Growth hormone

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-23932577

Immortal and others, what supplements can we take to help release growth hormone when we sleep as adults rather than just young adults.

I know weights help.

M

Well there's the amino acids arginine and orthinine. Those work in high doses on an empty stomach.
l-dopa mucuna pruriens extract is also reported to have HGH boosting properties.

Ecklonia Cava increases hgh through increased insulin sensitivity and by stimulating brain waves (CS might be able to elaborate on this).

Anything that lowers insulin will help boost growth hormone as these two hormones have an inverse relationship.

And as you said weight will help but only compound exercises such as squats and deadlifts will help with HGH. Sprints are also really good.

I would second the ornithine and arginine AKG. Some evidence has shown that glutamine and glycine added to the combination creates some synergy.

Probably one of the most effective ways to boost human growth hormone as an adult is with intermittent periods of fasting. Growth hormone, aside from its growth promoting properties during puberty and adolescence, is a stress hormone. You'll increase its levels with phsiological stresses like intense exercise (especially in a fasted state) or through caloric insufficiency. That said, I wouldn't ever advise anyone to go overboard with those kind of tactics. Sometimes you can do more harm than any good you bring about. But you've been around the block here a while Mastery, you know that.

AS54 wrote:I would second the ornithine and arginine AKG. Some evidence has shown that glutamine and glycine added to the combination creates some synergy.

Probably one of the most effective ways to boost human growth hormone as an adult is with intermittent periods of fasting. Growth hormone, aside from its growth promoting properties during puberty and adolescence, is a stress hormone. You'll increase its levels with phsiological stresses like intense exercise (especially in a fasted state) or through caloric insufficiency. That said, I wouldn't ever advise anyone to go overboard with those kind of tactics. Sometimes you can do more harm than any good you bring about. But you've been around the block here a while Mastery, you know that.

Growth hormone is a stress hormone? I'm not so sure about that. It's actually quite anabolic. It repairs damage and promotes growth. HGH actually has a suppressive effect on cortisol which is the catabolic stress hormone. The reason fasting increases HGH is because fasting lowers insulin.

If by stress hormone, you mean the body makes more of it in response to stress, well yeah that's right. Intense exercise causes tears in the muscle and the body releases HGH to help repair it. I wouldn't call it a stress hormone though as those hormones are catabolic.

Just find a reliable supplier for HGH inject it and you don't have to worry about boosting it endogenously.

chuck norris is a lie

The best/safest way to boost GH and/or IGF-1 is to take bovine colostrum. The reason is that unlike recombinant growth hormone, which contains only two analogs of IGF-1, bovine colostrum contains the entire IGF-1 superfamily. That also means no negative side-effects.

Moreover, bovine colostrum boosts the health of the thymus gland...,which is very useful for those with gut problems and autoimmune hair loss.

Niacin on an empty stomach [in absence of lipids]

Secretagogues in the form of amino acids on an empty stomach (glycine, lysine, glutamine, arginine, ornithine, GABA, tyrosine etc.) including MSM.

Alpha GPC 1gram daily, again on an empty stomach.

No need to repeat what CS wrote about bovine colostrum, it's amazing stuff. The number one supplement for autoimmune issues.

IMO, every other colostrum pales in comparison to the liposomal form. Sovereign Laboratories actually certifies their colostrum to contain a standardized: 1.75% lactoferrin, 3.25% IgA, 3-5% PRP, 3.3-4.9 ng/gm growth factors
http://www.sovereignlaboratories.com/info_LDMIRACLEFOOD.html

Fasting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/pdf/jcinvest00482-0014.pdf

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-04/imc-sfr033111.php

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/

I'd be fasting intermittently, giving yourself a six hour feeding window after your workout and fasting the remainder of the day. If that isn't your cup of tea, a 24 hour fast once or twice a week would probably be sufficient ala eat-stop-eat fashion. Besides that taking bovine colostrum, arginine, glutamine, glycine, and ornithine as a combination at night prior to bed is about as good as its going to get without going the injection route. And if the latter is the route you are going to take, I'd suggest you do a shit load of research first and find a mentor if possible who knows what they're doing. That can get dangerous quickly. Not to mention your wallet will be a lot lighter if you are sourcing the quality stuff.

