Anxiety, Depression, Stress and Panic Attacks - Please Read - Acidosis

How do some forms of Magnesium make the depression worse and what are the most that do it.....been taking Mag Taurate for the couple of weeks now and felt it helped in the beginning but not so much now.

chapat wrote:How do some forms of Magnesium make the depression worse and what are the most that do it.....been taking Mag Taurate for the couple of weeks now and felt it helped in the beginning but not so much now.

Magnesium Aspartate is a bad source and can do more damage then good, there are more sorry I cant remember them of by hand. The types of magnesium I use are Mag Chloride, Mag Glycinate, Mag Citrate and Mag Orotate. I find all magnesium types work a little different, for me I found Mag Chloride and Mag Glycinate to be the best for better nights sleeps, depression etc....

Thanks that's real interesting, within a few days of taking the mag Taurate I felt alot better but felt like it came back alittle bit....I also just read the Aciphex that I take for acid reflux can cause mag deficiency in alot of people.

I just purchased the Ionways Athena, which is supposed to be the best water ionizer currently on the market. Scientific studies are sometimes worthless, and increasing ORP and pH definitely has some merit. I can't have an opinion on something until I've given it a shot myself.

4039 wrote:I just purchased the Ionways Athena, which is supposed to be the best water ionizer currently on the market. Scientific studies are sometimes worthless, and increasing ORP and pH definitely has some merit. I can't have an opinion on something until I've given it a shot myself.

Post us an update in 3 weeks, would like to see how it is working for you.

4039 wrote:I just purchased the Ionways Athena, which is supposed to be the best water ionizer currently on the market. Scientific studies are sometimes worthless, and increasing ORP and pH definitely has some merit. I can't have an opinion on something until I've given it a shot myself.

Also you would be very interested in this link if you just purchased a water ionizer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mMy8Aq12Ogs

Diet was by memory, Ionized water, Fish, Veggies, Probiotics.

Have any of u guys taken a neurotransmitter test before? And how accurate r they......

Depression and anxiety become so dangerous if it can’t be treated as soon as possible. There are some help to know; how to fight depression?

I would like to add been playing around with Amino Acids for anxiety and depression seems to be some really valid studies and reviews.

Will update in the weeks or months a head.

Just for the record, I ended up not purchasing the ionizer. While the ORP and smaller hydrogen clusters are extremely appealing, I believe drinking higher pH water might eventually cause a harmful imbalance of acidic minerals: chloride, phosphorus, silica, sulfur etc.

Plus electrifying calcium and harmful chemicals (potentially in not perfectly filtered water,) and therefore making them more bioavailable, might not be such a bright idea.

I still believe maintaining a proper acid/alkaline balance means getting enough alkaline forming minerals (especially mag and potassium) while maintaining an acidic stomach with enough chlorides.

bobthebuilder wrote:I would like to add been playing around with Amino Acids for anxiety and depression seems to be some really valid studies and reviews.

Will update in the weeks or months a head.

Most definitely. Some digestive systems are incapable (to varying degrees) of breaking down complex proteins and can cause malnourishment of basic aminos. Just be careful, as some amino acid formulations are nothing more than encapsulated whey.

For instance, I highly recommend pharma grade Anobol Naturals Amino Balance.
https://www.anabolnaturals.com/formula-supplements/amino-balance/cat_13.html

4039 wrote:Just for the record, I ended up not purchasing the ionizer. While the ORP and smaller hydrogen clusters are extremely appealing, I believe drinking higher pH water might eventually cause a harmful imbalance of acidic minerals: chloride, phosphorus, silica, sulfur etc.

Plus electrifying calcium and harmful chemicals (potentially in not perfectly filtered water,) and therefore making them more bioavailable, might not be such a bright idea.

I still believe maintaining a proper acid/alkaline balance means getting enough alkaline forming minerals (especially mag and potassium) while maintaining an acidic stomach with enough chlorides.

bobthebuilder wrote:I would like to add been playing around with Amino Acids for anxiety and depression seems to be some really valid studies and reviews.

