some new hair loss sites

www.naturalcrown.com
web site is intelligent and after talking on the phone, i believe they believe it anyway.
say it only works on crown, and its pricey...
also www.zenagen.com
seems shady, not specific on ingrediants, but im curious if its more than just saw palmetoo,,,

you once recommended a product for depression that you thought had a 50 percent chance of helping. i think it was by source naturals. it wasnt 5htp, trptophan, st. john wart or sam e....
any idea what it was?
also, do you have any info on what is better, st. johns wart vs. sam E ?
im battling depression so any info would be great
thanks

Both of them don't list their ingredients...

danny1 - Different things work for different people, so a trial and error is a good idea. There are ways to tell which substances would work better, but it would require a long explanation about neurotransmitters. I think I'll write about that issue in my daily topic at some point.

Serotonin may not necessarily be the only neurotransmitter deficiency.

Anyway, if you're looking for a serotonin precursor, you could try L-Tryptophan at 1,000-2,000 mg one to two
times daily. If you try 5-HTP, the dose is 100 2 to 3 times per day. Another possibility is SAM-e. The dose for that is 200-400 mg twice daily. It's also possible that thyroid could be behind some of it, not always but sometimes that is key.

thanks a lot for the response. do you think the supplements you mention are better than the ssri's? i heard they are about 60 percent effective?
how bad are they to take for the body?
guess you dont remember the one you suggested for me to take about a year ago?
it wasnt 5htp, or john wart, or inositol or trptophoen...maybe some blue gren algea?

Hey Danny -

Appreciate the info, i'm new here - thanks, I'll check them all out.

About Depression...this might sound really weird but here's what helped me, honestly...it's "out there" so not the easiest thing to write about. It's called the "Oneness Blessing" found out about it through taking Tony Robbins UPW course. All I know is i get it once a week from someone in my area and it helps me.

Can't hurt to try.

there's porbably a website, i think it's something like onenessmovementnorthamerica.org or something like that, then you can find someone in your area who can transfer the blessing to you. You might have to drive a little, but i have to tell you i noticed a shift, i've been doing it at least a year now and the whole "no reason to live" feeling is gone.

good luck, hang in there...

Appreciate the info, i'm new here - thanks, I'll check them all out.

Yet in the other 4 of your posts you mention the same site and say you have been using the product for awhile. Little tag team action going on here or what?

not that complicated...
www.zenagen.com

never heard of it before today and I'm curious about everything hairloss.

also wonder about what was mentioned for depression because i've suffered from it seriously before.

why the interrrogation? seems off, but I guess I'm the new kid in school here, so it's cool.

After having used an SSRI and then afterwards trying herbal alternatives, I can tell you that you need to try herbal options first. Prescription drugs may give you a benefit in one area, but give you a whole host of side effects as well. After using an SSRI for 2 years, I was sick of low libido, sd, and weight gain. So, I tried St. John's Wort. It worked better than the SSRI, but made me a little manic. About a year ago I started using Bacopa and never looked back.

Options:

For depression, Try Ecklonia Cava(In IH Top 6). It boosts levels of Serotonin, Gaba, Norepinephrine, Acetylcholine and Growth Hormone. The stuff is an excellent herbal choice for someone suffering from chronic pain or depression. In fact, it's qualities mimic both popular prescription antidepressant/Fibromyalgia--drugs, "Cymbalta" and "Lyrica". It is powerful stuff, give it at least 2 weeks. Try Bacopa for anxiety/depression. It has many great qualities for your mind body and hair. Bacopa boosts Serotonin, Gaba and Acetylcholine while also raising endogenous levels of antioxidants. Albizzia is another herb that boosts both Gaba and Serotonin levels. If none of these do it for you, go for a Hyperforin rich St. John's Wort supplement, like "Kira".

