Any Alternative to minox?

hey guys,

i have been on fin and niz for my regime and i am thinking to add spiro 5S cream as my part of my treatment. At this moment I dont think I am ready to take minox yet. I am wonder is there any alternative to minox? I have search on the web there is alot different thing it say it can be one of the growth stimulants or minox alternative. Here is the product that i search on the web and see any memeber have comment on it.

AHK-CU
EMU + Castor oil (or other oil) or any other oils
Spectral DNC
Tricomin
Folligen
Apple polly
Other (see any of you guys recommend)

P.S. is there any side of using those product?

I would like to know is there any non minox user have success with any other topical treatment.


Please kindly advise

Phat

Niacin.

Citrulline/arginine

This has been discussed in a thread below

For topical?

I don't actually know.
I assume both work. topically and internally

Phat wrote:For topical?

ALTERNATIVE?

Topic Title: Hair-growth-promoting solution containing chlorine dioxide, preparation methods and using methods thereof

https://imgur.com/1ZY3A1H

CausticSymmetry wrote:Minoxidil in a word is poison. The same goes with those others.

I really don't believe is it possible to use band-aids for maximum hair regrowth.

Hair loss is a result of a systemic problem.

It is both.

If you cut yourself, you can let it heal.

Or speed things up by rubbing aloe vera on it, for example

Also, apple-poly offer a refund if you do not regrow hair.  And they actually do refund people, as simple as that.
Obviously provide before and after pictures so that they trust you.

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:Minoxidil in a word is poison. The same goes with those others.

I really don't believe is it possible to use band-aids for maximum hair regrowth.

Hair loss is a result of a systemic problem.

It is both.

If you cut yourself, you can let it heal.

Or speed things up by rubbing aloe vera on it, for example

Also, apple-poly offer a refund if you do not regrow hair.  And they actually do refund people, as simple as that.
Obviously provide before and after pictures so that they trust you.

Hi iuyyighghghgkh,

Wt kind of regime u use?

I have search apple polly on the web, it seen work from the web they mention, but i don't see much ppl using it. So not sure abt the effect.

Hi habemus,

What kind of product is that? Is pretty interesting.

Well, apple polyphenols offer a refund if you didn't sprout new hair.

However, the product did not work for me , so I wasted 3 months of experimenting with them. But at least I didn't lose money.

The only thing that sprouted new hair for me is hard to say, as my regimen is about 8 things.

But I am sure it had something to do with the topical progesterone and mitochondrial based supplements I take, like ubiquinol, d-ribose, taurine, etc.

Is progesterone similar to spiro?
Any what do u think abt emu and castor oil? Are those help to regrow hair? Or at lease make the hair he healther right?

Phat wrote:Is progesterone similar to spiro?
Any what do u think abt emu and castor oil? Are those help to regrow hair? Or at lease make the hair he healther right?

As someone who tried emu oil for 3 years. No, it doesn't do anything.

I regrew new hair within one month using progesterone.  It may have been my supplement regimen, but I don't know.

The youtuber user adkpinecone also used emu oil for about a year. It does next to nothing. 1 person in a million might regrow hair from it.

castor oil is good to use on existing hair.

even if it did, hair loss coincides with

thyroid malfunction
mitochondria malfunction
heart disease
stress hormones

Rubbing magic lotion in your head is only masking the problem.

Apparently from Wikipedia:

Copper peptide GHK-Cu and its analogues were found to stimulate hair growth. In some circumstances, the efficiency of synthetic analog of GHK-Cu was similar to that of 5% minoxidil

Where do u got the progesterone? Is it similar to spiro 5% cream?

There are literally dozens of safe alternatives to minoxidil.

Plenty of information about progesterone here, within the internal (google selection) option of this site.

I tried progesterone in all sorts of ways since the mid-1990's... It's effects do not last long enough. It's better to alter the hormone expression rather than do add a specific hormone.

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:
I regrew new hair within one month using progesterone.  It may have been my supplement regimen, but I don't know.
.

Did you use it topically?

yep, topically, on the balding area.

However I began using it at the same time as mitochondria based supplements. one of them caused new growth.

However, I also take citrulline. this produces nitric oxide which also mimics minoxidil, supposedly, but also nitric oxide is needed in the mitochondria.

Hi CS,

Thx for your reply. Yes, u are right I have search on the web and there is a lot of product say they are more effective than minox. Such as apple polly, rev, tricomin and etc. but when I search on the others forum, it doesn't have much user feedback or even say those are snake oil. So I am kinda confuse and don't know what is the best althernimative to minox.

Phat wrote:Hi habemus,

What kind of product is that? Is pretty interesting.

hi

is CD Liu's lotion ( solution containing chlorine dioxide)

Today, I will start the 3rd cycle (20 + 10).
A NW7 not need pics BEFORE (is bald )
A roundup of several positions where I see results.

https://i.imgur.com/CS8us0j.jpg

habemus wrote:

Phat wrote:Hi habemus,

What kind of product is that? Is pretty interesting.

hi

is  CD Liu's lotion ( solution containing chlorine dioxide)

Today, I will start the 3rd cycle (20 + 10).
A NW7 not need pics BEFORE (is bald )
A roundup of several positions where I see results.

https://i.imgur.com/CS8us0j.jpg

Looks snake oilish

At least apple polyphenols offer a refund if you see no new hair.

what is it ?

and where do i buy it ?

Phat wrote:Hi CS,

Thx for your reply. Yes, u are right I have search on the web and there is a lot of product say they are more effective than minox. Such as apple polly, rev, tricomin and etc. but when I search on the others forum, it doesn't have much user feedback or even say those are snake oil. So I am kinda confuse and don't know what is the best alternative to minox.

The main problem with this thing we call hair loss is that by and large, we sufferers often look at this condition from the perspective of a pharmaceutical company.

