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=3.5mm+to+stereo&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313&_nkw=3.5mm+stereo+to+RCA&_sacat=0
3. CCTV Balun. This is a quality one and what I own. About $4 http://www.ebay.com/itm/2pcs-1-pair-Passive-Video-Balun-BNC-to-UTP-Cable-Connector-for-CCTV-Camera-DVR-/320980857991?pt=US_Surveillance_Cables_Adapters_Connectors&hash=item4abbf33487
4. Frequency Generator. Some sources that I've tried are ChiAmp (About $65 Run off the computer. If using this, then don't need to buy the 3.5 mm stereo to RCA cable or Balun), Instek 2004 ($400), F-165 ($1,000). Even the UDB1102 ($50) should also work as well but I don't know the reliability. Just hook it up to the 50 ohm connection on the frequency generator. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=UDB1102&_sacat=0&_from=R40
5. Compass. The cheapest one you can buy is fine.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. To hook up, hook up the Aura Bass Shaker and Amp as described in the instructions.
2. Next, cut the ends of the RCA cables off and remove the insulation to expose the stranded wire as shown in this picture. https://2img.net/r/ihimg/a/img221/2426/img8127b.jpg
3. Find the wire with the white insulation.
4. Remove the stranded wire from this wire. Now strip the white insulation off to expose the wire underneath as you'll use this wire. https://2img.net/r/ihimg/a/img16/6792/img8131xr.jpg
5. Now hook up both wires to the Balun. https://2img.net/r/ihimg/a/img27/5426/img8129g.jpg
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Lower volume all the way down on the frequency generator before hooking up.
2. Have all connections from the Bass Shaker and Amp connected.
3. Next, hook up the BNC connection from the Balun to your frequency generator. Hook it up to the 50 ohm connection on your frequency generator and not the TTL one for those frequency generators with them.
4. Find the North Pole of the Aura Bass Shaker with your compass. Mine is the bottom of the Bass Shaker. This is north pole on my Bass Shaker. https://2img.net/r/ihimg/a/img696/9685/img8130mw.jpg This is an important step as many ailments and protocols you do not want to expose yourself to the south pole for fear of making them worse. So use north side of the magnet unless you know what you're doing. It's also a good idea to periodically check the bass shaker with a compass to make sure the north and south side has not flipped as dropping a magnet may reverse the field.
Frequencies under 20 Hz may not be heard much other than some rattling from the Bass Shaker this is because the human ear cannot hear. You'll still hear a little noise from the Bass Shaker from the parts moving inside.
This design is able to use frequencies from 0 - 100 Hz.
earthpulse.net uses square waves for their tactile transducer. Others use sine waves. Experiment to find which work best for you.
For anti aging, I'd recommend 10 Hz in square wave as that's what earthpulse uses. 10 Hz does work IME as I've run that frequency off my scalar device but I have little experience using that frequency on a tactile transducer like the earthpulse uses. I'm sure it works as well as earthpulse says it does however.
Some more info on tactile transducers as well as frequencies to experiment with =
http://electromedicine.wordpress.com/2012/08/18/tactile-transducers-infratonic/
http://electromedicine.wordpress.com/2012/08/18/tactile-transducers-chiamp/
Some reviews http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=infratonic
Maybe this sounds complicated but it is not. This is a very easy project for anyone.
hope this helps
Last edited by rdkml on Sat Feb 16, 2013 7:49 am; edited 3 times in total
ubraj- Posts : 2245
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elan164- Posts : 475
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
Hey, rdkml.
Can be results from such device compared with earthpulse device? if i understand the mechanisms are not quite the same... Both use frequency generators to produce square/waves at precise frequencies, one results in PEMF, the other in mechanical vibrations... Can you provide some knowledge on how infrasonic frequencies work by vibrations?
I might build it, since is so simple and low cost...
if somebody has some extra speakers at home and want to save even more money:
how is tactile transducer made...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIJxPI2jM5k
tnx
Can be results from such device compared with earthpulse device? if i understand the mechanisms are not quite the same... Both use frequency generators to produce square/waves at precise frequencies, one results in PEMF, the other in mechanical vibrations... Can you provide some knowledge on how infrasonic frequencies work by vibrations?
I might build it, since is so simple and low cost...
if somebody has some extra speakers at home and want to save even more money:
how is tactile transducer made...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIJxPI2jM5k
tnx
Zaphod- Posts : 1236
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
Beebrox wrote: Can you provide some knowledge on how infrasonic frequencies work by vibrations?
