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stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
hi this is gokul and i wanna know how the stress and depression makes the hair loss
lappase- Posts : 4
Join date : 2012-05-23
Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
That's a tall order.
You're tending to oversimplify based on connections you've probably heard in the media and just conventionally between people. Stress causes hair loss. I do believe it does. But there probably isn't a single person who could detail for you the exact process. Ultimately hair loss is caused by inflammation and a lack of oxygen.
An inflammatory state can cause depression and also be caused by depression. Dr. Klinghardt would probably say that an unresolved emotional trauma is effecting the way the autonomic nervous system signals the nerves that innervate the extracellular fluid, and completely hampering your body's detox pathways causing toxins and metals to build up. This would cause inflammation, and lead to physiological stress that would further build that inflammation.
That's looking at it from the perspective of the mind effecting the body and any unresolved emotional trauma could be at it. My health took a sharp decline and my hair loss started after my father passed away when I was 21. Looking at it from the other direction, anything that could create an imbalance in the production of neurotransmitters could be at fault: nutrient/vitamin/mineral deficiencies, digestive issues, MOLD/FUNGUS (big one), bacterial infection, autoimmunity.
Ultimately, you're looking at the balance amongst the hormonal system and its daunting. But anything that chronically elevates your cortisol will create an inflammatory state, lowers testosterone and increases estrogen. Likewise, anything that causes these states will increase cortisol. In the end, downstream, whether it be due to electron depletion or autoimmune attack, (I frankly am not positive) the hair follicles shrink. And DHT plays some type of signaling role here in an inflammatory capacity.
Its not simply, stress > hairloss. There could be a hundred different reasons in between or that come before that are leading to your hairloss. Pour over the site and focus on thyroid, heavy metals, mold, bacteria, blood sugar, and diet (PUFAs).
But as far as stress is concerned, I have a cocktail that I put together and take at the highest cortisol times of the day and it completely eliminates any nervous energy or anxiety I have (go in 3 weeks on and 1 week off cycles):
Phosphatidyl Choline (1 g)
Phosphatidyl Serine (200 mg)
Sensoril Ashwaghanda (225 mg)
Vit C (1 g)
Vit D (5000 IU)
Bromelain/Quercetin (750 mg/1 g)
Olive Leaf Extract (1 g)
Mucuna Pruriens (700 mg up to 1 g)
You're tending to oversimplify based on connections you've probably heard in the media and just conventionally between people. Stress causes hair loss. I do believe it does. But there probably isn't a single person who could detail for you the exact process. Ultimately hair loss is caused by inflammation and a lack of oxygen.
An inflammatory state can cause depression and also be caused by depression. Dr. Klinghardt would probably say that an unresolved emotional trauma is effecting the way the autonomic nervous system signals the nerves that innervate the extracellular fluid, and completely hampering your body's detox pathways causing toxins and metals to build up. This would cause inflammation, and lead to physiological stress that would further build that inflammation.
That's looking at it from the perspective of the mind effecting the body and any unresolved emotional trauma could be at it. My health took a sharp decline and my hair loss started after my father passed away when I was 21. Looking at it from the other direction, anything that could create an imbalance in the production of neurotransmitters could be at fault: nutrient/vitamin/mineral deficiencies, digestive issues, MOLD/FUNGUS (big one), bacterial infection, autoimmunity.
Ultimately, you're looking at the balance amongst the hormonal system and its daunting. But anything that chronically elevates your cortisol will create an inflammatory state, lowers testosterone and increases estrogen. Likewise, anything that causes these states will increase cortisol. In the end, downstream, whether it be due to electron depletion or autoimmune attack, (I frankly am not positive) the hair follicles shrink. And DHT plays some type of signaling role here in an inflammatory capacity.
Its not simply, stress > hairloss. There could be a hundred different reasons in between or that come before that are leading to your hairloss. Pour over the site and focus on thyroid, heavy metals, mold, bacteria, blood sugar, and diet (PUFAs).
But as far as stress is concerned, I have a cocktail that I put together and take at the highest cortisol times of the day and it completely eliminates any nervous energy or anxiety I have (go in 3 weeks on and 1 week off cycles):
Phosphatidyl Choline (1 g)
Phosphatidyl Serine (200 mg)
Sensoril Ashwaghanda (225 mg)
Vit C (1 g)
Vit D (5000 IU)
Bromelain/Quercetin (750 mg/1 g)
Olive Leaf Extract (1 g)
Mucuna Pruriens (700 mg up to 1 g)
AS54- Posts : 2367
Join date : 2011-08-12
Age : 35
Location : MI
Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
I believe the most prevalent way stress causes hairless is that it makes your scalp tight(er). This, I believe, chokes off te blood supply to the scalp.
When I become stressed I can literally feel my scalp get tight.
All I have to do is place the bottom of my palm (closest to my wrist) above one ear an place my fingertips above my other ear and squeeze, this loosens my scalp and makes it wrinkly. I hold it like that for a few seconds, then move to a different spot and squeeze there. I also do it front to back.
After a while I can feel that my scalp is much looser. At this point it is easy to notice the onset of stress, because you can feel it tighten right up.
Also the tightness in ONLY in the areas of balding skin. This makes it obvious to me that scalp tightness plays a big role.
IMO tight scalp = poor circulation. Poor circulation = reduced waste removal/ excess waste buildup (DHT) and reduced nutrient supply to the scalp which, over time, causes the capillary network to recede, along with your hairline/ vertex.
The reason finasteride and minoxidil work (obviously) is because the fin reduces DHT while the minoxidil opens up the blood vessels so that blood can flood the hair papilla and return life to the follicle.
If bloodflow and DHT were not big factors neither drug would be successful, which they obviously are, separate ore used in conjunction.
