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Post  a<r Sun Oct 30, 2011 10:22 pm

Gut flora consists of microorganisms that live in the digestive tracts and is the largest reservoir of human flora. The human body, consists of about 100 trillion cells, carries about ten times as many microorganisms in the intestines. The metabolic activities performed by these bacteria resemble those of an organ. It is estimated that these gut flora have around 100 times as many genes as there are in the human genome.

Bacteria make up most of the flora in the colon and up to 60% of the dry mass of feces, between 300 and 1000 different species live in the gut. The microorganisms perform a host of useful functions, such as fermenting unused energy substrates, training the immune system, preventing growth of harmful, pathogenic bacteria, regulating the development of the gut, producing vitamins for the host (such as biotin and vitamin K), and producing hormones to direct the host to store fats. However, in certain conditions, some species are thought to be capable of causing disease by producing infection or increasing cancer risk for the host.

Multiple Sclerosis
Multiple Sclerosis (MS) is an inflammatory disease in which the fatty myelin sheaths around the axons of the brain and spinal cord are damaged, leading to demyelination and scarring as well as a broad spectrum of signs and symptoms. Disease onset usually occurs in young adults, and it is more common in women. MS affects the ability of nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord to communicate with each other effectively. Most likely MS occurs as a result of some combination of genetic, environmental and infectious factors, and possibly other factors like vascular problems.

MS is triggered by friendly bacteria residing in the gut
Researchers at the Max Planck Institute of Neurobiology in Munich, Germany have found an astonishing evidence that suggests MS is triggered by natural intestinal flora, the so-called friendly bacteria that reside in the gut. They say the bacteria first activated the immune T-cells, then the B-cells, which resulted in an attack on the myelin layer in the brain, developing brain inflammation similar to MS. MS is an autoimmune disorder where the body’s own immune system attacks and damages the myelin sheath that insulates the axons which are like the “cabling” that connects nerve cells or neurons to one another.

They discovered this by allowing some of the genetically modified mice to continue with their normal gut bacteria intact, while removing the intestinal flora in the others and keeping them under sterile conditions.The mice that kept their gut bacteria developed MS-like symptoms.

But the mice that had their gut bacteria removed remained healthy, despite their genetic predisposition to MS. They also had fewer T-cells in their gut, their spleens produced fewer inflammatory substances like cytokines, and their B-cells produced few if any antibodies against myelin.

However, when they then inoculated these mice with normal gut flora, their T-cells and B-cells increased, as did their cytokine and antibody production, and they eventually developed symptoms and fell ill.

Senior researcher, Gurumoorthy Krishnamoorthy told, “It appears that the immune system is activated in two stages: to begin, the T cells in the lymph vessels of the intestinal tract become active and proliferate. Together with the surface proteins of the myelin layer, these then stimulate the B cells to form pathogenic antibodies. Both processes trigger inflammatory reactions in the brain which progressively destroy the myelin layer – a process that is very similar to the way multiple sclerosis develops in humans.”

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Post  ubraj Mon Oct 31, 2011 6:35 am

Good interesting study. Thanks for posting.

Right off the bat I'm reminded of horizontal gene transfer. Not to mention lowered immune function how it will be like trading symptoms from one ailment to another. But with horizontal gene transfer the pathogens can make the good bacteria become neutral, the neutral bacteria become pathogenic and the pathogenic bacteria become more pathogenic.

And that the longer one has these pathogens in their body, the more the horizontal gene transfer takes place. Borrelia is a well known giving off lots of plasmids. In other words, the longer one has a pathogen for and the more plasmids it gives off, the more likely it is for one to develop a chronic condition. Not to mention those who don't have symptoms even though they have X pathogens takes a smaller and smaller trigger to develop X ailment. An autoimmune ailment. For example, the HPV vaccine being a trigger to develop lyme disease.

Besides the damage that was done previously, I think this horizontal gene transfer is what holds many back from a reversal of symptoms... or at least partly explained by.

I think this is why they use to mention chronic syphillis could not be reversed. Syphillis being the previous version of lyme disease in that both are spirochetes.

