Curcumin : The Natural / CS

I am basically saying (in my opinion, no real science behind it) that try to get the best of both worlds: use some BCM95 (that is a concentrate curcumin) and also use the whole root powder ~ and on top make sure the delivery mechanism is right (oil based). This should give us all the possible good with a good delivery mechanism.

I have not seen any data that says BCM95 is exlusively better over the whole root and neither the opposite ~ so why play, get both and hope for the best....

europe wrote:i understand lund....

but, if so, i will always take jarrows curcumin 95 for example ALWAYS WITH FOOD, and always with one capsule of Borage oil and/or krill oil. So that would be cool....or perhaps the mix will not be as perfect in the stoach, this is why they need to be completely mixes prior eating....that would make sense too...

So to get back to your post above, you are not so "agree" with the new chapter "whole" theory.... I mean, why use curcu95 if we only have 10% in real root....perhpas that is the 11% curcum comiend with the 80 other stuff that make the effetc...
So, perhaps it's not a so real good idea, at least NECESSARY, to add 95 to the new chapter softgel.

I suppose that one full teaspoon of whole turmeric powder is not enough effective to work for hair no ? because it's no big deal to mix one teaspoon in olive oil....when we are at home....

Personally, I feel pretty confident about New Chapter, especially regarding Turmeric/Curcumin. They use a 200 to 1 extract if I read correctly. From feedback over the years I can confidently say their products work. Jarrow is another great company and probably either way you're not going to go wrong. LEF BCM-95 seems decent enough, but I'm going to give Turmeric Force a try.

I've used New Chapter's Zyflamend product in the past, which can be considered their flagship product--probably their best selling. It contains plenty of Turmeric in there and you can feel it in the stomach.

We are talking about turmeric etc...cool...

But, if that works, how can we say that this thing works, say with resveretrol....
Because nobody speaks about hair in the feedback no ?

And last, as anyone is different, and as many people experienced BAD (hair) reaction with 7HMR, what are the main bad side effetcs apart stomach aches if not taken with food or lipids....

Even if i know that curcumin alone won't treat hairloss ( except with mix with resveretrol though)...

So I emptied a Jarrow BCM95 capsule in warm/hot milk, mixed it well, and drank the concoction ~ man, my head has been dizzy for the last 20 minutes ~ just light headed and it is 1:30PM here. This shit is serious under milk. I never got the same dizziness after taking just the capsule. So much so that next time I will only do this before bedtime ~ I am di--zzzz----yyyyyyyy

yeah....dizzy man does not interst me. In the contrary, dizzy hairy man does !

hey lund, if you're dizzy with Curcumin, DO NOT DRINK WINE AFTER THAT !! i'm kidding....drink a whole bottle of good red wine (bourgogne) ,
And get laid maaaaaaaaaaaan !!!!!( don't forget to take maca though)
then rest (dont forget to take sensoril)
then breathe ( don't forget to take cod liver for the smell)
then smile to your girlfriend ( don't forget to take whole turmeric powder in the mouth)
than get laid again !!!! ( don't forget to take EC to avoid inflammation of the bodies...)

Am i the only one laughing here ?

hey CS, New Chapter, Zyflamend, 120 Softgel Capsules seems to have great reviews....

and great ingredients....for inflammation though.

Do you think that at this dosage, that could be usefull for hair ?
instead of taking Turmeric, resveretrol (Polygonum cuspidatum) , and green tea that are considered helpful in your regimen in independant pills ( but in higher dosage)

Fortunatly, EC is master here....but apart EC, what is your opinion ? question is for everyone though !!

europe - The only reason I used this in the past was to test its potential effect on hair. Unfortunately, I did not take it long enough to know. I didn't like the way it felt on an empty stomach.

Many of the ingredients such as Barberry have been used to fight hair loss. But when you compare the price and also the amount of turmeric you're getting, Turmeric Force might be a better value.

Do you guys get yellow/orange pee after taking your respective curcumin pills?

I remember the first couple of time on the Jarrow, I got fairly deep yellow urine - but there after, no effect on the urine. Will report what happens with this hot milk suspension test...

lund wrote:Do you guys get yellow/orange pee after taking your respective curcumin pills?

I remember the first couple of time on the Jarrow, I got fairly deep yellow urine - but there after, no effect on the urine. Will report what happens with this hot milk suspension test...

No yellow pee here.

lund - Funny, I think I have noticed more yellow effect since taking the LEF BCM-95 Curcumin, and that is meaningful considering that I am not taking ANY SYNTHETIC B-vitamins whatsoever.

In the hair loss study, "Curcuma rhizome (titrated dried extract) 95%" was used. Subjects took about 80 mg. of this, along with resveratrol, vitamin C, wheat germ (a vitamin E source), and capsicum (cayenne pepper).

Their results were "...while the group treated with resveratrol and curcumin showed with great surprise a reduction, sometimes also relevant, in variable time periods. Moreover, during this testing, the patients treated with resveratrol and curcumin surprisingly showed positive improvements in the treatment of psoriasis and the attenuation and even a stop of the hair loss, a reduction of the hair graying and the rebirth of hair in bald areas sometimes even of the original color too."

I believe the "rhizome" is probably, for hair loss sufferers, an essential (if not, most important) part of the equation. That said, I like the idea of also adding, as IH and lund stated, the whole turmeric herb. And with price of Turmeric Force almost cut in half, why not.

The natural - So, you'll probably continue to take jarrow or LEF 95 , with turmeric force for the whole thing ( or will you take whole powder that will be less effective than turmeric force ?
The question is : does "turmeric force" contain all the stuff found in the whole turmeric powder ? ( i p^resume that is what you call rhizome no ? )

CS- still take Vitamin code ? it's true that this shit is cool. 6 forms of Vit E, niacinamide, good form of vit A etc....

