PH Phytogen vs. ainterol P. Mirifica

Joe,please tell me, what are you using now?

Joejoebaggins wrote:

EIC wrote:

cpio wrote:Joejoe, what do you mean by "direct evidence"? Studies done in regard to MPB? I doubt it, like it is the
case with Ecklonia cava it is being marketed towards an exact niche. But it's uses are of course not limited to
those it is marketed for.

PM may be more powerful than HMR. It is an adaptogen like maca and thus probably more able to balance (tune up or down).

I don't think he is asking for studies pertaining to MPB, but just some evidence or explanation as to how it works to regulate the hormones for men. Actually, the paper I just posted in the thread on estrogen metabolism may hold a clue.

Bingo. A lot of this stuff is too expensive to run out and grab without sufficient evidence to support it. Also I've had problems in the past with low estrogen so I'm very weary of using AI's and such. Still love to read about em though

Maybe one day I'll get to use 7-HMR again.

I have never read so much non-sense as I have read on this site about Pueraria Mirifica. Ainterol Pure...........pure non-sense.

These meatheads don't know how to dose this stuff. They throw in 500 mg because of the wild crap they use for their product.

If they had any sense they would sell a responsible dose..........but there over in Asia with really no liabilities. Pure is just a buzz word,

Ainterol is all about the buzz words. All responsible companies that use responsible doses use fillers like rice powders...........real

toxic....right ....wise up! Ainterol has no clue how much miroestrol is in their product because the wild junk they uses changes

from lot to lot. No one can commercially measure it. There is no standard available commercially because there is no miroestrol

available to them. As for Solgar, those overpriced shits are also using wild pueraria mirifica in an extract form that they buy

from Bio-botanica labs Labs. Not standardized for anything sorry. They do not have access to any miroestrol.....................can't

measure it..............simple as that..........get it no miroestrol ...................no valid test results...............there is no magical lab

machine. Don't let Sogar 's name throw you when it comes To PM they are as dumb as rocks! WELCOME TO THE SUPPLEMENT

INDUSTRY...........where they just want to cover their ass and don't want to know.

You want FARMED CULTIVARS when it comes to PM:

http://www.puerariamirificabuteasuperba.com/

The stuff we've meddled with up until this point is not the right stuff.

So do you recommend Premium Pueraria Mirifica Capsules from the site you mentioned Nidd?

vindictive--

As of now, yes! I want to test it out myself for a couple of months as well.

Ok thanks, would there be any problem in using PM with epilobium?

vindictive--

None that I know of. Typically, herbs are pretty safe to mix-and-match with one another because you're getting them in their whole, natural form. This is unlike synthesized drugs, which remove one particular component from a plant extract, and then synthetically augment its strength by many times and throw it into a capsule.

nid can you please explain what you mean by 'for now'?
How is the product you linked to any different than Solgar's?

zerx--

Solgar is "standardized" which sounds nice on paper, but really means it's just your typical wild extract--you never know how much of each of two primary components that you'll get or in what proportion. Farmed Cultivar is optimal, because the farmers organically grow the strains that have the correct amount of these two components in the proper ratio (Miroestrol and Deoxymiroestrol) that Thais have been using for centuries.

I say "for now" because I have yet to take it, but will start in the near future (next week or two). I'm looking forward to it.

Thanks nid. Looking forward to your report.