If you find yourself still lacking something, throw in some Green Tea(ECGC) or Blueberry Extract for a Dopamine boost and your hitting depression herbally, from most all angles. If the Green Tea ramps you up or spikes your anxiety too much, the Blueberry Extract should be a nice alternative. In fact I use this quite frequently. Blueberry Extract is my favorite Dopamine booster as it gives you great energy and focus without anxiety(also good for hair, eyes, and brain). L-Tyrosine is an amino acid that boosts both Dopamine and Norepinephrine(great for adrenal fatigue), but may cause anxiety. There are many other options as well, you need only do a little research and give 'em a test run.

Wow. This is awesome info. Which form/company of blueberry product do you take? Is there one you like?

I'm excited to delved into all this. So cool. Thank you!

I take

http://www.vitacost.com/NSI-Wild-Blueberry-Extract?csrc=GPF-835003008025



and for smaller incremental doses I use the leaf extract which has chlorogenic acid.

http://www.luckyvitamin.com/item/itemKey/67723?utm_source=googlebase&utm_medium=fpl&utm_term=SolarayBlueberryLeafExtract60Capsules&utm_content=67723&utm_campaign=googlebase&site=google_base[/url]


All in all you will get a decent pick me up from both. The first one is the whopper for those who need extra. Also eating the raw berries or added to cereal is great. Keeps the mind sharp as we age and Dopamine levels go down. Also helps with the A.D.D as well and is a good caffeine substitute.

going to go buy it now.

seriously appreciate this info, haven't seen anything like it in the places i've been searching...

Merci,

Hi danny1,

Hey depression is the worst feeling in the world and I know that no body can sympathize with you if they've never gone through it. There is a Doctor (i.e. Ann Blake Tracy), she's an expert in this field. Check out her website below and listen to what she's says about anti depressants in her interviews, also below. BTW she's totally against anti depressants and say's they will actually make your depression worse and cause you to do crazy SH__. She knows her stuff and makes a lot of sense. This is how credible she is, she's even had to testify in front of congress against big Pharma many times, getting people off murder raps because she's been able to link that anti depressants were the cause. Keep this in mind (i.e. depression has always been around, and men were most likely to commit suicide more so than women I forget the percentages, however since the introduction of Prozac, Paxil, Welbutrin, Zoloft etc.. excuse my spelling you never use to see Murder + Suicides only suicides and what she explains is that anti depressants cause people to act out their fantacy's etc..). Columbine shootings, Chris Farley, Phil Hartman's wife, etc..

http://www.drugawareness.org/

Listen to her interviews on this website http://www.cincinnatihyperbarics.com/radioshows.html

1) Risks of Treating Depression with SSRIs - Interview Dr Ann Blake Tracy PhD
2) Is Mental Illness the Result of Taking SSRIs - Interview Dr Ann Blake Tracy

I've listen to pretty much all the interviews on this website, their very educational. From what I've researched, depression is a symptom of brain malnutrition, ruling out your possible thyroid and Adrenal fatigue which can cause depression as well (i.e. gut health is key, supplements such as omega's 3's fish oil, B complex, zinc, magnesium etc..). I think one of the most underated supplements is Lithium Orate, this stuff is great. Thanks ala CS for that one and others!!

This guys also kick ass!

1) Mental Illness and Developmental Disorders - Interview with Dr Bill Walsh PhD
2) Mental Illness and Violent Criminal Behavior - Interview Dr Bill Walsh PhD
3) Mental Illness Related to Bio Chemistry and Nutrition - Interview Dr Bill Walsh PhD

thanks for the comments, its confusing for sure. my therapist doesnt understand why im afraid to try the drugs, he says that most people are ok with the side effects and that is crazier for me to try the natural stuff.
but from the internet all i see is people complaning about the sides from drugs.

are the drugs really that bad?

It depends if it helps you more than hurts you. CS preaches it and I have been damaged by it. In my eyes, Big Pharma(Prescription Drugs, Western Medicine) gives you a bandaid for an untreated wound. As time goes by that wound gets worse and needs a bigger and bigger bandaid and can cause many ancillary problems.