I might build it, since is so simple and low cost...
if somebody has some extra speakers at home and want to save even more money:
how is tactile transducer made...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIJxPI2jM5k
tnx
I found some...
Other thing it comes to my mind is if one is making himself tactile transducer it should have precise frequency design to avoid resonance in the area in frequency range of 0-100hz. If let say 5hz is resonance of the speaker, also 10hz, etc will show the symptoms. I'd have to calculate it a bit to tell which speakers are good to do the task and which aren't, but since this is material depended as well as mass spacial location delivery, it should be virtually modelled and done numerically. I don't have time for this, but still think bigger old speakers should do the job.
How's with Aura BassShaker in this regard anyway?
Zaphod- Posts : 1236
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
Earthpulse is a tactile tranducer. The Aura Bass Shaker is probably more powerful but turn the volume down to where you can't hear any vibrations to replicate earthpulse. Put it under a sofa cushion or under a mattress at 10 Hz or whatever frequency you want it to run and go about your life. Very convenient.
For what's called geopathic stress, try not to have wires snaking everywhere under the sofa or mattress where one is. So again, don't store the wires under the mattress or sofa but store them off to the side.
If you want the benefits of these other tactile tranducers, then crank it up to where you hear it to help mobilize toxins from lymph and blood and change the frequency.
I decided to build create this DIY info early for those who wish to experiment now before I post my experience with 10 Hz through an earthpulse design (tactile transducer) vs 10 Hz through scalar (very good results).
The Aura Bass Shaker is a well known and used model with ChiAmp. I would recommend this over making your own.
For what's called geopathic stress, try not to have wires snaking everywhere under the sofa or mattress where one is. So again, don't store the wires under the mattress or sofa but store them off to the side.
If you want the benefits of these other tactile tranducers, then crank it up to where you hear it to help mobilize toxins from lymph and blood and change the frequency.
I decided to build create this DIY info early for those who wish to experiment now before I post my experience with 10 Hz through an earthpulse design (tactile transducer) vs 10 Hz through scalar (very good results).
The Aura Bass Shaker is a well known and used model with ChiAmp. I would recommend this over making your own.
ubraj- Posts : 2245
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
My question is.. Is it really worth to do it ?
Maybe I missed some other threads about it, but could you just tell me about the benefits ?
Sorry.
Maybe I missed some other threads about it, but could you just tell me about the benefits ?
Sorry.
Lw- Posts : 106
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Location : Paris, France
Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
If you click the two electromedicine links that was posted gives more info on benefits.
ubraj- Posts : 2245
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
Lw wrote:My question is.. Is it really worth to do it ?
Maybe I missed some other threads about it, but could you just tell me about the benefits ?
Sorry.
and also check up earthpulse.net
more ATP production, better sleep, etc.
rdkml
never thought the concept it's the same... now i am definetly doing it. the link you've provided for BassShaker didnt work all day, and now see how the product looks like. a person gets a lot for money...
''If you want the benefits of these other tactile tranducers, then crank it up to where you hear it to help mobilize toxins from lymph and blood and change the frequency.''
after reading it a few times, still dont know what to expect...... this is so agressive that you can feel the detox process??
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
rdkml - Outstanding, thanks or putting this info out there!
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Thanks JDP. You just created a very affordable solution for anyone to try electro medicine and different frequencies. I hope word gets out and many people add it to their regimen for longevity, prevention and treatment.
RisingFist- Posts : 258
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
I got all the parts for my DIY tactical transducer about a week and a half ago. Extremely simple to put together. The first thing I noticed was more vivid dreams, and my sleep became deeper within a few days, but it seems to be a very gradual process. It's a weird device because in order to get "earth pulse" like results, you have to turn the device down so low that you wonder whether or not it is still on. If you put your ear directly on the speaker you can barely hear the rhythmic pulses. I am guessing this means it is working similar to the earth pulse.
I got pretty sick during the first three days I was using it. I tested out many different frequencies, and man is this device powerful when you turn up the volume. It might be best to start out where you can't feel any of the pulses and work from there. So far, I am extremely exited about seeing where this kind of technology goes. Very special thanks to rdkml for gathering together the info.