At the end of the day, I'm not convinced that growth hormone is the key to youth and longevity anyway after a certain threshold. I think its pretty achievable to maintain good levels through lifestyle/dietary (including aminos) means. A lot of it is timing your carbohydrate intake throughout the day. Remember, GH is a stress hormone. When the body has a steady stream of carbohydrate throughout the day, you're going to suppress GH. Its easy to see you have an opportunity cost here, because trying to optimize growth hormone through diet is always going to come with a tradeoff to the adrenals.

Steve T, that 1st/3rd study you posted was pretty interesting. I wasn't aware there was that much of an increase. Not only was the 24 hr total level of GH higher, but the pulses were more frequent and bigger in amplitude. Pretty insane.

Steven_Tyler wrote:Fasting

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/pdf/jcinvest00482-0014.pdf

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-04/imc-sfr033111.php

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC329619/

If that is a picture of you, impressively ripped - hence, whatever you say is fine by me...

M

Fasting along with certain aminos, vitamins, minerals and growth factors is definitely the key to increasing growth hormone.

Here's an example with niacin only...



Another good way to increase GH is bone broth or hydrolyzed protein. Obviously drinking whey protein after highly intense exercise is another way of increasing GH. For the record, I personally wouldn't mess with L-dopa, tyrosine is far safer.

GABA may also increase the secretion of GH

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7376786

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7419665

I think the best alternative would be fasting (1x week and IF) or apply Somatropin, 2UI p/day is ok, large doses will only deform your body (Hands, Face, ...)

Not to mention the internal organs and viscera...you can spot any pro bodybuilder with GH gut. But yeah, 2 IUs is probably safe. The problem is finding a quality source. The china manufacturers are a crap shoot.

Although that Zyzz jawline is evidence it can be a plus in certain aspects. But then again, his heart did just quit beating and he was what, 22-23? No idea what doses he was using though, either the GH or the other gear. I read one report he was going really overboard on tren.

The Benefits of HGH Without the Cost or Side Effects By Dr. Robert Rowen, MD
http://chiropractic92106.com/the-benefits-of-hgh-without-the-cost-or-side-effects-by-dr-robert-rowen-md/

I am interested in Bovine Colostrum (BC), but find mixed reviews about its impact on hair... basically in autoimmune instances, BC is good, but maybe not if that isn't your kind of hair loss... Also, isn't raising IGF-1 asking for a shed?

Found this guy who sells BC in shampoo form
http://www.synertekcolostrum.com/index.php/hair-regrowth-shampoo/

Is Colostrum effective as a topical?

Steven_Tyler wrote:GABA may also increase the secretion of GH

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7376786

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7419665

I think the best alternative would be fasting (1x week and IF) or apply Somatropin, 2UI p/day is ok, large doses will only deform your body (Hands, Face, ...)

 

Your not really trying to use a pic Zyzz as yourself are you?  

Haha. I don't think that's the case Longshanks. Zyzz is only a celebrity in a certain circle, but still pretty dangerous to try to fake on an online forum. If anything I'd say its his avatar simply because Zyzz pretty much nailed aesthetic musculature. In a lot of ways the guy was kind of a dick, but he's pretty inspirational in a lot of ways too. If I was going to make him my avatar, that would be the reason why. Or just to subtly signal my interest in bodybuilding.

Anyhow, congrats brotha you are pretty jacked. I'm interested in your program and what your diet looks like (foods, daily cals, macros). If you get a sec, PM me or somethin' and give me a little insight.

Longshanks wrote:

Steven_Tyler wrote:GABA may also increase the secretion of GH

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7376786

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7419665

I think the best alternative would be fasting (1x week and IF) or apply Somatropin, 2UI p/day is ok, large doses will only deform your body (Hands, Face, ...)

