Hereditary MPB

Hi

There is something I have been thinking about for a while. When I read that The Natural stopped his loss by the use of curcumin/resveratrol, I thought to myself that his loss in the beginning probably was not caused by his genetics, but some outside parameter such as diet or similar. I am thinking the same thing about IH.

The question I am trying to ask is: If someone has MPB because of genetics (i.e. a family history of MPB), then is the IH-regimen also able to stop that?

Theres alot of information on this site about this question but from my experience the IH regimen will either stop/slow down / or help regrow hair that has been a result of MPB.

It really all depends on fixing the underlying factors which can be seen on the "How to Implement" section on the site. http://www.immortalhair.org/howtoimplement.htm

For me it was Optimizing Thyroid Function/Removing Heavy Metals. As I have not seen spectacular results yet I have been able to Slowdown/stop my hairloss.

I find it hard to believe in hereditary MPB now... everything had a cause, hair base-jumping does too. The evidence is there in abundance that we have hereditary predisposition to weakness in the parts of our bodies that govern hair growth, it's not as simple as just MPB for no reason.

IMO, MPB really is a hereditary condition but most people when they say this say it in a fatalistic way as if nothing can be done about it. Fortunately, they are wrong. The information on epigenetics shows we can affect genes via diet/environment.

Interstingly, retroviruses and miasms are passed on through the mother (maternal) line which is essentially what I do with Rife.

Anyhow, there are many many ways one can "stop" hair loss. It really is about finding out which area affects you through experimenting and researching... lots of experimenting and researching.

Well said JDP. A lot of people don't understand genetics, I'm one of them, having somebody explain it's role to us is very helpful.

Genetics is an excuse for what the backward medical profession doesn't understand. It is currently set up to treat symptoms not cure the condition. This is sadly how the business operates by patents and expensive tests.

There's already plenty of research behind why we get heart disease and diabetes, two conditions which share some similarity with hair loss.

While the research exists to prevent and reverse it, most physicians practice using palliative therapies instead, and ignoring the cause completely.

Heart disease and diabetes and hair loss one a common bond, they are all affected by the thyroid gland. What causes a problem thyroid? The answer is many, and that answer will resolve our hair loss.

I see about a dozen studies dedicated towards genetic expression per week on heart disease and other conditions and it's all very pointless, if not downright insulting (to me), because they are merely looking at the exhaust fumes from a jet instead of the jet itself.

Genetics do not always control a physiologic response, they can be altered depending on their environment.

Of course, thyroid will not be blamed by most physicians because they do not even know how to test for it correctly.

There is no test that currently exists to observe cellular thyroid activity, instead they measure the blood which means almost nothing.

It will be two decades later and if I say what I've been saying lately about cancer, most will still look at me as if I have two heads, because I say the research clearly shows that most cancer is caused from jaw bone infections.

MPB can be cured, it can be stopped. We cannot regrow bald spots yet, and while there is some evidence it is possible, I am not too optimistic. We can regrow existing hairs, which increase the diameter of the shaft considerably, making the appearance of very thick hair.

This whole process begins with identifying what causes are particular to the individual. The more aggressive cases invariably will have either jaw bone infections, heavy metal burden or both. Then it's just a matter of a better diet (less sugar) and proper supplements to resupply electrons.

I should give one or two examples of how genetic expression via epigenetics can be altered.

http://www.immortalhair.org/apps/blog/show/2107515-restoration-of-antioxidant-system-in-copd

In COPD, a progressive lung condition where antioxidant systems are impaired, a nutrient called sulforaphane can stop it in its tracks. Ask any pulmonologist what can be done, they will tell you it can only be treated with drugs, a certain downward spiral.

Hydrogenated oils are 97% correlated with atherosclerosis, does that mean it is genetics? Genetically predisposed perhaps, but not destiny if hydrogenated oil consumption is replaced with healthy linoleic acid.

CS - Is there anything supplement-wise or in diet that can help contain or reduce the impact of a jawbone infection (assuming it is not already severe)? A healthy immune system would help, right?