I got pretty sick during the first three days I was using it. I tested out many different frequencies, and man is this device powerful when you turn up the volume. It might be best to start out where you can't feel any of the pulses and work from there. So far, I am extremely exited about seeing where this kind of technology goes. Very special thanks to rdkml for gathering together the info.
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
Serge wrote:I got all the parts for my DIY tactical transducer about a week and a half ago. Extremely simple to put together. The first thing I noticed was more vivid dreams, and my sleep became deeper within a few days, but it seems to be a very gradual process. It's a weird device because in order to get "earth pulse" like results, you have to turn the device down so low that you wonder whether or not it is still on. If you put your ear directly on the speaker you can barely hear the rhythmic pulses. I am guessing this means it is working similar to the earth pulse.
I got pretty sick during the first three days I was using it. I tested out many different frequencies, and man is this device powerful when you turn up the volume. It might be best to start out where you can't feel any of the pulses and work from there. So far, I am extremely exited about seeing where this kind of technology goes. Very special thanks to rdkml for gathering together the info.
great news. i am waiting for the delivery so much time, that i've almost forgot about it.
BassShaker was not build for such purposes, that's why managing the amplitude is very important imo.I've read a few different sources about TTraducers and you shouldnt feel anything acusticly if the frequencies are in infratonic area. Glad it's doing good for you.
Please feel free to contribute more to the topic with telling more about your experiences - also depended of frequency and type of wave generated. Tnx.
Zaphod- Posts : 1236
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
For brain performance, i sugest using Schumann resonance with your TT. Everybody should find his frequency around 7,5 - 8,5 Hz.
For curious ones more info here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=TuMa5lAa3RAC&pg=PA434&lpg=PA434&dq=45+hz+schumann&source=bl&ots=qvZybz4jhC&sig=hETHew2PShoKbQ4xNczEoNK2DfA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=J7erUMOuE4y08AS34ICABw&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=45%20hz%20schumann&f=false
http://archives.njit.edu/vol01/etd/1990s/1996/njit-etd1996-013/njit-etd1996-013.pdf
http://www.uri-geller.com/content/research/houck2.htm
http://sedonanomalies.com/Article.pdf
from Occupational Therapist, neurofeedback list.Entraining an individual's EEG to correspond with the lowest frequency of the Schumann resonance (7.83 Hz) concomitantly with gamma was first suggested to me by Douglas Dailey. I have trained two people using these frequencies and so far the results seem very promising. For a background on the Schumann resonance, head to Wikipedia.
I am training using the base frequency of the Schumann resonance coupled with 35-45 Hz on two close friends. So far, it seems to have a profound calming effect either using a single channel at Pz or a two-channel setup at Fz and Pz rewarding synchronous activity at both sites at 7.5-8.3 and 35-45, or simply just 7.5-8.3 or 7.6-8.0. A friend, whom I have recently trained at 7.5-8.3 Hz, says the feeling is similar in strength to being trained at .01-.1 Hz at T3-T4, but unlike low-frequency training, Schumann at Fz + Pz does not induce short bursts of hypnogogic imagery.
Since such an electromagnetic phenomenon exists in the atmosphere, it would stand to reason that all life on Earth would have evolved to operate under the influence of these fluctuations. Various studies have shown that external electromagnetic fields affect the human EEG, and perhaps the optimal timing of EEG fluctuations is dependent on precise coordination with the Schumann resonance.
Given that we are now constantly bombarded by artificial electromagnetic fields in the environment, it would make sense that training an individual to the Schumann resonances that exist at 7.8, 14, 20, 26, 33, 39, and 45 Hz might have a very beneficial effect.
For curious ones more info here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=TuMa5lAa3RAC&pg=PA434&lpg=PA434&dq=45+hz+schumann&source=bl&ots=qvZybz4jhC&sig=hETHew2PShoKbQ4xNczEoNK2DfA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=J7erUMOuE4y08AS34ICABw&ved=0CEAQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=45%20hz%20schumann&f=false
http://archives.njit.edu/vol01/etd/1990s/1996/njit-etd1996-013/njit-etd1996-013.pdf
http://www.uri-geller.com/content/research/houck2.htm
http://sedonanomalies.com/Article.pdf
Zaphod- Posts : 1236
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
I've been wondering, using the earth's frequency provides longevity and anti aging benefits. Do you think people's life spans started to decrease after they used beds and then shoes which decreased contact with the earth? I wonder how long people lived before, at least those who avoided disease and violence.