- LUND and CS

First week on Jarrows curc/resv taken just after a meal, I got deep yellow pee everytime.
I then started taking the combo after having a full TBS organic sesame seeds(chew it well to get the lignans out) and a TBS of organic sesame oil .Funny but after the very first time of doing this,I noticed absolutely normal urine colour...
And ever since ,no deep yellow urine again
Don t know if this can be evaluated...
The idea for sesame as per Natural's recommendation in another post.( Thanks TN by the way! )

Lund -

do you believe that emptying the Jarrows curcumin cap within oil or hot beverage would be preferable or just gulping down the capsule as it is together with some oil and/or hot milk serves exactly the same purpose ?

Guys, we are no expert here or Curcumin ~ just experimenters.

I think the evidence is overwhelming out there suggesting that Curcumin or Turmeric (the whole root) should be added to some delivery medium for optimizing absorption. As such, at least I am convinced, that whatever you do - try to take curcumin/turmeric/BCM95 with the oil delivery mechanism or the hot milk / chocolate combo.

From what I have read, you need to *dissolve* the Turmeric/curcumin/BCM95 in oil before taking it in, so gulping oil and powder separately may not be as effective. The goal is to dissolve the turmeric/curcumin in some type of fat(oil, milk, choccolate, yoghurt) so that it escapes the gut "AS IS" and gets into the intestines (if I remember reading this correctly). Based on this I am adding it to warm milk before drinking the curcumin 95 from Jarrow. It is too early to say if this is going to do anything for me ~ but others before us have been doing this for centuries. In the Asian sub continent (India Pakistan Bangladesh) turmeric to be taken as a drink is expected to be always mixed in warm milk, so the precedent is already there for this type of delivery.

edony wrote:Lund -

do you believe that emptying the Jarrows curcumin cap within oil or hot beverage would be preferable or just gulping down the capsule as it is together with some oil and/or hot milk serves exactly the same purpose ?

europe - Yes, I use the Vitamin Code, it's pretty cool stuff.

I hate to be a skeptic, but I am not inclined to think that turmeric in any form will make a great difference. I just don't come across many anecdotal reports, real life testimonials, that say curcurmin cured my hairloss/regrew hair. The herb has been widely used for very long, and the people of the culture that consumes most seem to suffer from hair loss rampantly.

Chlorella on the other hand seems special. I have been trying to figure out what has been benefitting me as of late and I am pretty sure it's the chlorella. If you search you will come across many testimonials claiming reversal of hair loss, hair greying, etc from chlorella. Currently I use Chlorenergy brand.

As far as Turmeric, I went with the New Chapter product. I am happy to use it for its liver protecting benefit.

Perhaps I am entirely wrong about turmeric; just my gut feeling and limited experience with the herb.

Gibson - I would doubt that Curcumin on its own would do enough. I also heard about Chlorella and hair loss, I like it and have often switched between it and spirulina, but couldn't tell if it made any discernible benefit hair wise.

I also tried Hydrilla Verticillata, which had some anecdotal hair regrowth--but also know discernible difference.

Can't go wrong health wise with any of these though.

I agree, which also is why I will continue to take Turmeric.

Regarding chlorella, I think it is making a very significant impact on hair/inflammation, but I'm still sussing it out. Seems like when I dropped the chlorella, things took a turn, and when I picked it back up, I was ok--and originally, when i added it, there was a marked improvement. I suppose if I were to drop the turmeric, I'd know better what role it is playing in the short term.

All said, it is too early for me to draw a conclusion.

@ edony

lund, I believe that we do eventually become "experts" as to what benefits our hair, through trial and error. Thanks for your suggestions, by the way. I read somewhere that "How to take supplements is just as important as what supplements to take." I agree.

Gibson, I have, in the past, taken curcumin by itself for several months, and it didn't do a thing for my hair loss condition either. So I can tell you with absolute certainty that the addition of resveratrol is the difference, at least for me, that is.

Similarly, the curcumin/resveratrol hair loss study also stated that those subjects who took only resveratrol did not experience any changes in their hair loss condition.

europe wrote:The natural - So, you'll probably continue to take jarrow or LEF 95 , with turmeric force for the whole thing ( or will you take whole powder that will be less effective than turmeric force ?
The question is : does "turmeric force" contain all the stuff found in the whole turmeric powder ? ( i p^resume that is what you call rhizome no ? )

CS- still take Vitamin code ? it's true that this shit is cool. 6 forms of Vit E, niacinamide, good form of vit A etc....

europe,

A good question might be whether this hair loss study used the whole turmeric rhizome (root) or just isolated and extracted certain compounds from the rhizome (e.g. curcumin). It's hard to tell. To be safe, you could take both Jarrow and New Chapter's curcumin. One of each, with resveratrol.

one of each at the same time ?or turmeric force am ,jarrows pm?

I'll say for thing for BCM-95 Curcumin, that stuff does stick around twice as long.

edony wrote:one of each at the same time ?or turmeric force am ,jarrows pm?

I would spread them out: one in the morning; and one in the evening. As lund pointed out, the Jarrow's curcumin could be taken with something like warm milk to increase its absorption.

TN-
on the other hand ,you've had results so far by just taking jarrows curcumin as is,after meal ,no mixing and emptying out the capsule content.You just combine it with resv.
Well,I'll go your way ,since you have first hand experience and all the rest is just speculations...
I noticed you've dropped ACV from your regimen.Why is that?