I believe that we are all genetically susceptible to MPB, but it's a matter of degree. Some people's follicles seem more sensitive than others (more receptors, I think). So how difficult it is to fix your MPB depends on your physical situation AND how genetically susceptible you are, IMO

My mother's father (RIP) was a Norwood 6 (diffused), two of his sons are Norwood 7, and another is Norwood 6 (diffused). My older cousin on the same side of the family is a Norwood 4. I am a Norwood 3.5 (diffused). I have a completely different lifestyle from any of them (don't drink, smoke, no caffeine, etc.), different diet (no sugar, no gluten, and eat organically 70% of the time), exercise (yoga), and I live 3,000 miles away in a climate Vitamin D rich environment.

You could say that I'm fairing the best, but I'm also the youngest and am the only one who has actively participated in battling my hair loss. I took Propecia for eight years and have been on the IH regiment for over two now (plus all of the other stuff mentioned above). And STILL, I am struggling. My diffusion progesses every year to the point that Facebook photos from just 2-3 years ago make me look like a different person. I will likely end up a Norwood 7 without a transplant. In my case, I would say UNDOUBTEDLY that genetics play a role.

NewReg - What is your age?

35. I started to notice my hairline receding at 19, and by my early to mid twenties it became obvious I was having some diffusion thoughout the top. Propecia did a great job for about 6-7 years, but I noticed a decline after that. Got off Propecia at about 33 and have been on IH since then. I have definitely lost more hair since then (gone from a solid Norwood 3 to a 3.5, almost 4), but what are you going to do? Propecia wasn't doing its job really and I was scared of potential long term issues, so decided not to f with it anymore. But the debate about hereditary is moot to me. Maybe not EVERYONE experiencing MPB is due to heredity, but in my case, it couldn't be more clear.

diffuse - What can offset jaw bone infection, there are some possibilities, but am currently looking into how to address it besides the obvious specialized dental work. I will post info on this as soon as I can find strong evidence that it works.

NewReg wrote:35. I started to notice my hairline receding at 19, and by my early to mid twenties it became obvious I was having some diffusion thoughout the top. Propecia did a great job for about 6-7 years, but I noticed a decline after that. Got off Propecia at about 33 and have been on IH since then. I have definitely lost more hair since then (gone from a solid Norwood 3 to a 3.5, almost 4), but what are you going to do? Propecia wasn't doing its job really and I was scared of potential long term issues, so decided not to f with it anymore. But the debate about hereditary is moot to me. Maybe not EVERYONE experiencing MPB is due to heredity, but in my case, it couldn't be more clear.

It's not that MPB isn't hereditary, it's that the general consensus is that genetics can't be altered. MPB is definitely hereditary in my case but I believe it's been brought about by a inherited Thyroid disorder.

Decro435 wrote:

NewReg wrote:35. I started to notice my hairline receding at 19, and by my early to mid twenties it became obvious I was having some diffusion thoughout the top. Propecia did a great job for about 6-7 years, but I noticed a decline after that. Got off Propecia at about 33 and have been on IH since then. I have definitely lost more hair since then (gone from a solid Norwood 3 to a 3.5, almost 4), but what are you going to do? Propecia wasn't doing its job really and I was scared of potential long term issues, so decided not to f with it anymore. But the debate about hereditary is moot to me. Maybe not EVERYONE experiencing MPB is due to heredity, but in my case, it couldn't be more clear.

It's not that MPB isn't hereditary, it's that the general consensus is that genetics can't be altered. MPB is definitely hereditary in my case but I believe it's been brought about by a inherited Thyroid disorder.

So MPB is caused by a thyroid disorder?!

I never said that, I said in my case it has. Hypothyroidism has kickstarted and accelerated my MPB.

Decro435 wrote:I never said that, I said in my case it has. Hypothyroidism has kickstarted and accelerated my MPB.

But it's possible for many other's MPB to have started by being Hypo? Without being Hypo, MPB would have happened much later in your life?