Will update in the weeks or months a head.

Most definitely. Some digestive systems are incapable (to varying degrees) of breaking down complex proteins and can cause malnourishment of basic aminos. Just be careful, as some amino acid formulations are nothing more than encapsulated whey.

For instance, I highly recommend pharma grade Anobol Naturals Amino Balance.
https://www.anabolnaturals.com/formula-supplements/amino-balance/cat_13.html

You are very correct there, people fail to see reverse osmosis is dangerous over long periods, same with ionized water. These should only be used for periods of repair.

The last video I posted, I don't believe you would see quick results without the ionized water, due to bacterial infestation.

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Paradox wrote:

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JosephineMarie wrote:I've managed for the first time EVER EVER EVER *without pharmaceutical help* to manage my severe anxiety and depression by consistently using:

goat colostrum 2 x day
high-dose probiotics (100 billion) (at bedtime)
200 mg 5 htp (bedtime)
6 mg melatonin (bedtime)
Gaia's adrenal formulation 1 to 2x day (has ashwaghanda and rhodiolia, holy basil)
Omega 3s

That sinking morning anxiety is history. Am I bouncing on air? No, but I don't want to shoot myself, so....

Wow...Thanks! A few things are interesting to me. I know I have really bad adrenals from testing so I just ordered 'Enzymatic therapy adrenal stress end'. I have hydrocortisone but don't use it regularly and can't determine how much it helps or doesn't.

6mg of melatonin is A LOT! lol I'm surprised you don't have a hard time waking up or a "hangover" effect?

I tried 5-htp before more than once and it either didn't help or made things much worse. I can never really be sure because I'm always coming off the wretched Rx's at the same time within a month or two.

Of course this is the question that everyone loves to ask and hates to answer: What do you think is contributing the most? Or another question would be, what do you think you could drop?

Lastly....What probiotic, and I'm not even sure I know what colostrum does but I can google it.

thanks

Hi Paradox. Yeah, 6 mg is a lot of melatonin and combined with the sleep-inducing 5 htp, I have to admit I sleep like the dead. It's like I shut my eyes and the next thing I know it is morning and yeah, I’m a little slow getting out of bed, but I can handle it. I think what is helping the most with anxiety are the melatonin, 5-htp and the Gaia adrenal. I can live with a little depression if I have to but anxiety is total and pure hell, so I am pretty happy with not having to feel it  and I’m happy I don’t have to take meds that further hurt my tired adrenals and thyroid anymore just so I can avoid having panic attacks. Honestly, I never thought I’d find the right combo of nutrients but I have (knock on wood!) One thing I am doing to help my adrenals as well is taking lypo-c—I make it homemade now using an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner, vitamin c crystals and lecithin. I love it and I'm certain my adrenals love it too.

I agree that anxiety is pure hell. It's frustrating trying to describe it to people when they just think it's "nervousness" or over-worrying. No....It's like existential terror....everything is terribly and unbelievably wrong. A bit of depression you can hide but not real anxiety....It's impossible.

I wish I could get off meds, but I've tried a few times now with the kitchen sink approach and failed. I can't imagine ever being off them actually.

Does 5-htp give you nightmares? I remember it did for me.

Lypo-C is something I've been meaning to get around to reading about. I just know that it is a better form of C. I'm intrigued about the homemade approach too.

