Adrenal Fatigue when SP glandulars are not enough

I mentioned in a previous post having long-term adrenal fatigue where my symptoms are hypoglycemia, insomnia and pain in very specific points (particularly on the back). Caustic suggested Phosphatidyl Serine for sleep and I have already tried it and Seriphos as well to little avail. Phosphatidyl Serine, when I tried it over a year ago, seemed to help a bit a first but not at all after several days. The one difference is that I noticed was that my dreams became incredibly vivid.

Here are some of the other things I have tried over the last several years:

Transdermal DHEA
Transdermal Pregnenolone
Using 1% Hydrocortisone Cream topically
Relora
Ashwagandha
Alpha Lipoic Acid
Carnitine
Acetyl-L-Carnitine
Various amino acid formulas
Standard Process glandulars including: Drenamin, Drenatrophin, Fortil B12, Pituitrophin, Orchex
Other Adrenal Glandulars: Enzymatic Therapy, Raw Adrenal, Isocort
Licorice
Rodiola
Maca (although maybe not the best brand)
Nettles Tea
Topical Progesterone
Pantethine

I have forgotten a lot of things that I have tried. Also, even though I have mentioned trying something, I realize that I could have be using an incorrect dose.

The one that seemed to make a very significant difference at first was transdermal DHEA. I took it one morning when I had not slept one minute the night before and it felt almost as if I was on a full night of sleep. I have taken many other generalized supplements, take most of Caustic's top 6 and many sleep formulas. In general I just seem to be stuck, I never seem to really have any way of improving and I just gradually decline over time. The hypoglycemia is very rough because I need to take food everywhere and need to eat before going to bed. I hate feeling full of food all of the time just to make this hypoglycemic feeling go away. If anyone is aware of any herb or amino acid that could help in this area, I would love to know.

The other issue is that it is nearly impossible to find a practitioner that has any clue regarding adrenal issues in NYC. You would think that there would be this great abundance of people in such a large city, but I cannot seem to find anyone. I have been to numerous acupuncturists, homeopaths, herbalists, doctors, chiropractors and other health practitioners. One practice I find to be accurate almost always is applied kinesiology. The only issue is that it tends to find something that helps immediately but not in the long term.

Also, I just had detailed blood work and a torso ct scan taken. The ct scan said that everything was normal except for a 7mm vascular lesion on the inferior right lobe of my liver. The blood test showed that my "adrenocortico" and my serum insulin levels were low. My DHEA was just within normal range on the low end.

Thanks in advance for any input.

rjfnyu - In a very recent thread, there was discussion of metal toxicity. This might be on area worth looking deeply into.

I assume that you took plenty of iodine along with the other things listed.

With hypoglycemia, one factor that is often overlooked is metal toxicity.

Fast or slow gluconeogenesis determines your glycogen to glucose conversion.

Having a burden to metal toxicity cause not only impair utilization of good minerals, but also throw off your
sodium/potassium levels and your oxidation rate.

That said, consider getting a 24-hour urine test for heavy metals and find out if this is a factor. It could make all the difference in the world.

CausticSymmetry wrote:rjfnyu - In a very recent thread, there was discussion of metal toxicity. This might be on area worth looking deeply into.

I assume that you took plenty of iodine along with the other things listed.

With hypoglycemia, one factor that is often overlooked is metal toxicity.

Fast or slow gluconeogenesis determines your glycogen to glucose conversion.

Having a burden to metal toxicity cause not only impair utilization of good minerals, but also throw off your
sodium/potassium levels and your oxidation rate.

That said, consider getting a 24-hour urine test for heavy metals and find out if this is a factor. It could make all the difference in the world.

rjfnyu, IH is DEAD ON. My recent labs revealed that I have lead and mercury in me. Possibly explaining my adrenal fatigue and hypoglemia despite excellent diet. Get a urine heavy metals test done ASAP.

This makes sense. I do eat very well and get very little result from it.

I took Lugol's, but only at dosages of about 5 or 6 drops per day. It made me calmer, but it really hurt my sleep.

