Regrowth with topical Kefir and Agrimony?

GreenPower,

both is possible

- over night => your scalp/hair is rather dry the next morning (the kefir absorbed
sebum and greasiness; in my opinion the better option)

- for one or two hours => your scalp/hair looks a little bit greasy after washing.

After fermenting, the grains have lots of white gunky stuff on them, do I avoid consuming or putting that on my head or doesn't it really matter?

Is there anything I can do to get rid of the smell quicker and easier?

tooyoung wrote:After fermenting, the grains have lots of white gunky stuff on them, do I avoid consuming or putting that on my head or doesn't it really matter?

Is there anything I can do to get rid of the smell quicker and easier?

Throw those grains back in the jar again and fill it up with milk again. Kefir is a living organism and it needs to be taken care of. Don't put the grains on your head just the kefir milk. The grains are suppose to be sticky (i'm pretty sure, some one correct me if i'm wrong) after a jar of kefir is made. You know your kefir is healthy when it floats on top of the milk and doesn't stay at the bottom.

As for the smell, um I don't really have a problem. I actually just wash it off with water, in a bath tub, not a shower. So i can't really help you there

Right, so the white clumpy stuff that collects around the grains I got is beneficial? I've been washing them off with milk every night and then putting them back in the jar. Should I leave it all on?

Interesting! I make tons of kefir so I will try this out.

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Just rinsed my hair with water after apply kefir topically for the first time.

It smells horrible, smells a bit like vomit. My hair looks a bit drier than usual. My hairs quite long so the smell is still lingering, need to wash with some shampoo now to try get the smell out.

Milk kefir? I wrote about this and kombucha rinse a while back, the experience. At least it's not your own pee on your head. Did that already. Sweet!

"Gee, your hair smells like vomit." Try apple cider, the stinky smell with kill off the vomit smell.

What about water kefir mate?

Cheers.

Haha, I've tried then whole pee on head thing as well, I prefer it to kefir, no lingering smell, I never do it though.

Yeah, the milk kefir has apparently more nutrients than the water, I'll just stick to using the milk version.

I have been planning on getting some ACV, do you use it with or after the kefir?

You said you wrote about your experiences with topical kefir? How did it go?

How many of you are using raw milk to make kefir? I bought raw milk for the first time and it behaves different than pasteurized milk. Can anyone tell me what that thick yellow floating on top of the milk is? Is it butter? or whey (i don't think so)?

Another note, it takes way longer to make kefir with raw milk than pasteurized, anyone else experiencing this??

Also, I don't know how many of you know that prague got regrowth using probiotics on his head right? Papain topically? Wouldn't kefir do the same thing but be way more effective because of its large count of bacteria? So Kefir > Papain? or am I wrong?

scratch that, papain is an enzyme and kefir is a probiotic. Maybe mixing them together would give results?

tooyoung wrote:Haha, I've tried then whole pee on head thing as well, I prefer it to kefir, no lingering smell, I never do it though.
Yeah, the milk kefir has apparently more nutrients than the water, I'll just stick to using the milk version.
I have been planning on getting some ACV, do you use it with or after the kefir?
You said you wrote about your experiences with topical kefir? How did it go?

I'd like to think that the milk/water kefir works topically, but I don't know. Internally might be better. Has anyone had major thickening/regrowth/darkening from it? Dunno.

ACV is really just a rinse with potassium and nutrients in it. It won't work forever though. ACV will probably get rid of the kefir smell though, and there should be no problems from doing that.

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Howcome ACV wouldn't work forever?

As a topical for hairloss I meant. Internal with ACV you're good tho. What really does work forever topically for hairloss? You may notice a cosmetic benefit to scalp hair texture while you're young using topical ACV.

For me, it was good for a few years, once hair degraded it didn't do as much on top obviously. Everyone here has tried many, many things over the years. But party on while you can young man!

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I'm sorry to bump this, but kefir may be huge in us with MPB! For those who are still using it topically, wouldn't it be better to use a kefir shampoo? Where would you even buy kefir in general. I'm too clueless about anything kitchen in general so I would much rather just pay whatever money to buy this in final form.

It's a good bump. More and more evidence and conversation points toward bacterial imbalance leading to many conditions, including hair loss. My cousin is a microbiologist and has dedicated a lot to the science since high school. He and his team just got published and the premise of their literature was how gut bacteria can completely change your entire body's chemistry profile. I'm going to hit him up this weekend for the highlights of his work..

Also, I was listening a radio episode of The Bald Truth a while back, which I rarely do. Anyways there was a doctor that came on who is working on a product that uses beneficial bacteria as a topical application to eradicate acne. Since research seems to show acne and MPB pathways to be very similar, this could be significant for the not-too-calcified follicle!

CS,

I'm assuming like everything, there is a healthy balance to be struck when it comes to skin bacteria, yes? I own a water ionizer and have always wondered if soaking my head in 2.5ph water (strong antibacterial, but physically gentle on the skin) would yield some kind of benefit. Or would we be doing more harm than good by eradicating ALL bacteria in the scalp?

All right so how would we go about acquiring some kefir? I have no interest in topical applications since I'm positive that my problems are internal - I rather have kefir doing its work on the inside and eventually it will fix my MPB situation. I also have no interest in mixing anything. If there is a reputable company who makes money off of such business, what are they and where do I send my money?

About scalp bacteria homeostasis, I tried sauerkraut juice and brottrunks topically. Stinks like hell but not sure about any positive effect.

If anyone is giving a try with kefir, please share and update your experience.

moby wrote:All right so how would we go about acquiring some kefir? I have no interest in topical applications since I'm positive that my problems are internal - I rather have kefir doing its work on the inside and eventually it will fix my MPB situation.

Moby, this entire thread was about topical use, not internal.

Kefir is a good probiotic, but if you think ingesting it daily is going to "fix" your MPB I worry you are setting yourself up for failure.

No doubt you will probably see some benefits digestion-wise, so I'd say look online to buy some grains or find a retailer near you. Don't use the big branded "kefir" drinks or "qeuphor" that are really just drinkable yogurt, you want the real fermented stuff. Also, start slow as too much kefir too soon can lead to well, let's just say explosive anal evacuation...

Have to disagree. MPB is internal problem isn't it? Something starts on the inside before it moves onto the skin and then follicles. Using kefir topically wouldn't really fix the main problem. Yes, I would like to optimize my gut to the max. There are no kefir shops near where I live - it's walmart land over here. Making my own kefir is not really an option since I'm a noob. Why is there no market for kefir?

Yes, MPB is an internal issue, but everyone has been on this thread about the improvements that kefir makes as a topical. Yeah it'll help your bacteria in your gut, but the bacteria in your gut is not that same as those on your head - meaning, just because it is effective as a topical doesn't mean it will do the same internally. Otherwise people would be drinking minoxidil, the topical solution.

But I'm a fan of kefir, again I just don't want you to put all your eggs in the probiotic basket. I think you could find grains you could buy by mail no problem, just do a google search. It's not hard to make, you just have to commit to moving it and monitoring it.

Best of luck with it!