The reason, I believe, why they do not return a full head of hair to a person with extensive balding is because at that point, the capillary network has recessed and the minixidil can only open up the vessels that are left, so basically it revives the hairs that are still tapped into the remaining network of blood vessels.
So what needs to be done at this point is to return normal blood flow to the scalp, and re- generate the network of capillaries to the scalp in order to fully revive all the miniturized hairs that were once terminal.
Sorry I just started rambling there
When I become stressed I can literally feel my scalp get tight.
All I have to do is place the bottom of my palm (closest to my wrist) above one ear an place my fingertips above my other ear and squeeze, this loosens my scalp and makes it wrinkly. I hold it like that for a few seconds, then move to a different spot and squeeze there. I also do it front to back.
After a while I can feel that my scalp is much looser. At this point it is easy to notice the onset of stress, because you can feel it tighten right up.
Also the tightness in ONLY in the areas of balding skin. This makes it obvious to me that scalp tightness plays a big role.
IMO tight scalp = poor circulation. Poor circulation = reduced waste removal/ excess waste buildup (DHT) and reduced nutrient supply to the scalp which, over time, causes the capillary network to recede, along with your hairline/ vertex.
The reason finasteride and minoxidil work (obviously) is because the fin reduces DHT while the minoxidil opens up the blood vessels so that blood can flood the hair papilla and return life to the follicle.
If bloodflow and DHT were not big factors neither drug would be successful, which they obviously are, separate ore used in conjunction.
The reason, I believe, why they do not return a full head of hair to a person with extensive balding is because at that point, the capillary network has recessed and the minixidil can only open up the vessels that are left, so basically it revives the hairs that are still tapped into the remaining network of blood vessels.
So what needs to be done at this point is to return normal blood flow to the scalp, and re- generate the network of capillaries to the scalp in order to fully revive all the miniturized hairs that were once terminal.
Sorry I just started rambling there
SlowMoe- Posts : 1112
Join date : 2012-03-22
Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
Stress and inflammation go hand in hand, there are literally hundreds of routes in which inflammation, and anything that can cause it can cause internal stress. I see a lot of people view stress as an outside factor, but really when you break it down stress is a chemical, hormonal, and energy based process and substance(s) in your body just like DHT, or Cholesterol, etc. Corticotrophin Releasing Factor which is involved in the stress response has numerous times been correlation with hairloss, and like everything, it's a multi-faceted thing, it may exert pathogenic effects but at the same time its necessary under times of stress, for example, when colonic movement is hindered the stress response causes contractions to move whatever the blockage is out.
I wanted to see based on that if colon hydrating substances could lower stress levels, after I started inducing frequent bowel movements with plenty of liquids and magnesium citrate I experience a huge leap in my well being.
This also comes back to gut and psychology syndrome, where the disruption of normal bacteria in your digestive organs is linked to normal homeostasis in your body.
I wanted to see based on that if colon hydrating substances could lower stress levels, after I started inducing frequent bowel movements with plenty of liquids and magnesium citrate I experience a huge leap in my well being.
This also comes back to gut and psychology syndrome, where the disruption of normal bacteria in your digestive organs is linked to normal homeostasis in your body.
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Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
How much magnesium citrate did you take?
Do you still take it regularly as part of your routine?
Do you still take it regularly as part of your routine?
SlowMoe- Posts : 1112
Join date : 2012-03-22
Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
I still do take magnesium citrate everyday, somedays less than others, but I take it with lots of liquids depending on how much I eat in a day until I have a good bowel movement. Sometimes I take five tablets a day, sometimes ten, sometimes even more if I need it.
I ate some bad sushi once a couple months ago and picked up some sort of stomach bug, what followed was a week of my bowels purging themselves, it was pretty nasty but what I noticed was that I felt a huge improvement in sexual, mental and cariovascular trends the more I got things moving in my bowel.
Iodine also helps, as does avoiding all possible starchy foods.
I ate some bad sushi once a couple months ago and picked up some sort of stomach bug, what followed was a week of my bowels purging themselves, it was pretty nasty but what I noticed was that I felt a huge improvement in sexual, mental and cariovascular trends the more I got things moving in my bowel.
Iodine also helps, as does avoiding all possible starchy foods.
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Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
Id say its more likely that hairloss causes depression than the other way around. But stress sure. Hairloss also can increase your anxiety, which in turn makes more hairloss. it's a vicious circularity.
LawOfThelema- Posts : 949
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Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
I see a lot of people view stress as an outside factor, but really when you break it down stress is a chemical, hormonal, and energy based process and substance(s) in your body just like DHT, or Cholesterol, etc.
The problem is that this view is the dual extreme of the externalist view. Both views are reductive and overly simplified, and I believe dehumanizing. The other is behaviorism basically the type of view that BF Skinner supported. Both are overly simplified. Stress involves both internal and external factors. It is relational or interactional. How you relate to the world determines in part the levels of stress that become expressed within your organism. Two people can experience the same event and experience different levels of stress as a result. This can come from habit, life history, the patterns of thought you apply to organize the world, how you perceive and how you believe. The mechanical molecular view either minimizes these or does not account for them. Yet we know they are real. That there is a placebo effect at all shows that belief and perception have consequences for your body. Surely the molecular biological factors are important, but that's not to say that there are no external factors, or that there is no interaction between the internal and external.
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LawOfThelema- Posts : 949
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Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
I'm not ignoring external stress, just emphasizing that there are ways to chemically change the way our bodies experience it. Ashwhaghanda is a great place to start.
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Re: stress and depression which may leads to hair loss?
true. this herb looks like good stuff.aI'm not ignoring external stress, just emphasizing that there are ways to chemically change the way our bodies experience it. Ashwhaghanda is a great place to start.
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