Do I have to get a urine heavy metals test through a doctor or can I do it on my own through a lab? I would rather not wait for the medical system.

Also, what is the solution once toxicity is discovered? Captomer, Andy Cutler protocol, homeopathics or one of the many heavy metal detox programs out there?

Thanks for this.

Wairora's Liquid Zeolite--only this brand. That will do wonders for getting rid of metals out of your body.

rjfnyu - Other than what Nidhogge mentioned there is Humifulvate. The studies I've seen on this are amazing.

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=4926&at=0

It's also available at Swansons's too, called Metal Shield for a little less.

rjfnyu - I almost forgot, you can try to get it done through a lab, but might need a doctor order (hopefully not). There might be some do it yourself kits out there.

Is there any harm in trying one or two of these for a short period of time without a test?

rjfnyu - Fortunately, no and that's the good news. You can actually "test" this by just taking them and if you get any detox reaction from it, then it would be a sign you being loaded with metals.

IH--

You get a chance to check out the PDF that I sent ya on the Zeolite? Tell me your thoughts if you got around to it!

nidhogge - It's pretty good, I read it first thing.

Metal toxicity is an issue that is epidemic, it's one of those issues that I keep forgetting to put on the site, just haven't had time.

Hypertension is very common amongst us MPB, and lead is one of the most significant causes of elevated blood pressure.

After bouts of chelation therapy, hair is often regrown. Many diabetic and heart patients are improved with ridding of these metals.

Virtually 100% of anyone has lead, at least several hundred times more lead than our ancestors. Even one part per million of lead is enough to cause damage. Many of the antioxidants we take help combat these, but imagine if we remove a primary culprit?

I think the emotional component of the PDF article you sent was very good. This a must read for anyone with anxiety, depression issues.

Following is one opinion from a competitor site regarding Pure Zeolite -

Zupreme Zeloite

"...Pure Zeolite, in our opinion, is dangerous. There have been many concerns expressed about using "cleaned Zeolite" and potassium depletion from the cardiac (heart) muscle. A completely "empty cage" obtained through acid precipitation will trap toxins and metals, and, according to where the stripping takes place (varies for each individual), can result in mineral deficiency damage similar to a once highly used mineral striping agent (reference EDTA) which is now only used (due to many tragic incidents) when heavy metal build-up is critically affecting an individual. Even then, in such critical situation, immediate intravenious (IV) replenishment of the needed striped minerals is given..."

The Zeolite cages are only so big, and they cannot fit larger mineral particules such as Magnesium, Calcium, Zinc, etc.

No competitor has ever gotten access to the methods by which the original form of Zeolite is harvested, the type they use, etc. So, they'll propagate disinformation to scare consumers into buying their product. Truth be told, if you look at the thousands of positive reviews online, Waiora's is the one that has all of the feedback (and not one neg).

IH--

Mind posting that PDF up on your site for folks to download? You mention Liquid Zeolite on your physiology page, so perhaps a link to download/view it in that area would be a good idea. In addition, perhaps adding a "Metal Chelation" section to your supplement page that mentions Liquid Zeolite, Humifulvate, IP6, Liquid Bentonite, etc.

Is there any info about zeolites effectiveness that is not by the people selling it?

CausticSymmetry wrote:rjfnyu - Other than what Nidhogge mentioned there is Humifulvate. The studies I've seen on this are amazing.

http://www.iherb.com/ProductDetails.aspx?c=1&pid=4926&at=0

It's also available at Swansons's too, called Metal Shield for a little less.

Hey IH, how long do you suggest running this for? Would one bottle every six months be sufficient as a routine metal detox?

Here is some info on Zeolite from Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeolite

Apparently there are "over 80 naturally occurring zeolites. They mention many uses for it from water filtration to cat litter, but nowhere is pure human consumption for any purpose mentioned.

This paragraph would be a concern maybe if the product was natural:

"Natural zeolites form where volcanic rocks and ash layers react with alkaline groundwater. Zeolites also crystallize in post-depositional environments over periods ranging from thousands to millions of years in shallow marine basins. Naturally occurring zeolites are rarely pure and are contaminated to varying degrees by other minerals, metals, quartz, or other zeolites. For this reason, naturally occurring zeolites are excluded from many important commercial applications where uniformity and purity are essential."

