Ketoconazole

CS - What's your opinion on kecoconazole? I was thinking of maybe adding some to a non-SLS shampoo like Aubrey's. I stopped using Nizoral a while back because of the SLS, but kecoconazole has supposedly shown to be as effective as topical minoxidil in fighting hair loss. Are there any sides associated with topical use of kecoconazole that you know of? Apparently, it's lipophilic, but is this only when ingested, or is there a transdermal effect as well?

NewReg - Well, Nizoral actually is Ketoconazole. When Lithium was compared to Ketoconazole, Lithium outperformed it with respect to seborrheic dermatitis.

CausticSymmetry wrote:NewReg - Well, Nizoral actually is Ketoconazole. When Lithium was compared to Ketoconazole, Lithium outperformed it with respect to seborrheic dermatitis.

I didn't know that. Are you combining the lithium and the potassium chloride at the same time, or are you doing them during separate applications?

If you decide to use a keto shampoo, get this one:

http://www.perrigo.com/product/catalog/product_detail.aspx?id=36&prodid=154&seachproducts=K

Keto itself isn't harsh, but there are other ingredients in Nizoral that make it a harsh detergent/type shampoo.

Personally, i use the one I mentioned daily; it is about as harsh on the scalp as baby shampoo. Keto as an ingredient alone is fairly benign IMO.

Obviously, I think the shampoo i mentioned is quite good, which is why I use it daily.

NewReg - I have massaged in Potassium chloride with and without Lithium shampoo.

Doesn't seem to matter, since it absorbs immediately upon pressing it in.

CausticSymmetry wrote:NewReg - I have massaged in Potassium chloride with and without Lithium shampoo.

Doesn't seem to matter, since it absorbs immediately upon pressing it in.

But using both could be beneficial since they serve two different purposes, right? Lithium for reduced sebum/DHT and Potassium Chloride for opening up potassium channels.

Gibson wrote:If you decide to use a keto shampoo, get this one:

http://www.perrigo.com/product/catalog/product_detail.aspx?id=36&prodid=154&seachproducts=K

Keto itself isn't harsh, but there are other ingredients in Nizoral that make it a harsh detergent/type shampoo.

Personally, i use the one I mentioned daily; it is about as harsh on the scalp as baby shampoo. Keto as an ingredient alone is fairly benign IMO.

Obviously, I think the shampoo i mentioned is quite good, which is why I use it daily.

I couldn't find an ingredients listing, but it says it's generic to Nizoral. So, is it the exact same stuff. Does it contain SLS? Also, is it only available through prescription? Couldn't find any resellers.

RX only. Here's a link to a pdf with complete ingredients. As mentioned, it is different from Nizoral, which irritated my scalp. This is mild enough to use daily.

http://www.perrigo.com/uploadedFiles/Rx/products/K/45802-465%E2%80%93PI.pdf

Anyone ever tried Revita? http://www.divineskin.com/revita/faq.asp

I found some reviews from people who were sensitive to Nizoral saying that this worked well for them. No SLS, but apparently has a very high caffeine concentration. I'm hyper-sensitive to caffeine so I need to be careful.

I am going to revise what I said about the keto product: yes, it is much milder than Nizoral; however, it is not fit for daily use.

I've experienced a sea change, an epiphany of sorts. it occurred to me that essential oils are probably all I need. Lavender is just the tip of the iceberg. Currently, cederwood seems better and it actually makes your hair healthier, like a top-notch conditioner. Germanium first thing in the morning then washed out seems invigorating enough. Thyme is way too strong and is a well-researched anti-fungal, anti-bacterial agent--you can look up which strains of fungi/bacteria it kills. I'm waiting to get my hands on bay leaf which is supposedly really good.

I realised that a person I do yoga with who uses aromatherapy has not only re-grown hair, but now has really good hair. I can't confirm what he is doing, but it seems likely enough that he also uses them on his scalp.

Hi Gibson,

Did you buy Perrigo online, and if so on which website? I also found Nizoral to strong as a shampoo.

Thanks,

VDA.

keto is in the nizoral shampoo and cream
Nizoral is really intended as an anti fungal agent, that is why it works well on dandruff

it is not recommended to use it daily, either cream or shampoo
the shampoo i found very harsh
it contains hydrochloric acid, great for dandruff but dried my scalp and i felt it scoured my scalp of hairs

i had a huge shed on the niz cream and was using it daily, not recommended
i got scared to death, so paper thin was my hair, and see through so i stopped after 4 months

however it all regrew and it regrew way thicker than before i started but i still got so freaked out by the shed i am hesitant to restart it

I'm sure I read something about keto being damaging to the liver if taken orally but doubt this would be so much an issue with the shampoo. Sometime last year when I was in a desperate state about my hair I used it every day for a couple of weeks but wouldn't recommend this as it leaves hair bone dry and rather like straw. Its harsh stuff. But it is good, my follicles are as thick as they've ever been right now. I only use it three times a week and other days its either Body Shop Ginger Shampoo or an Aloe Verashampoo that are much kinder to the noggin.

