"the fat you eat is the fat you wear"

Gibson wrote:

blackjack wrote:if you want to be weak and frail just eat a vegan diet.. its the anti muscle diet.

I don't think that is true. After a long search for an agreeable protein supp, with some disasterous results--I must have an allergy to egg white protein--I finally closed on pea protein. Pea protein is great; it seems to be slow burning, so there is no spike and it seems to have a sustaining effect on muscles. Most important, it works for me. Also, the Olympian Labs product I have tastes good.

That said, I've basically been vegan for over a month--no meat, but some dairy. And I am as strong as I was in my twenties. I'm also basically back to the slimness which I always enjoyed, which means I appear more cut. That said, as I have always maintained, I think hormonal profile is more important than diet when it comes to muscle and strength.

Of all people, I just heard that Mike Tyson is now a vegan:

http://www.ecorazzi.com/2010/08/02/mike-tyson-credits-vegan-diet-with-massive-130-pound-weight-loss/

CausticSymmetry wrote:misterE - If eating fat causes fat storage, and what fat we eat is what we wear, then how would you account for the results of this study, which was published this month? (not two decades ago like the low fat fanatics).

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20679559

I'm sure you're short on time, so I will help out a little:

RESULTS: Weight loss was approximately 11 kg (11%) at 1 year and 7 kg (7%) at 2 years. There were no differences in weight, body composition, or bone mineral density between the groups at any time point. During the first 6 months, the low-carbohydrate diet group had greater reductions in diastolic blood pressure, triglyceride levels, and very-low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, lesser reductions in low-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels, and more adverse symptoms than did the low-fat diet group. The low-carbohydrate diet group had greater increases in high-density lipoprotein cholesterol levels at all time points, approximating a 23% increase at 2 years.

CONCLUSION: Successful weight loss can be achieved with either a low-fat or low-carbohydrate diet when coupled with behavioral treatment. A low-carbohydrate diet is associated with favorable changes in cardiovascular disease risk factors at 2 years.

misterE wrote:What about the fat you eat? Does it, or does it not turn directly into body-fat via lipoproteins and lipoprotein-lipase?

misterE wrote:CS, you never answered my question on the first page, I will repost it below.

misterE wrote:What about the fat you eat? Does it, or does it not turn directly into body-fat via lipoproteins and lipoprotein-lipase?

misterE wrote:


Anyone can lose weight on any type of diet as long as you burn more calories than store. Does that make it healthy? No. Does it mean it can reverse heart-disease or prostate-enlargement? No. Most of the weight people loose is water at first. Not body-fat.

The evidence says that your diet (high-protein/high-fat/low-fiber) increases estrogen and lowers SHBG and IGFBP's, both of which are sensitive markers for insulin sensitivity. How do you explain that? Do I need to post the copious amounts of studies again to prove my point?

CS, you never answered my question on the first page, I will repost it below.

Directo wrote:

misterE wrote:CS, you never answered my question on the first page, I will repost it below.

misterE wrote:What about the fat you eat? Does it, or does it not turn directly into body-fat via lipoproteins and lipoprotein-lipase?

I love how he ignores other's questions and how he dares requesting CS to answer his...
CS, don't even answer, you're falling in his game.

action<reaction wrote:MisterE - http://dietforum.com/

Fire away. We'll be back here dealing with hair issues should you convert that forum into vegans and get bored.

zerx wrote:

action<reaction wrote:MisterE - http://dietforum.com/

Fire away. We'll be back here dealing with hair issues should you convert that forum into vegans and get bored.

That might help this forum actually. It's been one thread after the other of useless drivel from this guy.
Lets get back to hair loss folks. CS please end this misery.

by action<reaction on Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:05 pm
You know, if perhaps one would factor in WHEN something is eaten this could all be resolved pretty fast.

Eat your fats while you're up and moving, and your carbs as you wind down, and you're SET.
Is that so hard?

by misterE on Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:47 pm
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CS, what about the fat you eat? Does it, or does it not turn directly into body-fat via lipoproteins and lipoprotein-lipase?

tonyj wrote:

by misterE on Sat Aug 21, 2010 3:47 pm
#4

CS, what about the fat you eat? Does it, or does it not turn directly into body-fat via lipoproteins and lipoprotein-lipase?

With all do respect, maybe the vagueness of the question posses the problem to answering the question. We should know what kind of adipose tissue your talking about; the visceral, the subcutaneous fat? And of lipoproteins, are you talking about the LPL activity in general or LPL as the primary role in obesity?

misterE wrote:BUMP

How Are Surplus Carbs Used And Stored?