Is it my imagination or is there an epidemic of hypothyroidism. My sister developed hypothyroidism a couple of years ago and was on medication. My cousin after his 4th tour of duty in Afghanistan developed hypothyroidism. And on both sides of my family I have a few more relatives with hypothyroidism. And on top of this, seeing lot of younger gens with MPB makes me think this is a sort of bell weather, maybe an indication that something has seriously gone wrong with something in the environment or food supply.

tonyj wrote:Is it my imagination or is there an epidemic of hypothyroidism. My sister developed hypothyroidism a couple of years ago and was on medication. My cousin after his 4th tour of duty in Afghanistan developed hypothyroidism. And on both sides of my family I have a few more relatives with hypothyroidism. And on top of this, seeing lot of younger gens with MPB makes me think this is a sort of bell weather, maybe an indication that something has seriously gone wrong with something in the environment or food supply.

I think it's definitely just the halides in the water and the bread.

I overheard a very interesting conversation between to recent immigrants to Canada, both male, and both balding pretty bad. They knew each other obviously from some time ago and both mentioned each other's hair loss, and as they were talking (in an airport) they made the comment that it must be the water because they didn't start losing until they came here. But yeah, hypo in some level is present almost everywhere now.

goten574 wrote:

Decro435 wrote:I never said that, I said in my case it has. Hypothyroidism has kickstarted and accelerated my MPB.

But it's possible for many other's MPB to have started by being Hypo? Without being Hypo, MPB would have happened much later in your life?

I have no idea if I would have lost my hair later in life. Looking at my relatives, most of the men suffer extensive MPB. Fact is I believe they also suffered from Thyroid disorders. You can see it in teenagers these days, as stated earlier I also believe it's becoming a epidemic. From what I know Hypothyroidism sends the body's hormones out of whack, in turn causing MPB.

It looks like Thyroid disorders are only going to get worse in the future with all the sh*t that's being added to foods. You can see it in teenagers these days, developing those fat, moon-faces and premature hair loss.

Thank you CausticSymmetry, nice posts!

By the way Selenext is back at iherb, as Selen synergy .. but same stuff afaics.

CausticSymmetry wrote:I should give one or two examples of how genetic expression via epigenetics can be altered.

http://www.immortalhair.org/apps/blog/show/2107515-restoration-of-antioxidant-system-in-copd

In COPD, a progressive lung condition where antioxidant systems are impaired, a nutrient called sulforaphane can stop it in its tracks. Ask any pulmonologist what can be done, they will tell you it can only be treated with drugs, a certain downward spiral.

Hydrogenated oils are 97% correlated with atherosclerosis, does that mean it is genetics? Genetically predisposed perhaps, but not destiny if hydrogenated oil consumption is replaced with healthy linoleic acid.

What a nice thread.

Thanks to everyone that participated.

I read you can get "moon face" from corticosteroids? Can asthma inhalers such as beclometasone dipropionate cause this?

Were are ancestors bald? We have evidence in recent history of bald men in paintings, frescos and statues in the last 2000 or more years but is it true that our prehistoric ancestors were bald? I don't know the answer to that but I suspect they were not. Geneticist and scientist have discovered bald genes or genes that predisposes us to balding but we are looking at these genes in retrospect, what they do to us now and then make assumption about the human condition in the past removing the context of environment in which we live. We assumed there were ancestors with MPB. But what are these genes really telling us? Would we be looking for these genes if the same environmental conditions then exist now? These genes don't cause cancer or an autoimmune disease, but given the right environmental conditions there is high chance they could. So we have this balance of nature and nurture. Does the MPB genes fall into the category of nature, or is there some evil balance struck between nature and nurture that results in MPB? I'm hoping for the latter. Maybe we have been living with MPB for so long that we assume it is normal state for man. So if MPB is just an indicator like obesity or the rise celiac disease, except those latter indicators are more recent, would it be possible to find those ancient factors that changed our environment.

Just thinking out loud.

"Maybe we have been living with MPB for so long that we assume it is normal state for man."

Bingo.