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
Many months ago mentioned was working on low cost DIY Rife machines. The total cost would have been $600.
However, even better news has come out for those who bought this frequency generator mentioned in this thread. It needs to have an area for the USB cable at the back of the frequency generator. Otherwise you can still use it but you're stuck using one frequency at a time before having to manually change the frequency (inconvenient).
This one shows the USB port and goes up to 8 MHz. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/8MHz-DDS-Function-Signal-Generator-Source-PC-Serial-Ports-COMM-Control-Rev3-0-/221111035174?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337b3ea526
What you're looking for is the UDB1102S or UDB1105S or UDB1108S models. The S stands for USB models.
The UDB1108S Rev3.0 is what has been used and found to work.
This will be an even lower cost that the $600 one I've been working on.
This frequency generator is capable as a replacement for more traditional frequency generators. It would be used at a distance by treating nails (scalar) or similar rather than the more traditional Rife machines where one is exposed to EMF and literally having to sit in front of the device. This frequency generator would be capable of treating one at a distance while they are at work or away from home.
I own one of the best and also the old style Rife machine and I much prefer the newer method Rife technology of treating at a distance via scalar.
What this means is that when I first bought my Rife machine for $2,000 as it was a revolutionary Rife machine with new capabilities at the time, there later became a method to lower the cost to $1,600 - $1400 that gives almost the same in benefits. And then a new device called a Rife Medic 5 for $1,000 from South Africa was popularized.
But now, thanks to Hank and Johann, a $50 - $90 frequency generator has been found to work. So all it takes is $50 - $90 depending on the model you buy to own an extremely effective Rife machine.
Software is being written right now. It's a private forum that you need to join and starts at post #594 http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4071&page=30
Only downside is that one needs to have a very thorough understanding of what they are doing for best results. So Rife is a little complex but at least the cost barrier has been broken!!!
So again, the only downside is the knowledge needed which still makes it not the greatest for someone off the street who knows little about Rife but again, at least the cost barrier has been broken.
I may or may not create a user manual months from now.
However, even better news has come out for those who bought this frequency generator mentioned in this thread. It needs to have an area for the USB cable at the back of the frequency generator. Otherwise you can still use it but you're stuck using one frequency at a time before having to manually change the frequency (inconvenient).
This one shows the USB port and goes up to 8 MHz. http://www.ebay.ca/itm/8MHz-DDS-Function-Signal-Generator-Source-PC-Serial-Ports-COMM-Control-Rev3-0-/221111035174?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item337b3ea526
What you're looking for is the UDB1102S or UDB1105S or UDB1108S models. The S stands for USB models.
The UDB1108S Rev3.0 is what has been used and found to work.
This will be an even lower cost that the $600 one I've been working on.
This frequency generator is capable as a replacement for more traditional frequency generators. It would be used at a distance by treating nails (scalar) or similar rather than the more traditional Rife machines where one is exposed to EMF and literally having to sit in front of the device. This frequency generator would be capable of treating one at a distance while they are at work or away from home.
I own one of the best and also the old style Rife machine and I much prefer the newer method Rife technology of treating at a distance via scalar.
What this means is that when I first bought my Rife machine for $2,000 as it was a revolutionary Rife machine with new capabilities at the time, there later became a method to lower the cost to $1,600 - $1400 that gives almost the same in benefits. And then a new device called a Rife Medic 5 for $1,000 from South Africa was popularized.
But now, thanks to Hank and Johann, a $50 - $90 frequency generator has been found to work. So all it takes is $50 - $90 depending on the model you buy to own an extremely effective Rife machine.
Software is being written right now. It's a private forum that you need to join and starts at post #594 http://www.rifeforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4071&page=30
Only downside is that one needs to have a very thorough understanding of what they are doing for best results. So Rife is a little complex but at least the cost barrier has been broken!!!
So again, the only downside is the knowledge needed which still makes it not the greatest for someone off the street who knows little about Rife but again, at least the cost barrier has been broken.
I may or may not create a user manual months from now.
Last edited by rdkml on Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:44 pm; edited 1 time in total
ubraj- Posts : 2245
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Re: DIY Tactile Transducer
Wow that's amazing. Going from $2000 rife machine to less then $100 with essentially the same capabilities is quite the breakthrough. I will look more into this later this year but sounds like a game changer for sure.
RisingFist- Posts : 258
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