What I'm trying to say is, that various different products or substances are going to have a radically different impact/effect depending on the user.......because their underlying reasons for their hair loss will be different.

I've had I suppose an advantage since I have researched virtually most natural substances that are commercially available from a hair growth perspective. However, what works for one person may not work for another. Snake oil actually does work, it's just been maligned from the pharmaceutical cartel. Snake Oil contains Omega-3 fatty acids. It does contain some anti-inflammatory activity.

My point is that more often than not, we need a variety of treatments or at the very least, a number of methodologies to combat sources of inflammation.

Just to give an idea of how complex MPB can be, there is a certain percentage of us who can take the best treatments
that exist (natural or pharmaceutical) and will not experience any significant results.....Why? Because there is an internal problem that persists.

I've literally looked at thousands of lab results from a hair loss perspective for over a decade and I think most people would be stunned to realize that quite frequently they are/have over looked something fundamental.

Or they might have an inflammatory condition that was interfering with their ability to allow anything to work.

Now getting to your question....about Minoxidil alternatives. First, Minoxidil doesn't work very well to begin with. It has only a 30 to 40% success rate. If a person takes enough sulfur they can boost that to 80%. However, Minoxidil is poison (specifically, it will accelerate aging to the face).

Many of the supplements I take either enhance the transport of sulfur, which is vital to physiology and/or increase the workings of it.

In fact, I would go as far to say that it is a sulfated substance that is doing most of the work. Ecklonia cava is a sulfated polysaccharide loaded in tannins that have pro-health effects.

Applepoly exceeds in marketing only, however I think it's low on the totem pole vs Ecklonia cava. For one thing, Ecklonia cava has a half-life of 12 to 14 hours (vs 30 minutes for applepoly) and applepoly only affects water soluble tissue, whereas Ecklonia cava affects both water and lipid soluble.

Curcumin/Resveratrol (+ sulphoraphane & quercetin), all in Antioxidant Boost is easily better than minoxidil too.

Having said that too, I was one of those people who needed to address several other areas of health before I could get the best performance from supplements.

CS, would antioxidant boost be a good adjunct to a user that has unfortunately resorted to fin? What would be the best supp(1 or 2) to take if you're on the drug? I'm thinking since fin is supposedly supposed to stop hair loss from progressing I'd need something to stimulate growth... reason I ask is you said that the combo in antioxidant boost is better than minox, but does that mean it's a growth stimulant, or another preventive measure, or just better in general? Thanks.

SonofOdin wrote:CS, would antioxidant boost be a good adjunct to a user that has unfortunately resorted to fin? What would be the best supp(1 or 2) to take if you're on the drug? I'm thinking since fin is supposedly supposed to stop hair loss from progressing I'd need something to stimulate growth... reason I ask is you said that the combo in antioxidant boost is better than minox, but does that mean it's a growth stimulant, or another preventive measure, or just better in general? Thanks.

The picture can get a little muddy when a drug is entered in, mainly because its effects on one's endocrine system is not always predictable.

For example, the main concern about finasteride is that it suppresses the synthesis of a key protective factor in hair loss.

Here's what I mean: The efficacy of finasteride is based on two very important things: (1) If there is sufficient growth hormone. If there's isn't, then no androgen blockade therapy will work. (2) If you're approaching your late 20's or are already past that point, then chances are that your SHBG will not be low enough to justify finasteride because by that time, the inevitable rise of estrogen will push SHBG up, so that the level of free testosterone will not carry a significant level of convertible free T into DHT. In other words, finasteride "works" much more effective in young people than it does older people.

Towards the mid-point of the 20's and beyond, finasteride will work less and less effectively and at the same time, because it prevents a large part of allopregenolone forming in the brain, there is now a higher susceptibility to anxiety and depression and sensitivity to stress.

In other words, stress becomes more dominant at that point and DHT takes a back seat. Based on hormonal profiles, the problem becomes a low testosterone to cortisol ratio.

The final point though is that there is a radical difference between reduction of 5-alpha reductase in pharmaceuticals vs naturals. In a drug, it's a gene suppression which is protracted and disallows other steroid metabolites (protective ones), while a natural substances uses electron donors to reduce 5-AR without any side-effects and reducing oxidative stress at the same time.

The worst part about finasteride is that is can alter the endocrine system (damage it), and how bad that collateral damage it depends on each person.

Phat wrote:Hi habemus,

What kind of product is that? Is pretty interesting.

you can see better in this picture.

https://imgur.com/CS8us0j


Each cycle 20 days of application and 10 days of break.
1x day only .The inventor says that 12 cycles are enough to restore any hair.

No need minox.duta or keto, or fin, Nothing!

I'm doing the test for 4 months

habemus wrote:

Phat wrote:Hi habemus,

What kind of product is that? Is pretty interesting.

you can see better in this picture.

https://imgur.com/CS8us0j


Each cycle 20 days of application and 10 days of break.
1x day only .The inventor says that 12 cycles are enough to restore any hair.

No need minox.duta or keto, or fin, Nothing!

I'm doing the test for 4 months

What is the product ?

Where do you buy it ?

Simple questions.

You have a snake oily way of writing.

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:

habemus wrote:

Phat wrote:Hi habemus,

What kind of product is that? Is pretty interesting.

you can see better in this picture.

https://imgur.com/CS8us0j


Each cycle 20 days of application and 10 days of break.
1x day only .The inventor says that 12 cycles are enough to restore any hair.

No need minox.duta or keto, or fin, Nothing!

I'm doing the test for 4 months

What is the product ?

Where do you buy it ?

Simple questions.

You have a snake oily way of writing.

Is google translation, I can do better.

Where to buy not know, I received my sample from Poland, another trialista.

The inventor is Chinese.