 

Your not really trying to use a pic Zyzz as yourself are you?  

lol as AS54 spoke Zyzz is an inspiration to many people, if you have any trouble using their avatar please CS delete my user

Yea Zyzz had an ideal physique I just hate the fact that he had to juice to get there. I've tried different OTC pro-hormones but every one that has given results has also caused me to lose hair so I've never stuck with one for long. How he managed to keep that hair while using wish I knew, some guys just don't experience the side effects like others I guess.

LS,

Same thing here. My physical fitness has gone wayward as of late, but back when I was in the zone I was trying several different things. I had the same experience. Yet, my younger twin brothers both experimented and never lost a hair. We're cut from the same cloth so there is some underlying susceptibility to the androgens. Our hair seems to show a stronger apoptotic response to the androgens as opposed to others. Maybe thats a function of receptor number or a tendency of the mitochondria/cytochrome C. Either way, its a shitty card to get dealt but you've gotta work with what cha got.

I here ya, every once in a while I'll still experiment with one, but the best results i've gotten and that have really help build my physique is strongman's 5*5, and intermediate fasting . I eat horribly, carne asada fries and chocolate are my weakness, my wife makes healthy food but I snack pretty bad. As far as my hair I've mentioned before that giving up coffee and masturbation has had huge benefits. I still have a cup every now and then but my head gets tingily and when I run my hands threw it I get a couple loose ones, sucks because I love it. The other was not as hard to give up as I thought. I got really sick one year, and diiddnt watch adult material of any sort for about a month, never went back. Fell better ever since, more energy, better outlook, etc. I have strong recession but I can cover up fairly easily, unless the wind blows, I'm screwed, but I carry a hat sometimes for that .

Thanks man. I don't mean to beat a dead horse and keep buggin' you, but I'm just curious. Your body fat levels look pretty low in that pic. Have you always just naturally been someone who had low body fat despite diet? Its frustrating because I can eat a diet some average joe would call healthy and still favor putting fat on. At the points I've gotten my body fat low its taken a ridiculous amount of nitpicking and discipline. I hate that. Besides your 5x5 program, do you incorporate any cardio and if so what does that look like?

AS54 wrote:Thanks man. I don't mean to beat a dead horse and keep buggin' you, but I'm just curious. Your body fat levels look pretty low in that pic. Have you always just naturally been someone who had low body fat despite diet? Its frustrating because I can eat a diet some average joe would call healthy and still favor putting fat on. At the points I've gotten my body fat low its taken a ridiculous amount of nitpicking and discipline. I hate that. Besides your 5x5 program, do you incorporate any cardio and if so what does that look like?

Kinda, at least up until I turned 30, I'm 35 now, same when I took that avi pic, I never watched what I ate too much, just made sure I stopped eating around sunset what has helped the most though has been sprinting, which is said to boost growth hormone naturally, just got a dog and he loves to sprint so it helps to stick with it. I hate cardio, but like sprinting also vacumming, its an ab excersise just google it has really helped, also the guy that changed my workout mindset Vince Gironda. I like the old school guys. Just keep with the basics it will take time, I see to many guys that have taken short cuts that I've lifted throughout the years with that are paying for it now. Sure they got much bigger than me, but they look like hell now, big gut, always winded, bad hair loss, not worth it. Not that I'm by any means ideal, I've been to spastic in my workouts, if I stuck with it I know I could've achieved better results but thats okay, still hitting it bout 3 times a week

4039 wrote:
IMO, every other colostrum pales in comparison to the liposomal form. Sovereign Laboratories actually certifies their colostrum to contain a standardized: 1.75% lactoferrin, 3.25% IgA, 3-5% PRP, 3.3-4.9 ng/gm growth factors
http://www.sovereignlaboratories.com/info_LDMIRACLEFOOD.html

Would you happen to know if this product is the so-called '6-hour' colostrum?
I couldn't find anything about the six hour thing on their website.