My current research beyond immune suppression would be to block quorum sensing... "I'm guessing." Quorum sensing is what pathogens wait for before going on a march as one researcher said. Block the quorum sensing and the pathogens will sit idle by so to speak. I have a hunch and I'm "only guessing" that the Miswak toothbrush used twice a day may help as well multiwave oscillators. Garlic has been shown to block quorum sensing though.

Anyhow, here are some quotes that I typed out from the book The Silent Saboteur regarding horizontal gene transfer.





"...bacteria can insert genetic material into the cytoplasm and from there potentially into the nucleus of other pathogenic microbes, thus, in some instances, into the genome of their host's cells. They often do this while in the form of plasmids (tiny circular molecules of DNA) that can replicate independently of a particular bacterium's own DNA. For example, researchers at the Cancer Research Institute in Slovakia analyzed the bacterial DNA isolated from the intestinal tract of 11 American and 30 Slovak patients with HIV/AIDS. They found that the genes within the intestinal bacteria were more than 90% homologous (similar in structure) to the corresponding sequence in human immunodeficiency virus (HIV)--suggesting that the gut bacteria from these individuals had acquired a significant amount of genetic material from the HIV virus that had previously infected the bacteria and their host.


"This transfer of DNA among various micro-organisms means that once-harmless microbes can acquire more sinister properties; that is, they could acquire the potential to do damage, resist treatment, or evade body defenses and thus persist to cause significant problems for the host."



"...When this occurs, people have a very hard time keeping other pathogens under control. They often find that childhood viral infections reactivate, or that they acquire candida (pathogenic yeast) and mycoplasma (bacteria without a cell wall) as well."

""The longer they have persisted in the host, the more opportunity for horizontal gene transfers," meaning that the bacteria which are hardest to kill have more chances to pass on their trouble-causing genetic information in a variety of ways. Clearly, this process accounts for a means by which bacterial organisms not only acquire help from other bacteria that enables them to persist and evade the immune system, but also gain important genetic capabilities leading to advantage in attaining increased evolutionary longevity."

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Post  imprisoned-radical Mon Oct 31, 2011 9:34 am


Molecular mimicry is a possible explanation for autoimmune side effects of microorganism infections. Protein sequences from a particular microorganism are compared to known autoimmune immunogens. For diseases such as multiple sclerosis (MS), where the infectious agent is unknown, guesses to its identity are made. Mimics are assumed to be rare. This study takes a radically different approach. Reported sequences from all known human bacterial and viral agents were searched for autoimmune immunogen mimics. Three encephalitogenic peptides, whose autoimmune requirements have been studied extensively, were selected for comparison. Mimics were seen in a wide variety of organisms. For each immunogen, the mimics were found predominantly in nonpathogenic gut bacteria. Since the three immunogens used in this study are related to MS, it is suggested that a microorganism responsible for autoimmune activity in MS could be a normally occurring gut bacterium. This would explain many of the peculiar MS epidemiological data and why no infective agent has been identified for MS and supports recently found MS gut metabolism abnormalities.

Really interesting. Unfortunately this complicates things. This shows that even non-pathogenic bacteria can cause auto-immune conditions like MS.

I wonder if molecular mimicry plays a role in the pathogenesis of MPB.

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Post  a<r Mon Oct 31, 2011 10:25 am

jdp will reply once I have the time, as what you mentioned is something that is vastly, vastly unrecognized, there's such little knowledge on how this affects us.

I-R, in terms of the bacteria in the gut it seems to be a ratios game, the Good Bacteria are the sherrifs so to speak, in the wild west, if the outlaws get too many or too virulent, well the law enforcement (especially one that might be stressed to the limit due to staff cuts) are going to fire off some "guns" and there will be damage. Jdp has said it before but it should be said again and again, disease in most cases seems to be the end result of the crossfire between our bodies and bacteria, the bad guy isn't inflammation or the damage caused by it, it's natural and necessary, without it we'd have devolved into fuck knows what.

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Post  lambyjay Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:39 am

it would be intersting to see the life spans of the mice in this study.

Can immune suppression actaully extend ones life?
In that case there might be a case for immunosuppressive supps/drugs if they allow you to live longer and sympton free? (not that i advocate them)

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Post  a<r Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:56 am

lambyjay wrote:

Can immune suppression actaully extend ones life?

Yes, but at great, and strange cost.

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