Paradox, I have remembered some dreams of late but I can't say that I am having nightmares--nothing too distressing. I tried 5 htp on its own before and it didn't work for me--it wasn't enough to rely on it alone for me. I think definitely it is the combo I've got going on that is helping--and really it is rather another a kitchen sink approach when you look at the long list of stuff I am taking every day. Truly though I am still surprised it worked/is working b/c I have tried so many different natural approaches to try to fix my lifelong anxiety problems--lithium o, inisotal (sp?), Gaba, etc. I haven't dumped my clonazepam down the toilet yet--although I haven't taken any for a couple months, nor have I thrown my imipramine down the sink--yet--I am going to leave both of those scripts in the cupboard just in case something does go sideways, but by now, after not being on pharmaceuticals for many weeks, I'd normally be in the throws of horrible panic attacks and depression and my brain would be showing me pictures of how to end things, if you know what I mean, and I am amazingly and surprisingly not in the dark place. This is not typical for me, so I am keeping fingers crossed that I stay here and I will continue my routine of supplements that I have going.

About the lipo c--I find that I am rather getting addicted to taking it--it's like my body enjoys it so much it rather craves it. I probably need the lecithin in it--I am allergic to eggs and haven't eaten them for years, so I wonder if my body is just grooving on that part of it. I've started adding lecithing to my protein shakes too. It's cool to be able to make it relatively cheaply (as compared to buying it from liv on labs and $30 a box). Thank God (or somebody) for the internet so we can learn how to do these things for ourselves and take good care of our bodies

That's really awesome! I definitely know what you mean about the brain showing you pictures unfortunately. I'm really encouraged.

So were you on clonazepam daily? How long have you been Rx free now? I know that when I stop my AD it doesn't truly hit me until about a month later. It gradually creeps back in daily until one day it's too much to handle and I have to pop the pills immediately. It's like slowly suffocating...At first a little less air isn't so bad, but when you can't breath all of the sudden you gasp for it.

I always liked lecithin but it was a hassle for me trying to blend the granules. I never tried the powder. Maybe I should. I crave eggs/lecithin so it may be that and not the C itself, but that's an added benefit and huge for adrenals.

Is there a link or something for the DIY lipo-C you used?

I haven't taken the clonazepam for many months--I was on it daily for at least a year, and then sporadically for a couple of years, and then when I started to take imipramine, I found I didn't need the clonazepam because the imipramine was sedating enough. I have done just exactly why you described so very many times--try some new and natural way to conquer anxiety only to have to go scurrying back to the drugs because I got sideswiped by anxiety after 3 weeks or a month of the new routine. Anyway, the good news here is that this time there has been no indication, not even an inkling, of it creeping back--and I know exaclty what you are saying--you can always feel it creeping back. You start having bad dreams, you don't sleep well, wake up many times in the middle of the night, etc., and then it just blows up and you have a panic attack of monumental proportion. I am hoping I get to keep this peace that I am experiencing. I'm keeping my fingers crossed. If this fails, I will come here and admit that I haven't found my answer to anxiety b/c I don't want to lead anybody down a path that doesn't work, that's for sure.

Here's the link to info/a video of how to make lipo C. This last batch I made I added more lecithin trying to thicken it up a bit. I used 8 tablespoons rather than 6 and a half. It still wasn't thick like the liv-on labs product, but whatever--doesn't really matter to me. The encapsulation percentage is around 70% apparently and I think that's pretty good for homemade!

http://blog.bestzapper.com/2012/02/how-to-make-liposomal-vitamin-c-homemade/

Thanks for the link. I haven't been back so I'm just seeing this. Wow....diazepam everyday for a year had to be hell to come off? Some people cana't manage to ever fully come off benzos. Did you introduce another drug when you came off? I'm on klonopin everyday and came off completely once. I went a couple months but ended up returning to it out of desperation. WHen I came off I had to use water titration to come off slowly over months.

I tried the adrenal supplement you take and it gave me the worse anxiety! I'm on an MAOI that raises dopamine and there is tyrosine in the supplement so I'm guessing that's what did it. When I was off AD's before and scrambling to try to find something that worked, I tried tyrosine and at first I think it made me feel better but later worse. I'm not sure because I was taking 5-htp with it and other stuff all introduced at the same time.

