Deer Antler Velvet (question for CS)

I was thinking of adding it to my next order. I used it years ago, and recall the huge lift i got from it. there seems to be some debate on whether igf-1 is good or bad for hair. do you think it will be alright to use? thanks

Gibson - I've been wanting to try Deer Antler Velvet for years, but just never got around to trying it. I used to have a lot of threads about it on regrowth and listed a few studies. It possible that Dear Antler velvet can recapitulate embryonic stage beta-catenin relative to Wnt signaling and possibly stimulate hair growth. Whether this would really happen either topically or internally hasn't been studied.

As far as IGF-1, if this is low it can make growing hair next to impossible. During androgen blockade treatment it was found that those with low IGF-1 levels did not respond to finasteride.

At the moment the NIH database is going through some maintenance so I'll have to wait to take a look and see if anything new research wise has surfaced on this.

Just a follow up. Seems to be precisely what I needed. My workouts had been somewhat flat lately. I don't think it was for lack of androgens(tried ZMA), or too much estrogen. This nailed exactly what I was missing, probably (IGF-1). As a side note, I don't expect it to do much for hair, as I used it early on and dropped it because it did nothing for my hair. Also, while it was a great sports supp, I was already delivering the goods, so it was excessive and much pricier than what I am paying now. But now apparently, I can use it. So far, it doesn't seem to negatively impact hair, but I just started.

did this help with your strength gains or hair?

I'm thinking about taking this either internally/topically, or both. Maybe lack of IGF-1 is the reason why I never responded to finasteride. Anyone else try it?
Is this good?
http://www.iherb.com/Now-Foods-IGF-1-LipoSpray-1-fl-oz-30-mL/651?at=0

This seems to very potent stuff if coming from the right source, HOWEVER, but my doctor warned me about using this stuff, claiming that there is a risk of getting mad cow disease from it.

It's said to be an elixir for youth and vitality.

Anyone who is thinking that IGF-1 is good for hair (or health) read this: http://www.canibaisereis.com/download/milk-consumption-acne.pdf

This explains how the IGF-1 stimulated by the protein in milk, causes huge hormonal-imbalances and diseases in western-cultures. For me this is the "smoking-gun", you cannot deny milk or IGF-1 doesn’t play a negative role in the balding-process after you read this!

Well, anyone who reads studies like you do would not be able to deny it. Correlation regarding a great many factors does not indicate causation in regards to any one specific factor, especially concerning a completely separate condition regardless of how similar they are, but I suppose I'm talking to myself here with this one.

I thought about taking the spray, but opted to go with the IGF Extreme extract. I had a hard break out when I first started, but had much much less of an acne issue a few weeks down the line, less than before I started. It does amazing things for your workout, but goddamn is it expensive. I was adding it to my shampoo for a little while, and using it topically on my crown, but I didn't use either for long enough to even begin to draw conclusions. Personally, I'd make my own extract using raw antler powder before I'd use one of those sprays, but I tend to make things in bulk to save myself some cash.

Misirlou wrote:This seems to very potent stuff if coming from the right source, HOWEVER, but my doctor warned me about using this stuff, claiming that there is a risk of getting mad cow disease from it.

It's said to be an elixir for youth and vitality.

The warning about mad cow disease is a sort of scary tactic without any proof whatsoever.
I wonder how they explain why many vegetarians still get mad cow disease?

Bovine colostrum provides the entire IGF-1 superfamily and it would be a much cheaper alternative to using deer antler velvet.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Misirlou wrote:This seems to very potent stuff if coming from the right source, HOWEVER, but my doctor warned me about using this stuff, claiming that there is a risk of getting mad cow disease from it.

It's said to be an elixir for youth and vitality.

The warning about mad cow disease is a sort of scary tactic without any proof whatsoever.
I wonder how they explain why many vegetarians still get mad cow disease?

Bovine colostrum provides the entire IGF-1 superfamily and it would be a much cheaper alternative to using deer antler velvet.

Definitely, not to mention colostrum is a lot more "user friendly", if you will. I forgot to mention I switched from DAV to colostrum, mostly because of price and all the other health benefits it offers. I get mine from firstmilking.com, but there are cheaper sources.

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Bovine colostrum provides the entire IGF-1 superfamily and it would be a much cheaper alternative to using deer antler velvet.

Why not just drink milk? Milk is a massive stimulator of IGF-1, and would be much more cheaper than colostrum.

Because milk isn't a "massive" stimulator of IGF-1 production, it would be more expensive to buy the amount of pasteurized store bought milk it would take to have anywhere near the same amount of IGF-1 running through your system, colostrum contains more growth factors, cofactors, and immunoglobulins as opposed to just "stimulating" IGF-1 production, and most importantly store bought milk is full of garbage that you wouldn't want in your system anyway.

misterE - Milk in the usual form is poison. Pasteurization destroys most of the good and leaves the bad. Also pasteurized milk is not grass-fed, but grain fed.

Finally, even one were to drink grass-fed raw milk, it will not compare to colostrum, because unlike milk, colostrum contains various growth factors, including the entire IGF-1 superfamily (superior to taking growth hormone), and it has been shown to reverse thymic involution.

Nothing else does that in the natural kingdom (so far).

Colostrum also contains lactoferrin (it binds to iron, helps the skin).

Colostrum is not right for everyone, and if one is already producing an excess amount, it maybe something to avoid until the time comes when it would be of help.

Sorry to bump this old thread but i thought I'd post my question here rather then making a new topic.

I am interested in trying Deer antler velvet, i was reading that it increases Insulin-like Growth Factors 1 and 2, has anyone here actually tried the stuff at all?

Bumping this old thread again. Any news on DAV?