About synthetics:

There are several types of synthetic zeolites that form by a process of slow crystallization of a silica-alumina gel in the presence of alkalis and organic templates. One of the important processes used to carry out zeolite synthesis is sol-gel processing. The product properties depend on reaction mixture composition, pH of the system, operating temperature, pre-reaction 'seeding' time, reaction time as well as the templates used. In sol-gel process, other elements (metals, metal oxides) can be easily incorporated. The silicalite sol formed by the hydrothermal method is very stable. Also the ease of scaling up this process makes it a favorite route for zeolite synthesis.

Synthetic zeolites hold some key advantages over their natural analogs. The synthetics can, of course, be manufactured in a uniform, phase-pure state. It is also possible to manufacture desirable zeolite structures which do not appear in nature. Zeolite A is a well-known example. Since the principal raw materials used to manufacture zeolites are silica and alumina, which are among the most abundant mineral components on earth, the potential to supply zeolites is virtually unlimited. Finally, zeolite manufacturing processes engineered by man require significantly less time than the 50 to 50,000 years prescribed by nature. Disadvantages include the inability to create crystals with dimensions of a comparable size to their natural counterparts.

Well, there is always this concern if one is flushing out the good stuff with the bad stuff.

Nid, you have any source that suggests needed minerals in the body have much larger sized particles than the toxins we are so interested in removing? I mean how do we reach the conclusion that while lead is being "caged" potassium is not? Unless some data that says pottasium molecule is 10 times larger than "Mercury" molecule, where is this data stated?

I am just curious?

Thanks

Lund,

I was actually talking more about the potential to be actually adding metals to your system:

"Naturally occurring zeolites are rarely pure and are contaminated to varying degrees by other minerals, metals, quartz, or other zeolites. For this reason, naturally occurring zeolites are excluded from many important commercial applications where uniformity and purity are essential."

I honestly haven't looked at the product, so I don't know if it is a natural or synthetic, but the above only applies to the former.

Lund--

Refer to my post on IH requesting that he upload the PDF. All the answers you guys'll want are in there and yes, the PDF is from an independent source--not the company.

I think the original Zeolite guys (being referenced here) are saying that they distill the natural zeolite multiple times to get rid of the toxins. Apparently that is their proprietary process to rid of the bad stuff and keep the cage size small as well (as claimed by the seller).

So I think the ones being talked about here are "natural" but claimed to be Super cleaned via proprietary process. They call it the "activation process", from their web site:



[url=Waiora's Zeolite]http://www.ncdpro.com/index2.php[/url]

scottyc33 - Yes, once every 6-months is a good idea. From what I have observed as a universal metal detox, I think the humic/fulvic acid method is the cheapest and most convenient that I know of. I do not have any personal experience with Zeolite, so we'll have to keep track of user experience and see what the overall result is.

To get the Zeolite book, here is the link. It's good information.

http://www.naturalzeoliteliquid.com/freebook.html

nidhogge wrote:Lund--

Refer to my post on IH requesting that he upload the PDF. All the answers you guys'll want are in there and yes, the PDF is from an independent source--not the company.

Nid,

Is that a post or a thread. Where the hell is it, I can't find it

In this dogy dog world, be careful with who is claiming to be independent. If it is a big name interest (established lab with years and and years of brand name) it is one thing - but a web site somewhere claiming to be an independent source can be setup with < $50.

Just be careful, that's all - it may be authentic, do not know.

Lund, trust me man, if anybody knows to not be trustworthy of anything we read--it's this forum. I like the PDF, however, and it definitely passes my strict B.S. meter. Give it a read, and formulate your own opinion though!

JH--

It was on the first page of this post, ha...I should have said reply. But, the link that IH provided is the PDF that I was referring to.

What do you think of this product for Adrenal Fatigue?

http://store.anabolicminds.com/product/palo-alto-labs/reset-ad-60-capsules.html