I've tried 5-htp and melatonin before and never noticed too much anxiety relief. I want to come off the drugs (at least the AD) but it's such a gamble. I'm starting a college program that's 2 years long and I can't have any down time. Even if I wasn't, going back on the AD sucks because it makes me feel like an alzheimers (spelling?) patient until I get used to it and the drowsiness that I feel while on it is so much worse in the beginning. My thinking becomes ridiculously clouded. I'm amazed I can even function on the stuff once I get used to it.

SSRI's are shit but this MAOI Nardil that I'm on is the only thing that's worked for me without as many side effects as ssris (mainly just drowsiness). It is unique because it works on Gaba. So when I stop the Nardil I lose the GABA anxiety effect of it as well as the AD properties. Sure I'm still on Klonopin but there must be a compound synergistic effect and they work different ways. I have no idea when in my life I will have a free month or more to try the natural route experiment again. It can be so liberating at first and then so disappointing, which is magnified exponentially because of the returned depression/anxiety. This may sound crazy but my physical appearance as well as others changes when I'm not on it. I become tripped out be how I look and perceive myself to be "uglier". I remember telling someone, "human beings are such weird looking creatures" last time.. lol.

I forgot to mention that I read a research paper on Nardil and the author/s speculated/concluded that it works via corticotropin regulation. I've tested my adrenals twice and both times had really low cortisol. I've since learned that benzos lower cortisol so the klonoin definitely does. But I wonder if the Nardil does as well. I may actually have high cortisol naturally and the meds serve to bring it down. I remember when I was talking to my ND about it and he asked about adrenals. This was when I was off both meds and trying to find something natural. I told him I didn't need an adrenal test because I had plenty of energy and never drowsy like I am on meds. Things that sedate me have always worked the best. I only drink caffeine because I'm so sedated by the meds. Off meds I couldn't handle a cup of coffee.

Very interesting read! I have been on the paleo diet minus fruit for some time now. I notice if go back to wheat, processed foods my mood does change, worth a read.

http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/brainallergies.htm

"The allergic child may suffer from the so-called 'allergic-tension-fatigue syndrome' described by Dr. Frederic Speer in 1954 [x], which results in irritability, hyperactivity and impaired concentration, thus adversely affecting school performance. The most convincing evidence that this is indeed so, comes from a well conducted double-blind, placebo controlled crossover trial by Dr Egger and his team who studied 76 hyperactive children to find out whether diet can contribute to behavioural disorders. The results showed that 79% of the children tested reacted adversely to artificial food colourants and preservatives, primarily to tartrazine and benzoic acid, which produced a marked deterioration in their behaviour. However no child reacted to these alone. In fact 48 different foods were found to produce symptoms among the children tested. For example 64% reacted to cow's milk, 59% to chocolate, 49% to wheat, 45% to oranges, 39 to eggs, 32% to peanuts, and 16% to sugar. Interestingly enough it was not only the children's behaviour which improved after the individual dietary modification. Most of the associated symptoms also improved considerably, such as headaches, fits, abdominal discomfort, chronic rhinitis, aches in limbs, skin rashes and mouth ulcers."

"Adults are also affected by food and/or chemical allergy. When Dr. Philpott, a US allergy expert, examined 250 emotionally disturbed patients for a possible presence of food/chemical allergies, using elimination and challenge diet, he found that the highest percentage of symptoms seemed to occur in patients diagnosed as psychotic [x]. For example, out of 53 patients diagnosed as schizophrenic, 64% reacted adversely to wheat, 50% to cow's milk, 75% to tobacco and 30% to petrochemical hydrocarbons. The emotional symptoms caused by allergic intolerance ranged from mild central nervous system symptoms such as dizziness, blurred vision, anxiety, depression, tension, hyperactivity and speech difficulties to gross psychotic symptoms. At the same time, the individuals also experienced various adverse physical symptoms such as headaches, feeling of unsteadiness, weakness, palpitations and muscle aches and pains."