I'd like to try the cream - I'm going to Spain in a few days so will try pick it up there (I think its available OTC in chemists in Europe). The reults in that Japanese study were impressive. Might dab a bit on the temples.

If you have trouble with the shampoo drying your hair, use the cream instead, 2 percent

vade retro alopecia wrote:Hi Gibson,

Did you buy Perrigo online, and if so on which website? I also found Nizoral to strong as a shampoo.

Thanks,

VDA.

Hey Vade,
I get mine from a local drug store. I stumbled upon it randomly, as my Dr. just happened to prescribe the generic, unless he was the wiser, which I am actually inclined to believe since he has thoroughly supported any oddball script I have asked for, for the purpose of hair--I think he has some experience in the area.

It is as harsh as any other SLS shampoo, not like a drying dandruff shampoo (and I had tried Nizoral).

That said, Keto, at best, is a weak positive (I've used the cream as well). I wouldn't get to crazy trying to get a hold of it. Personally, If I had to chose one, I would chose the shampoo. Based on my experience, it wouldn't be ethical for me to hype it.

I apply 4-5 drops of emu oil to my nizoral application (every 3 days), this drastically reduces the harshness...

there is also some talk that emu oil can increase the effectiveness of nizoral as well as having it's own hair growth properties.

commando--if you are using the shampoo, know that "the harshness" is entirely separate from the active (keto) you seek. So you are repairing your scalp because of a harsh shampoo. That said, emu oil is supposedly, anti-inflammatory and anti DHT. But this is all very old school and of minimal benefit. Personally, I think peppermint oil trumps both, but with the possibility of sides.

Should we be concerned about the antiandrogen effects of keto? I ask because when I first started using it I wanted to try to lower my testosterone and overall androgens, but now I understand that while lowering DHT to a modest extent is often beneficial, lowering testosterone is not really something I am trying to do.

On my regimen page I am trying to put together a natural herbal alternative to ketoconazole with anti-DHT but not full antiandrogen properties, and focusing of course on anti-inflammatory, antifungal and antibacterial properties. What do you guys think of that approach and the anti-testosterone effect of keto?

i am mixing keto with Kirkland minoxidil.

what are your sources for keto?

thanks!

Gibson wrote:If you decide to use a keto shampoo, get this one:

http://www.perrigo.com/product/catalog/product_detail.aspx?id=36&prodid=154&seachproducts=K

Keto itself isn't harsh, but there are other ingredients in Nizoral that make it a harsh detergent/type shampoo.

Personally, i use the one I mentioned daily; it is about as harsh on the scalp as baby shampoo. Keto as an ingredient alone is fairly benign IMO.

Obviously, I think the shampoo i mentioned is quite good, which is why I use it daily.

Where can this be purchased in the UK?

magic_gro wrote:i am mixing keto with Kirkland minoxidil.

what are your sources for keto?

thanks!

Oh erm, I believe United Pharmacy has ketoconazole tablets.

And yeah like, regenepure is my choice of keto shampoo, but obv that's not pure so you couldn't mix it with anything!

I have been looking at the Regenepure shampoo, does anyone know how much Keto is in it??

Im currently using Niz 2%, seems fine on the scalp, though my bottle is nearly done, and im thinking about ordering Regenepure DR, but will this compare to Niz 2 with Keto levels???

Probably lower, maybe half, but then it has aloe vera and saw palmetto and stuff in it too. I'm thinking of just mixing my own keto equivalent though. CS is saying lithium orotate and DMSO, I'll give them a look but I'm feeling kinda drawn to herbs!

I might do saw palmetto + tea tree + olive leaf extract + aloe vera in Aubrey Organics Ginseng Biotin Shampoo or something similar

I might eventually work up to lithium and DMSO when I feel a bit more confident!

As far as I can tell a good antifungal, antibacterial, anti-inflammatory and anti-dht mix SHOULD emulate keto, shouldn't it?

I wonder if keto does anything else smart that I'd be missing o.O

beware... don't add dmso to a shampoo in a plastic bottle... move it into a glass one first... else dmso will eat up some of the plastic and transfer it into your skin!!!

haha, is it really that strong?

Oh and would something along these lines form a good natural equivalent to keto? http://trustnature.com/store/seborrheic-dermatitis-oil.html

I know I should probably just go for lithium and DMSO, I guess I'm just taking it slow and safe for now!

The only thing I'm cautious of is the lavender, as I don't want to lower my testosterone... o.O

hmm, I wonder if the difference would be negligible anyway.