Is slowing down the best we can hope for?

After years of constantly reevaluating my diet and lifestyle, I am coming to the end of the cul-de-sac of natural methods. Is slowing down our hair loss the best we can hope for? Can we not reverse it and essentially "cure" it, or are our genetics far too powerful to override? I have seen some people regrow hair (2young with dermarolling) and have seen some claim that we are screwed from the get go.

Let's discuss this with whatever studies/proof we can bring up.

what is your diet ?

supplements ?

topicals ?

what have you experimented with ? diet/supplements ?

blood tests ?

The issue is, is that this is a perpetual game of whack-a-mole where it is nearly impossible to know if what we are doing is working. It is widely believed that in order to judge a regimens efficacy, we need to give it a years time. The problem in that is that hair loss is not linear. It has periods of slowing down, even halting, and then periods of intense loss. So in essence, just when you think you're out of this nightmare the regimen you thought was saving your hair was really just your hair loss taking a quick breather... so then you head back to the drawing board, and plan out next years regimen, hoping for something better. Problem is we only have so many years... In my case only one(fml lul)

just answer the questions

I don't need the rhetoric and philosophy

Supps: I don't like supplements. I take zinc, that is all.
Topicals: Regenepure, Miconazole Nitrate if I feel like it
Experimented with: Entire contents of this thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=160444941
Blood tests: nope, no money to due to supps. can you guess why I don't like supps?

Current status: Weak nw3, up from NW4. Lose 5-6 hairs in shower a day. I inhibit DHT and perform DT, that's it for most part. If anyone else wants my results and wants to do it natty, can try beta sis and DT but no guarantees on it working.

Growdamnit wrote:After years of constantly reevaluating my diet and lifestyle, I am coming to the end of the cul-de-sac of natural methods. Is slowing down our hair loss the best we can hope for? Can we not reverse it and essentially "cure" it, or are our genetics far too powerful to override? I have seen some people regrow hair (2young with dermarolling) and have seen some claim that we are screwed from the get go.

Let's discuss this with whatever studies/proof we can bring up.

I think so. I think slowing down hair loss is what we mostly achieve. Just remeber that doing something about it is better than doing nothing. But I wouldn´t count keeping my hair for life due to supplements. I rather prepare myself for baldness - it sucks, I know...but it is better that to living my life limited by my fear of going bald - i.e. no more food restrictions, no more money and expectations to invest on supplements. For most of us, it will happen. Maybe supplements and a few lifestyle changes can delay it for a decade or two, but it will happen - it´s better to think this way than the opposite, I believe.

You can always invest on mimicking propecia with supplements. Call it a symptoms treatment, but it seems to work. A lot of people stated that beta sis helped them. Give it a try

that "well known post on bodybuilding.com" was probably fake and deeply unscientific for people wanting to regrow hair

Yes, read the thread in my signature, I have tried that regimen and more and more and more and more

I now know
what works,
what doesn't work,
and why,
and why it doesn't work

Focusing my attention away from fish oil, magic herbs, magic smoothies, magic supplements,
but concentrating on pgd2 and focusing my attention on aspirin, caffeine and niacin

also, trying to avoid PUFA , and seeing what results I get

Of my time spent on this forum, I noticed that people tend to focus on symptoms too much. The root cause of all autoimmune diseases lies in the gut and gut microbiome. If you are taking supplements such as beta sis, focusing on dht, massage, Thyroid,  you are just hoping that it can suppress the symptoms enough for it to have an effect. You're very lucky if these treatments work.

Leaky gut; the permeability of the gut releasing toxins and pathogens into the bloodstream causing allergies and infection should be the focus. Rebuilding the gut lining and repopulating the gut flora with beneficial bacteria, optimizing digestion is what we need to focus on imo.

Supplements like l-glutamine, colostrum to rebuild the gut along with consuming liver, shellfish, and gelatin weekly for minerals and vitamins a&b,  copper, zinc  will go a long way in putting you on the right path.

Consuming probiotics s boulardii, lactobacillus gg (these two are the most researched and most beneficial) , and others (fermented foods as well) to repopulate the gut.

Antibacterial approach whether it be supplements (iodine, oil of oregano etc)  or rife

And detoxing lymph and heavy metals

Keeping away from allergy causing foods for a while til the gut is healed.

This stuff is probably the most valuable information found on the forum and I hope more people would focus on this. I still think this forum provides a huge database of information to fight hairloss and if you look for the things posted, you should be on your way to stopping this shit. Use the search feature on the forum and go through the archives if you need to understand more.

After you do all this, you can start massaging your head and seeing more benefits from some hair growth supplements.