Carbohydrate is the major source of energy for the body. This is because, of all nutrients, it converts most readily to glucose which is the body's preferred fuel. When we eat carbohydrate, it is converted to glucose in the digestive tract and distributed via the liver to cells throughout the body for use as energy. Once our immediate energy needs are satisfied, the remaining carb glucose is handled in one of two ways. Either it is converted to liquid glycogen (a temporary source of readily available energy) and stored in the liver or muscles. Or, it is converted into fatty acids by the liver and stored in adipose cells (fat-cells) around the body.


How Is Surplus Protein Used And Stored?

Protein is broken down into amino acids in the stomach and small intestine, then distributed via the liver to cells throughout the body for a variety of uses included cell formation and repair. Some surplus protein amino acids are kept circulating in the bloodstream, the remainder is either converted into a type of simple sugar and used as energy, or (like carbohydrate) is converted to fatty acid and stored in adipose cells.

How Is Surplus Dietary Fat Used And Stored?

Dietary fat is broken down into fatty acids and glycerol by the stomach and small intestine. It is then distributed (in the form of triglycerides) via the lymphatic system and bloodstream to the cells for a variety of specialized uses or, in the absence of sufficient carbs, for energy. However, since dietary fat cannot be converted into protein and only about 5 percent (the glycerol part) is convertible into glucose, and because dietary fat is not the body's preferred choice of fuel, a significant amount ends up being stored as body fat in the adipose tissue.

Eating practices of the best endurance athletes in the world

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In addition, approximately half of all of the male athletes in the world who have ever run the 10K in less than 27 minutes hail from Kenya. When they're allowed to enter freely, Kenyan athletes dominate road races around the world.

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Kenyan runners tend to eat a limited variety of foods, and that was certainly the case with these elite athletes. Most of their nutrients came from vegetable sources, and the "staple" edibles were bread, boiled rice, poached potatoes, boiled porridge, cabbage, kidney beans and ugali (a well-cooked, corn-meal paste that's molded into balls and dipped into other foods for flavoring).

Meat (primarily beef) was eaten just four times a week in fairly small amounts (about 100 grams -- 3.5 ounces a day). A fair amount of tea with milk and sugar was imbibed on a daily basis (more on this in a moment).

If you're thinking about heading to a nutritional-supplement store to purchase some performance-enhancing supplements (or you already purchase on a regular basis), bear in mind that the Kenyan runners were not taking supplements of any kind. There were no vitamins, no minerals, no special formulations or miracle compounds, nada. The gold-medal-winning Kenyans adhered to the odd philosophy that regular foods could fuel their efforts quite nicely.

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Daily nutrient intake

About 86 percent of daily calories came from vegetable sources, with 14 percent from animal foods. As you might expect, the Kenyan-runners' diets were extremely rich in carbohydrate, with 76.5 percent of daily calories coming from carbs. The Kenyans ate about 10.4 grams of carbohydrate per kilogram of body mass each day, or approximately 4.7 grams per pound of body weight.

An amazing facet of the Kenyans' eating habits was the consistency of this carbohydrate intake: Every 24 hours, the Kenyans took in about 600 grams of carbohydrate, with very little variation from day to day. They were truly stocking their leg muscles with glycogen, giving their sinews the right fuel necessary for the high-intensity training they were conducting -- and avoiding the fatigue which automatically follows on the heels of glycogen wipe-outs.

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The Kenyan runners' carbohydrate intakes are also higher than those reported in endurance athletes in other countries around the world. As Pitsiladis, Boit, Onywera and Kiplamai pointed out, the carb intake of elite distance runners in the U.S., the Netherlands, Australia and South Africa have been measured at 49 (!), 50, 52 and 50 percent of total calories, respectively, a far cry from the Kenyan total of 76.5 percent.3,4,5,6 The Kenyans appear to be doing a better job of fueling themselves for their high-intensity training, compared with their "peers" in other countries.


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misterE wrote:BUMP

Directo wrote:

Directo wrote:

misterE wrote:CS, you never answered my question on the first page, I will repost it below.

misterE wrote:What about the fat you eat? Does it, or does it not turn directly into body-fat via lipoproteins and lipoprotein-lipase?

I love how he ignores other's questions and how he dares requesting CS to answer his...
CS, don't even answer, you're falling in his game.

Smart try