Correcting imbalances as stated above is paramount. I had a very bad experience on a couple different pharmaceuticals that has caused lasting damage that I am trying to reverse or fix. If I knew then what I know now about herbs and health, I would not have went that route. Just my 2 cents. I say research those above and see if something natural helps first. But, by all means go with what you feel is right.

danny1,

Dr. Ann Blake Tracy. In my opinion the drugs are really that bad. Think about this, that doctors, scientists, neuro surgeons and specialists etc....don't even understand the tip of the ice berg when it comes to understanding how the brain functions (i.e. thought, feeling, pain, memories, dreams etc.). It's infinite and do you think by taking a drug, that its going to correct all the thought process and hard wiring that's contained in that infinite gray matter. Not a chance in hell!! Give the body what it needs and it will take care of repairing itself. Modern medicine's been around only a hundred years and do you think that would stand up to the human body which has had the oportunity to evolved over millions of years in perfecting and adapting to its environment? The human body is a biological species, like any other living thing on the planet, some more complex than others, but all for the most part need the basics elements to exist (i.e. sun, air, water). Take the sun which converts into vitamin D3, lack of sun is known to cause depression, SAD.

danny1 - Adding to the other's great responses I'll say a "few words" about SSRI's and other prescription drugs.
To start off, psychiatrists are the most compensated by the drug cartel. The average compensation last I checked is some 45,000 per year. If that's not enough to create a bias, I don't know what isn't.

Medical training or the non-science of psychiatry (yes, there are no real tests involved), it's not real science. All they did was get together and try to establish credibility by coming up with a Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM IV). To be frank, in my opinion it's useless. It merely is a manual on assessing traits associated with mental disorders, but does absolutely nothing to explain how to correct the problem.

Drug companies just push the poisons, and that is the extend of it, no science. Anyway, here is how an SSRI "works."
They act on blocking serotonin reuptake from your neuronal synapses. This means they merely allow your neurons to hang on to a deficient supply. In other words, it doesn't correct for a serotonin deficiency, it just keeps what little you do have remaining for longer. And when you stop taking them, often you will feel much worse.

Generally, well over half of those taking SSRI's experience withdrawal toxicity and this includes anxiety, dizziness, sleep
problems, fatigue, nausea, more depression, and others. On top of all this, SSRIs can be highly addictive and I've seen first hand just how addictive they are--it's a "perfect crime" by the pharmaceutical cartel.

I hope it's common knowledge that all those high school murders all took SSRI's, I don't know if this is generally public knowledge or not, but I have read this account so many times in the past.

SSRI's also cause hair loss because they raise prolactin levels (most of them do), and as others mentioned your libido will take a hit, additionally there are many more problems such as potential liver failure, metabolic problems, suicide and murder tendencies.

In a nutshell, as stated by the others, they only act as a band-aid by masking a deficiency. There are several totally different connections with respect to the causes of these deficiencies. What is needed is to fortify the body with the ability to make enough of the desired neurotransmitters, where it's serotonin, dopamine, PEA or others. Once the cause is determined, correcting it will encourage your body to make the neurotransmitters it actually needs.

Unfortunately in this mass marketing world, all of us become suckered into this propaganda until we believe "they" really know what they're talking about. Making matters worse, conventionally trained physicians who do not analyze other view points will believe this whole lie just as much as anyone else.

It's hard for me to give advice. I only know what worked for me. Drugs did NOT work for me, but maybe they would for you? I tired them for about 8 months.

Side effects were bad, sexual and otherwise. Very little helped me, but the blessing I told you about oddly started to create this shift. It lifted me, took some time, I received one a week and eventually it's like I was able to "witness", had some distance from the "hell", could skate through instead of being dragged under.

I'm sorry for anyone's suffering. Having tasted it, I can say first hand I don't wish serious depression on even my worst enemy...

But today I feel lucky because I'm not suffering at all and I guess I could say..."blessed"

weird, i know...