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:what is your diet ?

supplements ?

topicals ?

what have you experimented with ? diet/supplements ?

blood tests ?

Jarrow Formulas
Ashwaganda
Zinc
Silicon

Ortho Nutrition:
Stabilized R-lipoic acid
Ecklonia Cava
Decalcify
Antioxidant Boost

MRM:
Acetyl L-Carnitine
MSM Crystals

Doctor’s Best Vit. C Quali-C
Garden of Life Probiotics
Thorne B-Complex #12
Life Extension Super Selenium
Now Foods Vitamin A
Morningstar Minerals Immune Boost 77
Garden of Life Extra Virgin Coconut Oil
Black Currant Oil
Trace Minerals 40k Volt Electrolyte Concentrate
Iosol Iodine

Olive oil 2x week
Rejuveplex every night

Have tried nearly every diet, currently vegan.

No blood tests yet.

I have tried brushing for over a year and a half and am currently on DT for about 7 months.

I can't believe that we are on a time limit. If people can regrow their hair, doesn't mean there is hope for everyone?

EDIT: I'm not changing away from veganism because of religion now, but I am not sure if I am getting anything close to gelatin.

add some caffeine/niacin powder into the rejuveplex

just a tiny amount/ like 1/8th of a teaspoon

As much as I would like to have a natural method to cure hairloss I'm hoping that the two new hopes on the horizon will work to some degree. Setipiprant is a drug and is probably a few years away for hairloss but it already has a good tolerance profile and has been well studied. The other is that IGF-1 topical coming out this fall from the university of florida. It is somewhat natural in it's components. The only scary thing is some cancers are related to the IGF-1 pathway. But they're using so little that it's registered as a supplement instead of a drug. I'm betting my money on these two things since propecia and minox did squat for me.

But we can never be so sure. How many times have we seen, "The cure is right around the corner/coming out in the next year/2/5/10, etc."

I know. All we can do is take a wait and see approach. It's just the time frame that is nice to see. The fall isn't too far away. And setipiprant may get rushed thru the testing phases since it's not a new drug. Oh pah-leeeeease lord, let this work for us lol.

shaftless wrote:As much as I would like to have a natural method to cure hairloss I'm hoping that the two new hopes on the horizon will work to some degree. Setipiprant is a drug and is probably a few years away for hairloss but it already has a good tolerance profile and has been well studied. The other is that IGF-1 topical coming out this fall from the university of florida. It is somewhat natural in it's components. The only scary thing is some cancers are related to the IGF-1 pathway. But they're using so little that it's registered as a supplement instead of a drug. I'm betting my money on these two things since propecia and minox did squat for me.

what topicals have you already tried ??

list them

see the ones in my signature, particular Solban

iuyy,

Can I ask you not to deviate from the subject matter? You have yet to answer the question.

Growdamnit wrote:iuyy,

Can I ask you not to deviate from the subject matter? You have yet to answer the question.

which question ?

"Is slowing down the best we can hope for?"

no, you can get regrowth if you know what you are doing

If I was being 100% honest I would drop each supplement from your list, re introuduce each one week after week,

and start all over again

I've used minox and a bunch of homemade topicals with peppermint oil (it seems to affect your lungs a bit and made my voice scratchy), caffeine, bee propolis, crushed cetirizine tabs (as a pgd2 inhibitor). Nothing worked. I am a bit impatient too and if I don't see some kind of results in 2 - 3 weeks I move on. I hate trying something for 4 or 5 months only to see it didn't work.

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

Growdamnit wrote:iuyy,

Can I ask you not to deviate from the subject matter? You have yet to answer the question.

which question ?

"Is slowing down the best we can hope for?"

no, you can get regrowth if you know what you are doing

If I was being 100% honest I would drop each supplement from your list, re introuduce each one week after week,

and start all over again

What would be the purpose of week after week if it takes months to see any form of a result?

Growdamnit wrote:

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

Growdamnit wrote:iuyy,

Can I ask you not to deviate from the subject matter? You have yet to answer the question.

which question ?

"Is slowing down the best we can hope for?"

no, you can get regrowth if you know what you are doing

If I was being 100% honest I would drop each supplement from your list, re introuduce each one week after week,

and start all over again

What would be the purpose of week after week if it takes months to see any form of a result?

think this is one of the biggest issues with hair regrowth. many success stories of regrowth occur after months, 6-12 months.

so whatever one does, have some solid rationale behind it and stick with it, and do it consistently. else what's the point?

that's what I'm doing.

currently 3 months in with a planned out kitchen-sink-approach which I've committed to sticking with for the entirety of 2015.

Okay

actually I am wrong

each person should experiment until they find what works for them