Once again CS with yet another hands down great response. This kind of stuff really strikes a nerve with me, espescially when you think of all the deaths surrounding SSRI's. I could write forever on this stuff. It's absolutely incredible how many psychiatrists and doctors prescribe this crap. I mean a guy breaks up with his grilfriend and they want to prescribe him or her an anti depressant medication. Even children are prescribed this stuff, how do these Professional's sleep at night is beyond my comprehension, especially if they have children of their own. Not to mention Ritalen and all the other ADD / ADHD similar stuff. Not to get off topic, but the amount of resistance that I've faced from just keeping my 1 year old son from being vaccinated is incredible. I feel like I'm alone, people look at you like your retarded and that's when you really begin to see how deeply brainwashed people really are. You actually start second guessing yourself and that's when I know I made the right decision. I've always thought that when the cattle (i.e. sheep) flocks to one area this is a sign of mass manipulation 99% of the time and you best go in the opposite direction. Marketing is made to appeal to the masses.

thanks folks, i knew this topic would bring some passinate posts against the drugs.
on the other hand, im having trouble getting out and living, im doing the minimum of what i need to do for work, and caging myself in my place, not very smart i know.
its hard to stick to a natural pill, especially when there are so many diifferent suggestions. bacopa, vs, st john, vs, 5htp, vs. ecacva,,,i dont know
i wll also say that dont think my therapist is 100 percent pro drugs, he is not pusging them on me, but i beieve that he believes they have a beter chance vs. the natural stuff, in his experience. he is really succeessful so i dont think he would knowingly stir me in something he doesnt believe in..
let me ask this---if i feel i have to try a drug, a ssri or a snri....any thoughts on which one is the least damaging to one's system?
i tried remeron for 3 days, but the appetitie increase that comes with it was very uncomfortable..but its supposed to have less sexual side effects...
thanks for everyone's input..

danny1 - I've got a section here on adrenal fatigue and its connection with depression.

http://www.immortalhair.org/physiology.htm

If the HPTA is balanced using iodine and glandulars your body can help balance its neurotransmitters.

I agree with rossman, drugs are not the answer.

I would suggest experimenting with a few natural serotonin boosters and then checking into adrenal problems.

I stumbled on your forum after doing a search for the new shampoo Zenagen. http://zenagen.com

Not sure what the random depression discussion relates to (too ADD to read the long posts) but thought I would give you my take on it. The product is brand new and they don't list their ingredients online however I was able to contact them and they extensively explained the reasoning and it is legit, and they will be posting the ingredients sometime in the near future, as soon as they get the go ahead to do so. Zenagen is a seriously interesting product and it has way more innovative ingredients than saw palmetto. I am a pretty skeptical guy but this stuff works pretty nicely. I haven't used some of hair loss products most of you have (in fact I haven't ever tried minoxidil etc..), but I do care about losing my hair and Zenagen has noticeably has stopped my hair loss and my scalp feels alot stronger (as weird as it is to say, it is true). I just reordered and have probably another 3 works left in my bottle but I like the product enough and have been happy.

Zenagen is a seriously interesting product and it has way more innovative ingredients than saw palmetto.

Like what? I for one will not spend $50 for some shampoo that I don't even know the ingredients of. I'm also pretty sure most of the people here would do the same. I'm always open to trying a new shampoo but I would have to know what I am getting. Plus I try to stay away from SLS based shampoos.

he's a marketer. the only honest thing may be that he found this forum after a search for zenagen. ask yourself: if he uses it and is happy, why is he googling it. he then sees it mentioned on the forum and joins this forum because he is compelled to provide a testimonial, his one and only testimonial. So fucking obvious.

Zenagen is a desperate company looking to hook a few suckers. The Web site reveals all. just look at the retarded photo of the lab. A truly laughable Web-site. All marketing, Zero Substance.

Gibson - I think your description of Zenagen was totally spot on, especially when I clicked on the "science" section.

Anyone need a good laugh check it out!